RENOCREW 2011 (Northern Nevada's Fightin Game Scene)

Chris, great ideas. I have my GameStop champion belt and wrist bands also, which I would be willing to put up. We need to figure out the trophy system, it might be fun! As far as markers go, I can make some graphics that can be printed out and used as tokens, so people can put up their token and wait their turn. And I don’t think there would be any issues with music + games, and having people going to different set-ups. Just get loud and hype as FUCK.

  • Scamp, can you give me some ideas for ranbats? I don’t really know the best way to run them. I like the gamespot’s 3S ranking system, which is similar to Tekken, I think?

And I need volunteers to be designated equipment providers. I need the following:

  • PS3s ( With both HDMI / basic AV cables!)
  • Xbox 360s ( With both HDMI / basic AV cables!)
  • Tube / Lagless LCD TVs (You can leave them here if you want, they won’t get used between sessions)

Just wanted to say thanks to Borjan, sonnywortzik, and sonny’s brothers for showing up and playing. I had a good time, and will try to have more of these in the future, hopefully at a time when my roommate is out and we can go on indefinitely.

Alright looks like we are brainstorming some good ideas, we’ll just have to experiment with some of these concepts. Well guys Happy Easter see you soon.

ok so ya im gonna chime in , im tired of lurking everyday and seeing the same shit for a year.

Most of you are going at this all wrong , Out of curiosity I went and looked at other citys threads ( Succesfull ones ) and see what they did/do every week/month, how did they establish themselves to be better than the rest as a community and none took segragation as an approach just as an FYI. And segragation is never the way to go.

When I playing CCGS at a pro level I created scenes for many games in my area in Socal which prior didnt really have one and took players who werent that good and showed them the ways to top 8’s in major events. I did it the old fashion way , I knew I was the best and had to lead by example and I never made a point of it to say it , most of them wanted my blood and even though they had to play me 1st round in tourneys they didnt complain and say its over cuz I told them its a match to match thing and the training/ knowledge will shine. Dont get me wrong within our " team " (and in fighting games/ ccgs your a team till you get into the ring , since its most like Boxing) it was Tier’d but wasnt made a point of , I knew who was best (usually me) and I knew who was next and so on. When I held gaming nights I NEVER made the bad players play against themselves and I didnt just play with the people who I felt worthy of my game. That would of made us worse as a whole which indireclty would of killed me at a indivisual level , when I played against a inferior player I would critique them on things they can do better, hell sometimes they would help me , but they always played balls out when they played the best players cuz thats all I had to teach them was give it your max effort . In the end some of the people who I could of blown out early became mini powerhouses in time.

When I was trying in SF4 and I actually tried middle of last year which is pathetic when I look at how horrible I was, I hated some of the people I met from the city which made me not wanna play at all , a great example is Jose , He came off as the biggest prick ever. Everything out of his mouth was arrogant crap and " im better " cocky talk which I hate with a passion. BUT he did something to me ( I used him as a mini example same thing people did to me in the CCG community when I played seriously) I observed him and see how can this guy be better than me , and it was fucking simple , he trained and trained hard and its paying off for him, when I would walk into the Atlantis he would be on the machine in arcade mode training BnB’s and getting them down pat , He was pretty much in training mode any time I saw him. So at that point I realized I wasnt gonna try and be in the community cuz I had nothing to give back , I didnt practice combos or matchups , I just thought I knew it all . Now thats all I do when I actually put the game in is train combos sometimes with characters I dont think ill ever use , I refuse to get online and vowed not to until Super came out, hell I wont even put SF4 in anymore and havent for well over a month ,I also did the same with playing in the community, I wont go to any get togethers until im gonna give it my all, dont get me wrong id like to meet everyone I havent yet and put a name to a face and whatnot . But ill be honest its the constant bigger dick shit that keeps me from trying , Even after this city got owned by Norcal like litterally owned on your own terf you think you would stop seeing who has the bigger dick and just unite . Its half way there but this trying to put bad players in a seperate room crap or the better players trying to make sure its known they are better that would make a new player discouraged and give up quickly and when Super comes out there will be another group of new players to join this thread / group will only lead to whats already happened …

This may all look like rambling and what not but there is a purpose to it all …

So ill break down how Reno can be a powerhouse :

  • Dont try and segragate players within the group.
  • Each player needs to set indivisual goals and vow to themselves not the group to get better, they better be doing Training mode/ Learning Matchups/ BnB’s. If not then they arent being a real team player in this city and at that point they should be told try and get better or dont bother coming.
  • Dont try and make this city a fucking WWF thing with Belts and trophys * I did change my mind on this *
  • Critque as much as you can but do it a nice manner, or even better ask the person how they want to be critiqed , some may want you to talk shit to them as that might be how they improve.
  • Who cares who has the bigger dick , Prove it when it comes to the real tourneys , not fucking training sessions.

Some other advise :
Make a new list kinda like the one on AIB a year ago with the active players from the city but not trying to fucking tier them- Infact Id almost sadly recommend a new thread ( although I think Koogy started this one and he can edit the first page ? ) to do this and the starter should be someone who had been around for a few years and activly posts . Also put everyones character of choice and , any tags, availibility etc … This is mainly for new player who wanna join in the community so they dont have to go through endless pages of crap . Also the 1st page can be used for updating the weekly get togethers and whatnot, other citys are doing this and it seems to be a good idea. Another good idea is when I did the CCG thing was I made a free website for the city which really helped out , kept everyone on the same page and it was for the city players only so we could talk about things we didnt want the other citys to know. It also had a chat box on it which was also nice. After the 6 months trial it was like 10$ a month but people would contribute and I actually got to the point where I was holding a big monthly tourney and we took the cost out of the pot which everyone liked .

After a small re-think I think the Belt system can work if done right to be honest - Back when I was playing a game called Raw Deal a CCG based on WWF I went to a special tourney that the winner got a set of the actual belts * obviously in card form * in order to grow that community I gave them up to the shop I played at and said this will be the way we see who is doing best and is getting better. I put up 3 of the belts and it worked quite well …

The Heavywieght - Was for the overall champion- Help a tourney for it at first and every week the person had to take on 1-3 challengers for it at the weekly get together, usually decided by a list , this not only brought out a A game but kept it all very entertaining. Restrictions : None anyone can try for it … You did lose it if you didnt defend it at least once every 2 weeks .

The Intercontinental - It was for the medium players who werent proven in any major or serious tournaments , this is the way you get the " Weaker Players " to bring it, if someone retained it for more than a month or won 10 staight matches then they had to give it up since obviously they didnt need it and got 2 shots at the Heavywieght . Restrictions : Upper Middle or lower people only. Has insentives to get free shots at Heavyweight. And again must defend 1-3 times a weeks and lose it after 2 weeks. This is the hardest to be honest cuz people need to admit they belong here which some people arent willing to do.

Next was Tag which obviously doesnt work here , But maybe you can add a Online one since a lot players here do that as well. Could be interesting.

You Can make the title defend matches to end the night with at get togethers …

All of these allow people to see who has the bigger dick without ever saying it or making a point of it and doesnt force you to divide the team and keeps focus on the main goals which is to become a force to be fearful of .

**I hope this doesnt fall on deaf eyes/ears and helps, I guess this is the Coach in me and the fact thats what im in school to become and whatnot, and hopefully soon ill get to meet the rest of ya and fully meet the people I have met once or twice. **

Sorry about spelling and what not just typed it real quick .

Holy fuck thats a lot SORRY , didnt seem that long while typing it .

Edit : Also want to give props to the people who are taking the initiative to try and keep the community going by holding sessions and what not.

And also ill be holding online get togethers on Xbox since Super has the 6 to a room thing like HD remix does which really is nice for getting together smaller groups also I have a good enough connection to host it .

i played chef borijan and raius last night at raius house it was fun dude! im actually 13 and im like a little equal to chef but he counter alot and i should level up my blanka n akuma. so far i being workin on my mistakes, and my bad habiats. i hope im looking foreword to going to another persons house for a challenge becuz sometimes me and my bros get tired of playin each other. when ever there is a challenge. PM me and ill take whatevver!

Haha, well, I managed to get through it anyway!

But yeah I get what you were saying about not splitting it up too much. That’s why I was up for ‘forced’ rotation, at least for part of the night. It’ll allow everyone to play everyone, which is important for the up and comers. I’ll speak more about this below.

Thanks again to Rauis for having myself, sonnywortzik and his bros. I’m just going to put this out there, its probably fair to say I was the strongest player there. You guys all have potential, but what stuck out for me was that you are all fairly aggressive/reckless in your play style. I understand where that play style can work, but when you come up against players who have a solid defense its really going to be your downfall.

Also, you guys should work on your execution a little bit more. I saw a few instances were you guys were messing up inputs and really random stuff coming out. Mashing is bad in general, but mashing out a move and something else coming out entirely is going to hurt you big time!

But keep at it guys. I’ll be happy to play you again some more and point out little things you can try to get down to improve your game.

This brings me to my original point, taking Raius as an example, a Ryu player, but kept throwing out his cr.RH out in block strings or as a poke. I told him this wasn’t great given how slow a move it is, but I know how habits are hard to change. But if he played with others who didn’t punish this, then he’s never going to learn. So I’m going to drill it into him (by punishing it each and every single time he does it from now on) that his sweep is NOT the move to use in those situations. Likewise, he sometimes got over anxious and threw out an SRK on wake up, even though from where I was on screen I wasn’t much of a threat. It’s these habits that will be broken more quickly if the guys like Raius take on the more experienced players in Reno.

P.S. Sorry to use you as an example Rob! thumbs up

Really? You say EVERYONE is going at this all wrong, then you say not to segregate people, then you say people need to improve themselves or don’t bother coming, and then you rank other people by tiers. Such mixed messages here.

The best way to improve is to play people around your skill level. This isn’t the same as a CCG. It’s good to get advice from better players but it’s really not that helpful to get beat down by them. Also generally the top players don’t want to beat down on weaker players as it’s not really fun and no one learns anything. You want to do it occasionally for testing purposes but you just can’t start at the top.

Also, no one is talking segregation as you describe it. We’re talking rotations and tournies. The only segregation is for people of similar skill levels to help each other out. Perhaps “separate room” gave the wrong impression, but no one is trying to shove people aside. We need to make a more competitive environment and simulate the tourney experience in order for everyone to get better. A major problem has been too much casual play.

Anyway, it seems your intentions are very much in the right place, and if what you say helps then we’ll have to consider it.

As for tournies, I don’t think there are any special ways to run a ranbat. We could do standard double-elimination with placing matches for the tied spots, or we could do a round-robin sort of deal. We could do round-robin to single-elimination bracket (A-cho style) and that would be more accurate. We could even do a straight round-robin if we have time. Moreso we need to figure out how much weight we want to place on each of the placings, and also how much stock we want to put into ranking people in the first place. We could even have special “challenge matches”, “rival battles”, or “event matches” if we’d like.

Hmmm…maybe too much Japanese there.

Also recording might still be good too. Forgot to ask about that last time.

No problem with using me as an example. I deserve it, and it’s a good example of what comes of playing in a vacuum. My game has stepped up a lot just in the past week from watching others and playing guys like you. I have the definite feeling that I will get more out of playing you than just learning the Ryu/Chun match-up.

Ya everyone was the wrong word, But ya I mean all that .

The only person who should be making a " tier list " for players is indivisuals so you know who you are equal too and who is better and worse , it should all be personal opinions of one self .
And ya if someone isnt trying to get better then they shouldnt be allowed to come but even if a scrub is trying they should be allowed, but even after a month they cant do SRK fadc ultra then they arent trying. So they arent mixed really.

And ya im just trying to join the group of helpers , so I can enjoy the game again.

And I can a recorder that works decent, that I can bring when I can actually go , I did this like 7 months ago for qualitys purposes [media=youtube]B4WKU-cO0ys[/media] …

BR3N7, competition can bring out the best and the worst in some people, and from competition stems the ?I’m better than you!? mentality. The community here, like anywhere else, is very diverse and so we have people of different personalities. Some people are going to be telling you that you should quit and some will try to encourage you to play more and get better. Personally, I won’t tell you if I’m the top or bottom of the community because I can’t judge that for myself. I can tell you who I can and can’t beat, and who I go even with. This doesn’t mean that I’m a better player than them over all. At the same time, I won’t give you pointers up front on how to get better because I think the best way is to experience on your own, as to what beats what. Also, I can’t tell you the thought process that goes on in my head when I’m playing the game because it would likely differ from what you are thinking when you play. You might have quit because most of the people that you met in the community were jerks to you, but ultimately that comes down to how much you want to play the game.

I don’t think that you should be offended that CBK didn’t want to team with you unless he knew how you played. He didn’t want to take a chance and reflect poorly on Reno and so he just didn’t even enter that teams tournament at all. Of course, he didn’t know for a fact if you were a good or bad player, and we still don’t know. If you were serious about teaming then you guys should have set up some time to play before the tournament. However, it is VERY safe to assume that those (who live in Reno) who do not play with us (us being those that are active in the Reno Street Fighter scene) are not at the same level as we are, and so he would have taken a gamble by teaming with you. There is only one example of someone who we didn’t know that was able to compete with us (Me, Martin, Cameron, Scamp, and Jose, because we were the only ones there that day), and that’s Cameron’s (RenoFRESH / BPC) friend Junior.

You assume a lot from the scene when you’re basing the scene off of what you see in these forums. Jose and Mario are both top-tier, Mario doesn’t play on a joy stick, and Chef Borjan is very up-and-coming and actually gave many of the top players a run for their money, and beat most of them, from what I heard of the gaming night that happened last Wednesday. By the way, you put Derrickson as ?Bottom Tier,? and said that you didn’t even have to try and even had to bring down your level of play. That’s the exact kind of thing that makes people stop wanting to play; exactly what made you stop playing the game. Realistically, Derrickson is a newer player (new on the Reno scene at least) who plays a low tier character, and he’s just going to get better by playing with us.

This game isn’t about technical skill or b&b combos. Yes, it plays a big part in dealing damage, but this game is primarily about reading, tricking, and adapting to your opponent. Secondarily it’s about zoning, knowing what beats what, and capitalizing on patterns. You need to be smart in gameplay. (I know some people may beg to differ but this is what I see the game as.) If Justin Wong were to fight me, I’m pretty sure he could beat me just by using crouching roundhouse as a ?combo.?

I can see that you don’t know the scene very well given that you have only played with a few players from the scene. You haven’t touched the game for several months other than practicing combos and a few games here and there. Several months ago, you were supposedly at a similar level that Mario was at, and you were consistently beat by Jose. I can only assume that you are currently at a level that you would be consistently beat by the Jose we knew many months ago. You probably don’t know the game very well given how much you have played the game, and based off some of the things you said in your post I think that this is a safe conclusion to make.

I’m not telling you that the advice you give to us is not helpful, because it really is. There are some things you said that we haven’t thought of like having a player list, and making a website and those are some really good suggestions. And as far as the segregation of players, I agree with you on that.

As far as you telling us ?how Reno can be a powerhouse,? and as far as everybody going about the scene all wrong, you can’t possibly think that someone who plays this game at, in all intents and purposes, a casual level, will renovate (pun intended) the scene. Yes, competitive card games have similarities to fighting games. However, if I were a professional chess player, I don’t think that I’d have enough knowledge about StarCraft to give a StarCraft community the end-all-be-all compendium of becoming nationally competitive, just by owning the StarCraft game.

We have Koogy, who was basically a pro at Guilty Gear, and we have several OG Street Fighter players. Koogy, and the OG (when they’re around), I believe, are good enough at what they do to be great directors for the scene. Thing is, Koogy just started playing the game again recently, and the other OG’s have become inactive. On top of that, one of our top players became less active in the game a few months ago. What was left of the scene for the past several months was a few cocky players who thought they were the best, who thought they were the top of the scene, and who thought they were nationally competitive. Well, Koogy’s back now and hopefully he will be able to whip us all into shape. We have only seen 1 week of what Koogy has to offer us, and I see Koogy’s plan as a great step in a positive direction.

That being said, is everyone aiming at becoming nationally competitive? SHOULD everyone be aiming at becoming nationally competitive? The answer is no, so we need to share our gaming nights with everyone. The only difference that it makes is how much the player walks away with that night. You learn as much as you want to learn, and you take back in proportion to what you give. We have people who want to be nationally competitive who are not learning spacing and footsies. This isn’t because they don’t want to, it’s because they think that aspect of their game is good enough so they refuse to put the time in to learn it. We have people who are just semi-casual and semi-competitive who are better than our competitive players who want to compete at a national level. We’re a diverse bunch and diversity should make us better, not just desire to quit and exclude.

Dont try and make this city a fucking WWF thing with Belts and trophys * I did change my mind on this * lol, Hey I was just throwing ideas out there man, don’t knock the wrist and headbands they’re official street fighter apparel lol.

Now for guys thinking that Jose could be hard on you, just ask Jose, RenoRob, and I about how Nelson would make you play. First you were told straight up how much you sucked, then you were taking shots, getting chronic smoke blown in your face, and maybe your ass punched or slammed if you got too drunk and maybe even your bed lit on fire! If you didn’t make it on time to practice Street (sorry that happened Jose)
I mean that shit was crazy and now Nelson’s gone and we’re realizing that Jose is suppossed to be our Futurechamp!? Son you better step it up and start drinking some Mick Ice and put some hair on your chest something. lol, jk

I’ll be at the next get together and will be playing to win, not getting cocky or anything just the way it is. I wanna beat the people who are beating me like Martin, Danny, Jose, Chef Borjan, Eric and anyone who is playing to win like myself. Super is just a few weeks away and that’s gonna be exciting but for now I have a lot of competitive spirit rising in me again like back in the cvs2 and GG days or Reno,

Btw my name Chris I’m the tall white guy with brown hair that is kind of tan I tried to introduce myself to the people who I did not know and make them feel welcomed. I’m pretty easy going and you can always come up to me and say what’s up or get my take on something. I’ll you see at the next get together.

p.s. Jose, I think your bed got dumped somewhere off of Mill st. call me for better directions

Personally, I play SF4 for fun. I plan to play SSF4 much more seriously. I have a giant house, and I want people to get together and improve. So, you might not see me play as much right now, because I have to do t-shirt designs / manage my business with every second of free time. With that said, I’d love to get people to the top level, and I know how to get there. This week, I want to talk to everyone about how to improve from my perspective. So, before you even show up to my house, I want you to read this article.

http://www.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=221097

GO GO GO.

Ouch, harsh review. Not necessarily unjustified however. I won’t say that my character is holding me back, I don’t believe that to be true. I’ve picked up some extremely bad habits from playing online (inputting until animation, for one, and tick setups that don’t work offline, for two), that are getting in my way, I’m also new to fighting games, so my reactions times are shit compared to some of the play I witnessed on game night. And I still suffer execution problems from time to time. When my execution isn’t interfering though, I still feel I’m a fairly competitive player. I’m sorry if you didn’t enjoy our matches Brent, though I did. The only thing I will say about my character as a means of defending myself is, once its understood what Vega can and cannot do, the match up becomes much easier for my opponent, Vega has very limited tools in certain situations, and I’m not yet a strong enough player to keep myself out of those situations altogether. Case in point, I was playing a Guile player off the main setup at the top of the night (apologies, I don’t remember who), and he was a competent Guile, but unfamiliar with Vega. The first few matches went mostly in my favor (I gave up a few unfavorable trades), but after he mentioned he was unfamiliar with Vega, I gave him the key to the match up, boom traps will limit Vega’s options on wake up and in the corner, to the point of Vega becoming very simple to deal with. As soon as he applied it, I didn’t get another win off him for the rest of the evening. Hopefully I’ll develop enough to overcome my characters shortcomings, but to do this I need input from higher players, to inform me of the options that I’m NOT seeing. So while I was at first disheartened that to hear I’m not considered worthwhile, that only galvanized me to grow further. Looking forward to what I can pick up from the upcoming game night, and here’s to SSFIV! Cheers!

That’s great to hear Darrikson!

That’s the kind of dedication we all need to improve =)

I’m enjoying what Im reading, since I joined the reno crew, then quickly was inactive, but planning on joining back since Im out of that little funk I was in.

I feel experimentation with all these ideas will be beneficial…but the number one thing, which Foxtrot stated, is no ego’s allowed. People should be open to play, teach or help whoever is around them to raise everybodies level up, not just certain players.

Also, a way to ensure everyone plays everyone is useful, because it will expose people to new match ups and playstyles, I think wednesday I only played vs 5 or 6 people, not getting a chance vs Chris, CBK, Jose etc.

Darrik it already sounds like you know what you need to do to be a better Vega player. It really is all about reaction times and defense/staying out of bad situations. Because Vega has no good reversals (backflip doesn’t count) you need to avoid being knocked down and tech every throw or you’ll be in serious trouble against quality opponents.

As for Guile, it’s still a tough matchup for Guile because Vega can outpoke him on the ground and it’s not too difficult for Vega to jump in over sonic booms on reaction. You can actually control the match and since Guile doesn’t do much damage either it’s not his favorite matchup. Just don’t eat ground.

I (and others) can probably provide more tips once we see you play more.

Great tips Scamp, good to see you there too.

Darrik I was the Guile you played, after you beat me I actually felt the need to increase my level of play against you not decrease it. Well I thought you were doing alright actually, I liked your use of flip kicks. One thing I like about vega is the EX wall dive, I think there are some combos into that although not sure how to do them. Let’s play some more next time

I’m going to host the event starting at 7:30pm this time. The extra 30 minutes should help with set-up, and get people a solid 4 hours, if they show up on time! I know some people can’t make it extremely early, but try to show up on time if you can!

THIS IS THE REAL DEAL THIS TIME. Last time was a gentle coddling, so that everyone was a bit more familiar with each other. I want everyone to play to win. If you think being chipped to death by fireballs is cheap, I highly recommend becoming a top player at FarmVille. I need some people to guarantee they can bring stuff. Here’s the list I posted a tiny bit ago, but a reminder!

**- 1 Additional tube TV. I don’t like laggy shitty HD displays.

  • 1 Copy of SF4 for 360.
  • 2 360’s with ALL characters unlocked. (or one person bring your HDD and use my 360)
  • 4 360 sticks. Preferably TE’s. I can provide one SE w/ Sanwa parts.

If you can supply me with these things, please post up in the thread!
**I will provide the venue, you guys bring the hype. We’ll have some discussion about the ranbat situation, and I will try to get everyone up to the next level.

Fox - Thanks for your nice post and wont even bother
getting into all the assumetions being made, but nice to get another side of the
city posted. , I agree with what Reaver said, thats
also what I was also trying to say is people need to put
there damn Ego’s aside … I think the city is on the right track
and I hope it all works out here. Im just a nobody whos trying to
give his 2 cents to help the community nothing more.

Darrikson - Im sorry bro, I didnt mean to come off that way
and its makes me no better than the ones I was talking about,
I did enjoy our matches together and look forward to many
more in super, I keep hoping that Claw gets the tools he needs
to be competetive cuz lord knows him and Dan/Gen our my
favorite characters to use and all them are missing the tools
to be even decent characters.
I hope Claws new ultra can give him a real way to comeback ,
I also give props for sticking with a bottom tier , Im in the same
boat, all the characters I use are bottom tier. Again im sorry
bro I mean I was the one who met you and first played you
online and told you about this thread :frowning: … I think the issue
was how well I knew the Claw matchup for using him so much ,
I think we might have done some mirrors maybe even and if not
I might be one of a few who can help you with Claw , he has a thousand
weaknesses and maybe 3 strengths . Also I give props for
using a controller if you still are , that was just Sick some of the
stuff you were doing on a controller. Again Im sorry and I really
feel like a dick for what I put cuz it came off wrong . And please
dont be discouraged for what I sayed . I removed it cuz it did come
off wrong and was very disrespetful to a fellow gamer… I really
hope Claw does get the stuff he needs and even better will be if
Dan gets the SRK FADC ULTRA I read about , that will make him
a strong canidate for my " Main " and ill be taking on a truly shitty character to go
along with DeeJay who I was hopin was gonna be in SF4 to begin
with :)…

Ill be trying to get off of work super early on wedsnesday hopefully
can be at Koogys by 8pm which is good since it starts
at 7pm … Although I will be going to mingle not really play … If Koogy
is kool wit dat, I bring a TE stick poeple can use if they want
and maybe put together a SE with all Sanwa as well but I cant guarentee cuz I
cant leave work unless there is little to nothing to do.