Angels are pretty OP…they can turn into physical beings and have sex with human women.
They all would lose to Goku
Angels can reality warp, literally turn dreams into physical reality.
Well, since we’re at 3 pages already…
God looses to petty shit like getting angry over eating pork and other foods that are probably just as delicious, worshiping inanimate objects, and having sex without ceremonially announcing that you’re about to do it.
Currently working on a new Christ mythos story (no, not Él Cocina Grande, a different more serious one). Basically making him more down-to-Earth and human, as opposed to the pre-Superman figure described in The Bible. It’ll be the best rogue’s tale ever told.
How do you guys feel about Jesus and miracles, as told in The Bible?
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You know what will make a good story/movie? God chooses to become mortal and walk the Earth without prior knowledge of what he/she really is before becoming mortal. Kinda like the whole insomnia thing. Because God becomes mortal, there has to be a balance in the universe, thus Satan has to become mortal as well and walk the Earth without prior knowledge, just like God. So, both God and Satan have free will and hear stories about the bible/religion/mythology/etcetera. While both God and Satan are mortal, Jesus is still in heaven along with the heavenly hosts (angels, seraphs, etc) and Lucifer is still in hell along with all the demonic beings and devils that are in hell, etc.
I’d watch this live action movie in the theaters. Would be cool!
Whelp, time to change the thread title to ‘Religion & Misogyny Thread’.
In Catholic belief, it’s important to note that the Father and the Son are different persons, in the sense that their relationship is a “relationship with the other”, not a “relationship with the self”. My Theology professor didn’t clearly explain the unity of the Trinity to us (or maybe I wasn’t listening lol), but I think the gist of it was that the Father loves the Son, the Son loves the Father, the love they share is the Holy Spirit, and that whole entire thing is God, so relationship is a pretty important defining aspect of what God is in Catholic belief, at least as understood by finite beings.
It’s important to note because a lot of the “rules” that Catholics follow stem from the belief that the call of God is a call to be in a relationship similar to the Trinity, some of these “rules” including the Ten Commandments and much of the canon law involving sin.
The actual specifics of the Trinity are way over my head, though, but the theology involving it is very interesting.
Isn’t Lucifer Satan? Even still, I don’t think that he would have the same power that God has, to become two separate but equivalent beings, one human and one spirit. I can’t think of any time where he’s addressed his own persona as a separate entity. I also, don’t believe The Bible intended for the Holy Trinity to be that, but I might be wrong, since the only translation I’ve read is highly suspect of being tampered with.
That’s still a cool premise, I just don’t think it makes 100% sense. Perhaps have a different demon left in control. The Prince of Persia (Daniel 10:13), maybe? He fought Michael The Archangel, who I was taught actually IS Jesus, so it would make sense.
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Iron chariots. Look it up.
Oh yeah, if you don’t mind me invading the thread a bit, I’d like to ask that all of you who support this, PLEASE sign the petition to investigate the coercion and mental torture of members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses religious organization by their leaders.
It’s a big problem that I am currently struggling with, and also affects my friends and family, as they too are victims, even if they aren’t capable of admitting it.
Religion shouldn’t be like this. Truth is truth and will stand on it’s own, and belief is belief, which should be subject to change when ever YOU choose it. No one should be forced to choose between their family or their freedom.
Thanks.
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Dam. got to reading it, prety hard book but not too hard but it does go hard.
Are we disagreeing about something here?
Aside from semantics, I mean.
Still open? Nice. More fun for me.
No, they’re not. One believes in a deity, the other does not. Opposites cannot be the same. “Hot” and “cold” are not the same. “Up” and “down” are not the same. “Zatalcon” and “smart” are not the same. Understand?
Right. I wrote that block because you reject atheism. Can’t possibly be because you’re an idiot who makes asinine claims about the ability of some people to be rational about this topic simply because of their position on the matter. Also, I’m not here to shove anything down your throat. Not even my dick. No telling how dirty your mouth is with the amount of shit you spew. Chew some Orbit gum. If I’m condemning / insulting your post, it’s not because I prefer it, it’s for one or more of the following reasons:
- You’re stupid.
- Really stupid.
Your belief in a creator means shit to me, and I don’t care to change your mind, but if you want a rational discussion, you can start by not throwing around baseless assumptions about the people you’re debating. Or, continue to give bullshit and get responses like mine in return. I don’t care which.
The fact that every one of us is not you. You might be looking for some evidence for this claim to keep with a key theme of the discussion, so here it is–we think. If you’re having trouble with that, try sticking your face in blender. Your brain might be the type that works better when scrambled.
Why should we believe that it’s the result of a creator? Why is that a smarter conclusion? Why is rejecting the notion of a creator, because the examples above of how the universe is by themselves do not provide evidence of a creator’s involvement, irrational compared to the other side, in which you jump from sea turtles knowing where to go after they’re hatched to it having to be because a creator made it so, with nothing in between to connect the dots?
Oh wait, that must be it. It all suddenly makes sense now. Of course this can only be done by a creator. How else could it be that these sea turtles have to cross the sand to get to the sea–some falling prey to predators during the trek, some falling prey in the waters–and having their lives snuffed out before they begin, instead of preventing that by giving them a defense mechanism, or having the mother lay less eggs and the predators eat something else if it’s about keeping numbers down, if it wasn’t decided to be this way by a creator? To even consider such a brutal relationship between creatures as being the result of anything else, possibly evolutionary without external setup or intervention, is soooooooooooooooooo irrational. Why, creator, did you not give me the ability to see this as irrefutable evidence proving your existence beyond any doubt so that I could instantly accept you without a second thought? Boy, am I the one that looks dumb for questioning your wisdom in having baby turtles die in these manners.
Why can’t languages be the result of early ancestors migrating from their African origins, and independently developing their languages as they spread apart to different lands? Why do they need this creator to form their languages for them, which they then develop and evolve on their own anyway? Or is this creator having to tweak languages over time because they can’t understand the shit their own creations say? I hope this isn’t why we talk in abbreviations when we text.
Why not just give everyone one language we could all understand from the start, which may have prevented a lot of the confusion we’ve gone through over the centuries? I mean, since we’ve managed to overcome this little flaw in Mr. Creator’s language plan by means of translation on our own, why not just let everyone understand each other now? And why would this creator feel the need to not only have humans speak a variety of languages, but also give individual animal species their own languages in the form of sounds, instead of the ability to form words? Or maybe they have, which would explain how I’m somehow able to have this conversation with a jackass.
By the way, I was wrong about you being on a level of stupid. You’ve actually managed to climb higher on that ladder. Impressive.
If you can’t answer the questions people have regarding your claim, much less provide evidence to support your claim other than “natural laws lolol”, then I’ve got some bad news–your argument is invalid. By all means, feel free to make the claim as much as you want, but if you’re not willing to validate your claim, that’s not anyone’s problem but yours, and it’s not anyone else’s job to either validate it for you, or assume it’s valid because it’s easier for you. By all means, Pt. II: Eat shit.
And it’s real nice of you to disregard the rest of my questions because they’re “the same with this last” one. Let’s go over them again just to make sure, shall we?
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Yep. All of these questions are along the same line as the last one requesting details on the relationship between the supposed creator and the laws of nature. Why didn’t I ask any questions regarding the relationship between the creator, the contradictory interpretations of them, and the heinous acts that have been performed in their name because of those interpretations? I know hindsight is 20/20, but your eyesight has it’s own descriptor with two Os–Magoo.
But you are saying that atheists cannot possibly be rational in discussing topic such as this, and now you’re making more negative claims about atheists, while still trying to act impartial as you attack only those on one side of the discussion. And that’s because you are speaking as a believer, since your entire post to me was from the point of view of a believer trying to defend why he believes. If you weren’t, you would have given examples of why the other side is stupid as you previously claimed, instead of role playing the examples yourself.
What is a “shover”? Is this your way of asking me for assistance in shoving your baseless claims up your ass? Sorry, I’m not into that. You should ask for divine help.
Yo I was reading the quotes from Zatalcon and I just wanna say there probably is no way to distinguish a universe that was created from a universe with the same set of physical laws that just randomly came to be. All a creator would have to do is create time, space, matter, and a set of physical laws and the universe will unfold according to those laws and eventually bring forth our existence without any further intervention from the creator. But you could argue the same thing for the lack of a creator: all that is needed is for time, space, matter, and a set of physical laws to come into existence through some means other than a creator and the universe will also unfold and eventually bring forth our existence.
The question we’re ultimately asking is if there is a creator before time, space, etc so you can’t answer that question using science because science is fundamentally rooted in observation within time and space. And science is pretty much the only method we can rely on to give us facts about reality. So creator or no creator is pretty much a toss-up, you could totally just pick one and no one would be the wiser.
So yeah, if you believe in a creator and someone asks for proof, the proper answer should be “there is none”. If someone asks for evidence, our own existence is technically evidence. Evidence isn’t meant to point to a single, necessary cause anyway. Evidence just says “something definitely left a mark here, but that something could be anything as long as it’s capable of leaving marks”. So yes, if you believe in a creator, you definitely do have evidence, but it’s not irrational for someone else to refuse to believe in a creator even in the face of that evidence.
When I realized that Jesus was a fucking zombie I stopped going to church.
Did you join SRK just to participate in a religious discussion?
Ann Rice pukes kind of already did it in one of her books. The only difference is the characters knew who they were.
In before judgement day.
Notice who was banned on the previous page 
Anyone read Der Ring der Nibelung? Siegfried did the hanky-panky with his imouto! But then his son who becomes a hero drinks some funny potion then it kinda lost me on the plot.
I’d rather bang my little sister than my mother like Oedipus. The Greeks were fucked up lol.