Made a new video covering a lot of things discovered in these forums:
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Combos, frame-traps, option-selects, U2 setups and other. As an added plus, I found out that Rose can actually do 691 damage 
Thanks for making a video of the U2 setups I kindly asked people not to make a video for. :T Iāll keep the setups/research on them amongst a few people from now on.
Thereās a reason why I donāt post any of my tech against otherwise BAD MATCHUPS and I only give them to a few people.
That video is not appreciated.
And now Iāll make sure to be twice as secretive with my information.
Iāll give it 2 days before it makes front page of SRK.
is it just me who has a extremely hard time landing slide-> crmp even when from max range? any help lol?
You are only as strong as the opponents you play. If you play against opponents who donāt know your little tricks, then they are weak. How long could you keep winning anyway after playing a few matches?
I find it funny that some of you still think this old-fashioned way. Itās been said that the Japanese are a lot stronger just because they donāt hold back information (see Mago training Fuudo for example). Why would you try to keep the illusion alive of being the better player just because you were more secretive?
Iām sure youāll find more u2 setups to privately practice as if it were black magic.
A player is weak for not knowing specific U2 setups only known by a few Rose players and the people they play against frequently? Okay. You also really think that someone would be able to download and figure out a way to get out of the mixup within the span of a single tournament match? As opposed to seeing a video of it and going into training mode with it for 5 minutes before you run into a Rose player who uses them, or finding out about it through someone else who did that? I donāt even use the setups in casuals unless itās against a friend, so no skin off my back if said friend finds out how to deal with it. The setups are used to squeeze out some massive damage when you absolutely need it, not an integral part of Rose herself.
What does that even mean? I never held back information. I shared these setups and the specifics on them with the posters here to help out fellow Rose players, only asking that they not be posted on Youtube so that theyāre actually USABLE against other people, and someone goes and does it anyway. This has nothing to do with being a better player. The effectiveness of these setups goes down once someone takes it into the lab with their character, figures out a way out, and passes it on to other players. Period. Do you think Tokido ran around telling people about the TAC technology against Phoenix? These setups are different from sharing information like combos, frame traps, option selects, and genuinely ambiguous, virtually inescapable setups like the corner fake crossup. I wanted to help other Roses while keeping the risk of non-Rose players finding out about it at a low, but I guess thatās a little too much to ask for. Iāll continue sharing U2 crossups and other black magic I find with other Rose players, just in private with the ones I can trust.
Enjoy being on the front page of SRK, I guess. Helpful video otherwise.
That is difficult. At max range (perfectly meaty), on hit, youāre at +4 at best so it would be a 1-frame link. Coming from Claw I can tell you, one framers arenāt that easy to land when linking slow moves. And when you say Ā« even from max range Ā» it does implies something wrong : it is ONLY possible at perfect max range, aside from counter-hits.
But that doesnāt matter that much in fact. Most of the time you will be at lesser frame-advantage, so it wouldnāt combo anyway. Still it will counter-hit pretty much any normal the opponent could mash, so it will be an almost free cMP Spiral for you. =)
I believe that as Trike brought to us most of those setups, he has a word to say about it.
Personally, I think that info on Roseās videos would first go to Rose players. And second, that even if another character player would see the vid (even if the forums would be more informative for him) and learn some possible escapes, that would only be fair play. Itās because there are fewer unpunishable spammable ways that 2012 is better than vanilla, each attack must have a counter or an escape, thatās what makes the games fun.
At high level, a lot of players maybe spontaneously try the escapes that make more sense (like EX DP). But they arenāt Rose players, so they do not know precisely what is a setup, and what is a bait. Iāve seen countless times good players just going into suicide by EX DP-ing while I was just blocking, just by fear of the unblockable. Same for vids on Akumaās vortex for example : knowing he can cross you up with his dive wonāt guess for you if heāll dive or air-grab you.
To each his own, I guess. =)
I merely mentioned these were setups, not that these are unblockables (which I donāt actually believe to be true with the tst that I did), or how you should defend against them. Anyone will find out about these setups by just looking at a match where it is used. They donāt even have to play against you. This video wonāt help them to counter it. It is made for Rose players in the first place, so you are safe. I wasnāt making a video to make people kill Rose better, Iām well aware that they are capable enough to do that already.
Furhermore, I just watch videos read these forums and remember stuff, sometimes write them down in a flat textfile to take into training later. When I made this video, I had no idea anymore of any patented moves 
Whether theyāre unblockable or escapable or not is character specific. One of the setups is unblockable on Rose, but thereās a way out of it. I just wanted to keep the setupsā¦ not completely out in the open like a video that might end up on SRKās front page. I realize that said setups are used in Keshikaran/Bard/unaās uploaded matches, but hardly any other Rose players outside of Japan knew about them, letalone non-Rose players. Hell, it took MONTHS for someone to post Keshikaranās focus U2 reset, and he was using it obscenely often to the point where random people in ranked were catching onto it, and all he does is streams his matches. I just donāt like the idea of setups that can be dealt with through knowledge being put up on Youtube. The setups are pretty noticeable and easy to just block the other way if you know whatās going on.
I didnāt make any of the setups I posted except for one, so I canāt demand you to take the video down, of course (Not that I could even if I did, really.), but Iām just going to keep everything I find through Keshi/Bard/unaās streams and the tests I do on them to myself and a few other people from now on. 
Well, thatās what you believe. And I find that to be an ancient view on gaming.
This is 2012, information is everywhere. The skill is to distill it and apply it correctly. This is not the time that finding out how to do a SRK would win you matches for ages.
I do appreciate your information. Good luck with keeping it all secret If any of your setups are amazing enough to win high-level matches, it wonāt take long before somebody researches and documents it. Isnāt that how he found out most of our information in SF4 anyway?
ah so this what you were on about on twitter. Once uni year is over i can start practicing again
Seriously? Youāre on a forum devoted solely to sharing information about Rose setups/matchups/strategies. You guys are also bitching about a video that can help make all Rose players better?:tdown:
Keshikaran was winning high level matches (On and offline tournaments) with this stuff and no one put time into researching/posting them for the English Rose community that canāt watch his streams except for me, so whatever. I wanted to help out as many Rose players as I could without it being on the front page. My sole request was that no one made any sort of video elaborating on it, and itās pretty frustrating that someone went and did it anyway for whatever reason, but I shouldāve expected it. Itās whatever. Iām not obligated to do this stuff anyway. Someone else can buy a premium Nicovideo account, weed through Keshikaran/unaās timeshifts, find setups, translate their explanations (For things like non-U2 unblockable setups, which I was going to post next), and test them on every character to post them here, if itās really as easy as you claim it to be. Iām done arguing about this.
Donāt waste your time Trike.
Itās not like Acku knows how to do setups anyway.
I mean, he obviously shows 0 knowledge of how it works because they do not work on Balrog.
So obviously, he just did it because he wanted to make the ācompilation for the Rose playersā. Maybe because he wants to be known for something and he canāt get it through his play?
I donāt know his incentive for doing so, because it neither does positive for showing how to unsuccessfully doing the setups.
While you guys take oneās setups and put them on video even on a character it doesnāt work it on and even if he specifically told you NOT TO DO IT, it just gives another reason not to share my tech against dive kicks.
So good job Acku; you just gave us more of a reason not to trust the Rose forum.
NOTE: That it is fair game to the few that actually feel that Rose needs to be looked into and looks into the Rose forum or finds ways to beat the safe set up otherwise. But now we know not to share any ambiguous setups with you guys, or tech that will help out in matches.
You have to know that tournaments are 2/3 matches. Solid play + the occasional pseudo unblockable never hurt anyone. But if everyone in the world is informed of which way to block, (even if itās safe) we would just end up having to throw in between orbs.
Darn and I was about to ask you that =/
btw Iām soon finished with university. Up for some matches soon ?
I was not aware there was this Highly Secret Harry Potter Club that researched magic technology and kept it secret until the next Quidditch wold cup. I do find it romantic.
However, you should know, that you are posting on a completely open and public forum, with your own consent. If you are wondering how to identify this, ask yourself whether Google spiders it or not. Adding metadata to your information does not work all that well, as there is no Facebook policy such as āfriends of friendsā to constrain it. Whatever you share on the public net may be legally scanned, restructured and possibly reshared in some other form. I happen to copy-paste interesting ideas into a flat textfile, take them into training later and if I feel like it put them in a video at some time. You can imagine that your original disclaimer was not copied along the path. Your approach to information makes me think of those companies who stop people from making mash-ups on Youtube, killing creativity on their way out.
Itās funny that somebody asks me why I do this. Why did I made that enormously long Rose tutorial that wen sticky? Why did I make a Community tierlist? Why a webapp for parsing framedata and creating combos from them? I guess I like to do be an internet citizen; process information and reshare.
So thank you if you indeed were the only one ever to find these setups. And Iām sad that you would really go as far to not share anything. But Iām pretty sure you will be laughing in a few years that you ever attacked somebody over the internet because he told others about that one setups you put in a public forum, from somebody else. This is 2012. Might very well be our last year!
You should have expected it indeed. In fact, this forum being accessible in read-only to non members, it is probable that other people would have already done videos, and unlike Acku, without telling about it.
You are one of those who contributed most to the Rose community of SRK. Your work has been much appreciated. If you donāt wannāa share anymore, thatās your choice, Trike. But if you choose to share again, knowing that forums share info without conditions, Iām sure this choice would be appreciated even more. Though you would get no reward for doing soā¦ aside of a smile when seeing a non-japanese Rose use one of your setups.
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Rose, you are an experimented player. I think Iāve seen you attempt something that looked like the EX Spiral U2 setup recently. If youāve done so, then you must know that depending on your speed the orb which cross-up or do not cross-up may vary. Depending on the soul throw you chose, it may also vary. And depending on the character, it may also change. And that even if they knew everything about it (I doubt so), they canāt predict if you would or would not soul throw at the end (where all those escapes would be nailed) and which soul throw you will choose.
So even if there are escaping ways (which IMO is only fair-play), mix-ups are still here.
I will add, that when new and advanced tech is discovered about a character, it goes mostly if not only to his players. Would shotos bother about learning T.Hawk OS, or frame advantage after Clawās corpse-hop ? Why bother, top tiers naturally have advantages, they do not need to setup their strategies. And even if they do know perfectly OS and setups for their chars, would they bother to learn otherās characters ? Starting by low tiers advanced setups ?
Seriously, it is hard enought to truly master one character constantly evolving strategies to learn the same those of the rest of the cast. And would you think they would first learn those of low tiers when going into tournaments ? One example : you may know that EX Izuna can cross-up. Will you be gutsy enough to block forward in front of a Claw player at wake-up ? None has done such in tournaments, and all well timed attemps have hit.
Then itās just the same for Roseās U2 setups. Added that the second orb could beat your guard anyway, and that the mindgame of crossing up or not being entirely into the hands of the fortune-teller. =)
Last post on this, for real. Without going into whether or not Iām right for not wanting it to be on Youtube or whether or not itās actually counter-intuitive. Whether you disagree with me or not, because that argument is obviously going nowhere, here is the bottom line:
Iām not obligated to share the information I know and the tests Iāve done. I was willing to give you guys everything I know on the grounds that no one makes a video and uploads it onto Youtube. Likewise, no one is obligated to listen to me, but whether you find it ridiculous or not, those were my terms. Someone made a video anyway, so I deleted my posts and plan to keep further information to myself and a few other Rose players I trust. Thatās it.
Iām still going to post here and give my opinions on matchups/help other players/whatever else, but Iām not going to post any setups/technology that can be countered by knowledge of said setup/technology. Sorry.
Trias: You SHOULD be learning about other characters, even low tier ones. If I wasnāt a Rose main, Iād be damn sure to figure out how to deal with U2 setups if I ever got hit with one. You can only get so far by just knowing what your character to do. Knowing your opponentsā options against you is just as important. Hereās an example: DeeJay canāt OS Roseās backdash. There, matchup just got a lot better.
Iām so sad to read this argument you guys. 
sharing tech is what this forum is for and why most of us visit this forum in the first place. To level up and come up with some broken shit.
Look at the cammy forum its a ghost town dead place full of hate and animosity. And Policed by zombies who claim to be āexpertsā and keep spreading wrong info to new cammy players. Most of the cammy posters OG have left and never came back. Cammy forum is doomed.
I donāt want this to happen here too
So sad
I saw your name on newest posts and wanted to see what you were up too, and here I find you hatin on the good olā Cammy forums ;_;.