I’d rather bang Thor Girl
Give me a valkyrie over Chick Thor anyday.
Hrist!
I would love to see a real proof of concept of this.
Her biceps doe hnnnnnnggggg
I have a sudden urge to penetrate enter into Valhalla.
How has this thread lasted so long?
In Soviet Valhalla Aelia pierce you!
I’d be okay if this turned into a SMITE thread. Lots of gods there. Even some I need never knew existed… like the god of bees!
Dat camel toe on Fraudir.
I’m very impressed a religion thread has made it to page 3 on SRK.
We know the mods are monitoring this thread cuz someone got banned, so it must mean that SRK has changed their policy regarding religion threads.
Which is a great thing, cuz I think we as a society need to have a discussion on religion in order to move forward.
As long as we keep it civil, I think the mods will keep this thread open.
That means not insulting someone by calling them stupid, but instead call their ideas stupid (no ad hominem attacks).
Speaking of angels, I thought they were created without free will, meaning they have no choice but to follow god’s orders.
And yet Lucifer is/was an angel who refused god’s order to show respect to humans.
That’s a contradiction right there.
Theology is not a real field of study anyway.
Just look at Wikipedia’s explanation of the Trinity:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (from Latin trinitas “triad”, from trinus “threefold”)[1] defines God as three consubstantial persons,[2] expressions, or hypostases:[3] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit; “one God in three persons”. The three persons are distinct, yet are one “substance, essence or nature”.[4] In this context, a “nature” is what one is, while a “person” is who one is.[5][6][7]
Complete and utter nonsense. If it smells like bullshit, it must be bullshit, and this most definitely stinks of BS.
That’s another reason I dislike religion and consider theology a non-subject.
They put your mind to sleep with contemplation of utter nonsense, it requires you to suspend disbelief about the most important questions (how the world came into existence, the origin of life, etc).
Anything that requires you to set aside your critical thinking skills is dangerous IMO.
And to those religious people who say to atheists “where do you get your morality from?”, I say "you have no idea how insulting that question is.
Our morality comes from innate solidarity with other humans and living things.
We evolved this compassion as a way to survive in social groups.
If we weren’t born with a sense of right and wrong, then we wouldn’t have survived as a species for thousands of years.
You don’t need a holy book or a deity to tell you that murder, rape and theft are wrong.
Now some people are not born with a sense of empathy, like psychopaths or sociopaths, but that’s a problem with the wiring of their brain.
People like that have a personality disorder, not some demon or devil tempting us to do bad things.
And some serial killers were some of the most devoutly religious people, yet the threat of hell still didn’t stop them from committing those heinous, evil acts.
TLDR: We don’t get our morality from religion, religion gets its morality from us.
You’re going to ruin it for everybody.
How are they equal? I just already explained the difference. Your point #1 is just arguing the “no true” scotsman fallacy, arguing that “good believers” don’t believe in ancient fairy tale collections. By definition, if you are a “believer”, you believe in something without any evidence. That’s the definition of faith. That’s fine, but saying that’s an equal position to say, science, which built the computer you typed your ignorant message on, is ridiculous. I’ve got no problem with most religions either, they provide community and comfort to many people. But the stuff they believe in is not equally valid to science. If you don’t believe any stories in the bible, then by definition you’re not a christian. If you only believe some, that means you realize that whatever religion you believe in is bullshit, but you’re too scared to let it all go.
My problem with the both sides are equal is that people like you are the reason garbage like creationism is still taught in fundy bible belt states. Ignorance is being spread and that is horrible and has real consequences. The two positions are not equal at all.
so you live in a universe where fucked up things happen, and you want there to be a creator who ALLOWS THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN ON A DAILY BASIS. AND SOMEHOW YOU THINK THATS A GOOD THING?!!?!
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You dodged my question about whats there to learn? What benefit is there knowing in who we are or how we came to be?
Maybe it might make us feel more meaningful but as a practical sense in day to day actions, I dont thinks its necessary.
You also skipped how I mentioned that there is corruption within science. You could look at the Piltdown man, Global Warming and the Big Bang.
Why Big Bang? If the universe was really created by one huge explosion then why does Venus and Uranus spin backwards?
With angular momentum they should be rotating the same direction.
All in all. You missed my point. It being that there is speculation on both sides, that is what makes them equal.
Your last point is a common thing to fall back on to continue to bash other people’s beliefs. But meh, continue to push the blame around instead of trying to solve the problems that have you so distraught. While your at go listen to http://puu.sh/b6AM9.mp3
And continue to live while thinking your more superior just cause of your point of view.
(I hate your attitude btw. Your free to believe w/e you want.)
IIRC, there are multiple types of angels, some of which have 6 or so wings to protect onlookers from their blinding radiance.
They are equal in terms of idiocy. Point is, we do not know. Even if some how the christian god is the right god that exists the chances of theists knowing this god (regardless of the bible) is minimum. How the hell can anyone know a god and what he thinks? People can’t even understand other people yet they can for a god. That’s biggest problem i’ve had with them other than their hypocrisy.
However, Atheism isn’t that far ahead. First of all, there is just no logical reason at all to fully conclude that the universe just came out of chance. There are just so many systems in existence and these systems are all possible due to our order in the universe, regardless of the existence of these systems there are also laws in the universe and they are all READABLE. Even Galileo himself said: “The Universe is like an open book, and mathematics is it’s language”… how else can language occur with out a mind? Other than that there is our own bodies; our cells to reproductive organs accurately compatible, we are able to pass on our own dna/traits to the next generation; next the animals, such as baby sea turtles knowing exactly what they should do and where to go the moment they are hatched. Nature is just too well brilliant to just fully conclude that “it was all out of random luck” as intelligent, on top of that in reference again to galileo’s quote, nature/the universe is all accessible. Now, i’m not saying i’m a believer because i’m not, but to be honest there is just no conceivable way for atheism either. Until the time atheists can show me that it is possible for language and systems to just pop out of thin air and brilliant go on it’s motion then that is when they have the right to feel smarter than the rest. If you want to continuously argue your way and show off how everyone who doesn’t agree with you is unintelligent then please show something emperical that the 3 things i’ve mentioned can just occur out of random.
If this creator god created a hell then those things that do happen are taken into account eventually (either that or he really doesn’t care anymore). So let me ask you athiest, you live in a universe where fucked up things happen like the Isis guy who broke in some guy’s house and decapitated his 5 year old daughter and kids, now him (the Isis guy) being where he lives he is more likely to get away with that for the rest of his life because there is no god, you think that is a good thing; or would it be better that when this ISIS guy dies the justice he managed to escape during his life will now return to him at a 100 fold? Just to remind you, i’m not speaking as a believer because i’m not but i’m not going to side by bias or what is pop culture now.
There is no corruption within science. It’s not perfect, but science is the best method we have of getting at the truth.
Piltdown man was a hoax perpetrated by a religious man trying to disprove evolution. He failed, which means science works.
Global warming is real and I wish the climate deniers were not as gullible as religious people.
The spin of Venus and Uranus are mysteries that cosmologists are still working on solving.
At least science is trying to get at the truth, as opposed to faith heads who say “god did it”, and then stop trying to figure out the truth.
Everyone is free to believe what they want. I as an atheist, am not saying stop believing.
Religious belief is the same as free speech to me. Preventing people from adhering to their religious indoctrination traditions is the same as preventing people from dissent or criticism of the govt.
If you want to believe the Earth is flat, by all means you should have the freedom to do so, and even though I disagree with your beliefs, I will fight any measures to prevent you from believing whatever you want to believe.
But if you don’t have evidence for your beliefs, then you’re not allowed to be right, or to influence public policy or education or anything else.
Just do your believing in the privacy of your home or in a church with other believers and I don’t have a problem with that.
Theology isn’t a study that gives you answers about the origin of the world, life, etc though. Theology is a study of a collective belief of certain groups of people, how the belief came to be, pieces of literature that inspired/supported the belief, etc. It’s more like sociology than it is physics.
Also I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss it from a Wikipedia article. Remember how Wikipedia entries about mathematics delves directly into high-level stuff that not everyone will understand? I imagine that’s what could have happened in the Trinity article, too. In actual written Catholic canon law, words seem to just be used willy-nilly, but when someone is being taught canon law, they find out some words are given more rigorous definitions than expected.
They are not equal in terms of idiocy and that’s a proven fact. The fact is you’re typing on a computer running on the internet. This was built on a body of knowledge attained by the centuries of observation, study, and experimentation. Stop trying to equate the two. Saying “we dont know” is just a god of the gaps argument. You’re right there’s a lot of things we don’t know. So should we turn to an ancient book written by goat herders who didn’t know any better, or just try and figure things out the best we can? Also these things didn’t just spring into existence randomly, there are mechanisms in place that led to them. You’re saying life is complex HOW COULD IT HAPPEN? It evolved. That’s why there are design inefficiencies in the human body. There could be an infinite number of parallel universes out there where life doesn’t exist, it doesn’t mean that the one we live in now had some kind of intelligent design behind it. Its a poor argument, because it leads to the question of how did god come into being? Did it just sprint into existence randomly? If you’re going to do hand waving such by saying god can spring into existence randomly, then the universe can too.
Secondly, just because life is cruel and unfair doesn’t mean that an alternative fairy tale where we all good people go into heaven singing kumbaya while evil people burn in hell is real. That’s just proof that religion is made up, because in the real world, evil people get away with being evil, so people who were getting shit on had to invent mythology to cope with it.
Of course those questions are meaningful, what do they have to do with religion? Religion is just a bunch of ancient dudes who came up with arbitrary answers to those questions. Philosophy is an attempt to more rigorously answer that question. I don’t need religion to do soul searching, it provides no value. The value from religion comes from preserving tradition, ritual, and community. These things hold societal value (and in other cases can lead to ignorance and bigotry) but answer life’s deep questions is not something religion has a monopoly on.
There is corruption within science sure, but its still the best we have. However the examples you listed are not good ones. Big bang happened. Deal with it. If you really wanted to learn about it, you could ask scientists. Ditto global warming. Anti science people like you are why the anti vaccination movement is taking off, and its having real serious health risks as a result.
My Goddess:
There’s a lot of people in this thread who can’t read. The rest are carrying on with it which is why it’s still open
Now, can anyone tell me why it’s still open? You’re brain will expand if you can answer it correctly