Religion & Mythology Thread

[chadouken]

[quote=“Tekno_Virus, post:139, topic:171485”]

My Goddess:

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I want to join your religion.

[DangerOnTheRanger]

Show of hands - who thought this would make it to 3 pages?

What’s even more surprising is that there’s a semblance of intelligent discussion in this thread. We might actually make it to 5 pages if this keeps up, guys.

[Manx]

Fishjie is probably about the most knowledgeable person on this site regarding The Bible, from what I’ve seen.

But anyway, this is usually the part where discussion starts to break down.

Religion is like girls. Ideally, you should strive to try em all out.

:tup:

[crotchpuncha]

I believe that God is both female and male and neither male or female since it is both.

Did you join SRK just to participate in a religious discussion?

It’s B-Tier Bison, he was banned AGAIN and just made a new account AGAIN.

[Zatalcon]

Yo I was reading the quotes from Zatalcon and I just wanna say there probably is no way to distinguish a universe that was created from a universe with the same set of physical laws that just randomly came to be. All a creator would have to do is create time, space, matter, and a set of physical laws and the universe will unfold according to those laws and eventually bring forth our existence without any further intervention from the creator. But you could argue the same thing for the lack of a creator: all that is needed is for time, space, matter, and a set of physical laws to come into existence through some means other than a creator and the universe will also unfold and eventually bring forth our existence.

The question we’re ultimately asking is if there is a creator before time, space, etc so you can’t answer that question using science because science is fundamentally rooted in observation within time and space. And science is pretty much the only method we can rely on to give us facts about reality. So creator or no creator is pretty much a toss-up, you could totally just pick one and no one would be the wiser.

So yeah, if you believe in a creator and someone asks for proof, the proper answer should be “there is none”. If someone asks for evidence, our own existence is technically evidence. Evidence isn’t meant to point to a single, necessary cause anyway. Evidence just says “something definitely left a mark here, but that something could be anything as long as it’s capable of leaving marks”. So yes, if you believe in a creator, you definitely do have evidence, but it’s not irrational for someone else to refuse to believe in a creator even in the face of that evidence.

No doubt. I don’t fully believe in a creator but i’m not going to talk to someone who does with disrespect towards his intellect. The core argument concerning Atheism and Theism or Deism is really about the origin of the universe and existence in general. One side claims that everything in the Universe was designed, due to it’s laws, the ordering of it’s components, and nature being a strict system whilst the other rejects it. Those people just find it difficult to believe that this universe that works so brilliantly was just all from accident and you can’t blame them since what observable case is there to show that systems can birth out accidentally?

I’ll admit, i really loath funde theists. To me, the majority of the most horrible people i’ve met were Christians. It totally ticks me off to this day that people who go to church and read their bibles feel that they are better people than everyone else; it ticks me off that christians become “good” people on sundays and then plain douchebags on other days. The best christians i’ve met were the ones who don’t go to church or participate in bible studies, they don’t really give a damn about the differences of other people. To me the ones who are not religious are the ones who are actually following their leader. Now i do agree that it is **not **irrational for someone else to refuse to believe in a creator because having the “i’ll believe it when i see it” is a smart reason, however it’s the whole “i’m smarter than you” and the spamming of “science” as some sort of anti-god subject that ticks me off about atheists.

[Zatalcon]

They are not equal in terms of idiocy and that’s a proven fact. The fact is you’re typing on a computer running on the internet. This was built on a body of knowledge attained by the centuries of observation, study, and experimentation. Stop trying to equate the two. Saying “we dont know” is just a god of the gaps argument. You’re right there’s a lot of things we don’t know. So should we turn to an ancient book written by goat herders who didn’t know any better, or just try and figure things out the best we can? Also these things didn’t just spring into existence randomly, there are mechanisms in place that led to them. You’re saying life is complex HOW COULD IT HAPPEN? It evolved. That’s why there are design inefficiencies in the human body. There could be an infinite number of parallel universes out there where life doesn’t exist, it doesn’t mean that the one we live in now had some kind of intelligent design behind it. Its a poor argument, because it leads to the question of how did god come into being? Did it just sprint into existence randomly? If you’re going to do hand waving such by saying god can spring into existence randomly, then the universe can too.

You guys (the highly verbal ones) are equal in terms of idiocy. I’ve seen some of your arguments in the past and your arguments are clearly all from googled websites. There is no body of knowledge built on either side and there is no centuries of observations, study and experiments. If you want me to stop comparing the two then you should have given these observable examples as to how language and systems can just occur out of accident by now. Instead, you popped with the most typical atheist line “they evolved” which i will get to later. I’m not saying you should turn to a book or a bible, if you read/understood my post i think i made it clear in describing what makes theists idiots too and it’s them thinking they know the thoughts of a god.

Next, you answering “it evolved” is a reply made from internet influenced knowledge. One of the reasons why you and theists are the same is because you believe every single shit that you read if fits your convenience. First, you have not seen evolution happen before your actual eyes, you just read about it and side with it because you think it proves creationism wrong. Second, Evolution was never an anti-creationism theory. Augustine of Hippo talked about Evolution and he existed the time their bible was cannonized/released; which is hundreds of years before Darwin. Darwin himself could not fully embrace atheism because his studies showed that species are capable of adapting and adjusting to the changes in our enviornment. Which is why he ended up agnostic and even said that theism and evolution was compatible. Evolution shows the brilliance of nature more, there so many things that connects to keep life on this planet possible and evolution is one of them. You replying “they evolved” is what the poor argument is because it shows you got your knowledge of evolution from the internet.

Secondly, just because life is cruel and unfair doesn’t mean that an alternative fairy tale where we all good people go into heaven singing kumbaya while evil people burn in hell is real. That’s just proof that religion is made up, because in the real world, evil people get away with being evil, so people who were getting shit on had to invent mythology to cope with it.

Hell being real or not is not the case because you were popping off with the “is this a good thing” remark. I have no idea why you are making this as an argument of hell actually existing and as proof for religion. lol. What the point was is that there is really nothing great that atheism has to offer either, because the philosophy just ends that way.

[Manx]

… There is no body of knowledge built on either side and there is no centuries of observations, study and experiments. …

Are you retarded?

[Rick_Ross]

I’d rather bang my little sister than my mother like Oedipus. The Greeks were fucked up lol.

Why not both?

[crotchpuncha]

… There is no body of knowledge built on either side and there is no centuries of observations, study and experiments. …

Are you retarded?

yes.

[system]

Angels can reality warp, literally turn dreams into physical reality.

IIRC, there are multiple types of angels, some of which have 6 or so wings to protect onlookers from their blinding radiance.

This is true.

The common ones we read about in the bible are messenger type angels. I think the other ones have different names to distinguish them and generally look very freaky. The messenger angels just look like men and can even eat and drink like humans.

[forte95]

Angels can reality warp, literally turn dreams into physical reality.

IIRC, there are multiple types of angels, some of which have 6 or so wings to protect onlookers from their blinding radiance.

This is true.

The common ones we read about in the bible are messenger type angels. I think the other ones have different names to distinguish them and generally look very freaky. The messenger angels just look like men and can even eat and drink like humans.

IIRC seraphim are the ones with 6 wings. Cherubim are like lower-level angels, I think?

EDIT: lol google http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_angelic_hierarchy

[ralph_sab]

You dodged my question about whats there to learn? What benefit is there knowing in who we are or how we came to be?
Maybe it might make us feel more meaningful but as a practical sense in day to day actions, I dont thinks its necessary.

You also skipped how I mentioned that there is corruption within science. You could look at the Piltdown man, Global Warming and the Big Bang.
Why Big Bang? If the universe was really created by one huge explosion then why does Venus and Uranus spin backwards?
With angular momentum they should be rotating the same direction.

All in all. You missed my point. It being that there is speculation on both sides, that is what makes them equal.

Your last point is a common thing to fall back on to continue to bash other people’s beliefs. But meh, continue to push the blame around instead of trying to solve the problems that have you so distraught. While your at go listen to http://puu.sh/b6AM9.mp3
And continue to live while thinking your more superior just cause of your point of view.

(I hate your attitude btw. Your free to believe w/e you want.)

The Big Bang was proposed by a Catholic Priest. http://www.amnh.org/education/resources/rfl/web/essaybooks/cosmic/p_lemaitre.html

[pedoviejo]

So, it’s a standstill

2 votes for apollo @tekno virus, and @locoghoul, 2 for thor, me and ill find his name later, 2 undecided (@moonchilde, and @drwill439) from what I’ve gathered.

Sudden death?

[blitzfu]

They all lose to Superman anyway. Goku included.

[locoghoul]

TBH I’d like to see a good mythology fighting game. I know there are some RTS out there but it’s not the same. Like have the most iconic war gods against each other with CvS2 or 3S fighting engine, fuck marvel or the scrubby SF4 series

[Moonchilde]

Why not both?

Wait, you really need this explained? The Germans were at least kind enough to only let Siegfried get off on banging his sister. At least she’s youthful, supple, and ripe for pounding. The Greeks, man they’re just cruel. I mean come on. They made Oedipus kill his father who he didn’t know, and then marry and have incestuous sex with his mother. Old, probably not exactly in her sexual prime, his mother, you know, putting his dick where he came from, and all that. Both are fucked up, but the Greeks are definitely more fucked up.

[Ki_Shima]

They all lose to Superman anyway. Goku included.

Which Superman are you talking about and which gods or angels are you speaking of?

Do any of you people know about Nephilim? These beings are half fallen angel and half human. These beings were evil and gigantic. Some of them were as tall as 30 feet. They mostly existed before the The Great Flood of Noah.

“those that cause others to fall” which could be one or a combination of three things;

- some scholars have come to the conclusion that Nephilim were actually the original pale skinned people. their dna being foreign enough to cause confusion in interpersonal communication with the other more local/adapted humans on earth. (btw across the world in every tribe gods = star beings)

- scientists have found proof of the Denisovan sub species http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denisovan one of the bones found was a tooth twice the size of a humans tooth. the nephilim based on notification of size could be the pure denisovans

- or they could just be giant men who raped and killed humans, which is up to you to see it as fact or fiction

btw heres a wonky map of evolution

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Spread_and_evolution_of_Denisovans.jpg

[fishjie]

You guys (the highly verbal ones) are equal in terms of idiocy. I’ve seen some of your arguments in the past and your arguments are clearly all from googled websites. There is no body of knowledge built on either side and there is no centuries of observations, study and experiments.

Unplug your computer from the internet then, because apparently it doesn’t exist. Neither does your computer. Because apparently the centuries of observations, study and experiments that led to the scientific discoveries that built the computer you are typing on are all imaginary. Just like god. Totally equal sides. Conversation over, by making such a retarded statement you have proven you are obviously a fundamentalist nutjob. You don’t think the two sides are equal at all, you think one side, the fundie nutjob side you subscribe to, is the legit side.

[ralph_sab]

Fishjie is the guy that would just attack and post a load of nonsense with it. He’s not to be taken seriously.

[Zatalcon]

You guys (the highly verbal ones) are equal in terms of idiocy. I’ve seen some of your arguments in the past and your arguments are clearly all from googled websites. There is no body of knowledge built on either side and there is no centuries of observations, study and experiments.

Unplug your computer from the internet then, because apparently it doesn’t exist. Neither does your computer. Because apparently the centuries of observations, study and experiments that led to the scientific discoveries that built the computer you are typing on are all imaginary. Just like god. Totally equal sides. Conversation over, by making such a retarded statement you have proven you are obviously a fundamentalist nutjob. You don’t think the two sides are equal at all, you think one side, the fundie nutjob side you subscribe to, is the legit side.

What the hell does this…
“You guys (the highly verbal ones) are equal in terms of idiocy. I’ve seen some of your arguments in the past and your arguments are clearly all from googled websites. There is no body of knowledge built on either side and there is no centuries of observations, study and experiments.”

Are you just going to reply incoherently just like with that “hell” part all for the sake of e-thugging it down? Because what does this have to do with me asking you to provide these scientific discoveries and studies for systems and language being able to occur out of accident? I just don’t see how this anaology of “unplug your computer” have anything in relation to what i’ve asked… and this is the second time the other one being about “hell”. It’s either you are just in it to e-thug it down again, or just that stupid to actually comprehend what you are reading. You are unable to talk to maturely or intelligently on the topic and by far the biggest fundie here and anybody who goes out just to cosign you are idiots too. If you don’t reply incontext again and just go straight into your pathetic e-thug gimmick then you are nothing but a confirmation of my statements.