I’ve been using Juri and Rog now on my alt account. Went from 3100 PP with Sakura down to 2400 PP with Rog. Then started Juri and fell to 1600 PP which is worse than I had with Makoto and Viper. I really want to be good with Juri but I can’t even get above 2200 PP with her. It makes me relaxed to the point I want to give up the game altogether lol. I see so many other people with 4000 PP with all of my characters. Out of Rog, Sakura, Juri and Rose only with Rose did I gain the highest PP in the shortest time in my Ranked mode experience. I never fell below 2400 PP with Rose. Sakura I’ve played since vanilla but I started a total noob. Rose is my most successful character.
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Sometimes it gets a bit frustrating, but BP and PP are just numbers. Bshido, I’ll definitely keep that in mind. Since I have an A rank with Rose and 4300 PP now, I’m pretty much going to lose large amounts of both BP and PP from losses.
@ Dave D ----
Unless you have a tournament actually EVERY single day, it won’t help as much as you would from constantly playing online play.
Casual offline play is not tournament play.
Tournament play is where you test your skill. Let’s say that I’d get more experience from playing online every day for a while to learn my match ups, learn the basics of Rose, then playing a tournament every 1-2 weeks and just basing my skill of there where I might get eliminated withing the first 2-3 games.
Since actual tournament play usually gets you a net of 6-8 (total 18-24) games if you are actually doing well, you’d get more experience playing online every single days.
Because usually there is someone better than you.
But offline going to tournaments, daily gatherings, etc etc, is “better” than online play, but actual tournament play doesn’t teach you as well as online play.
i feel the same way, I’m trying to get better with chun and its a real bitch but all these points don’t really matter. you need some more local play in your life its much better and you can get feedback from players there. that’s why i play at CF on Fridays.
I’m not trying to be rude because I respect you. But I just feel your comments may give people the wrong impressions. You said…
Online may make you better with your character. But playing at tournaments will make you a smarter player which should be more important. Just because you aren’t physically playing at a tournament doesn’t mean you won’t get better. Most of fighting games is mental. You have to get better cognitively as well. You should leave a tournament with more information than you came in with. The amount of information flowing at tournaments by watching people playing and conversations is incomparable to playing on your couch online. You won’t get smarter if you simply keep grinding it in champ mode.
I think the main point he’s trying to make is that in tournament play, you really don’t have much time to learn the other player’s style with said character or what can punish what and all that stuff on the fly. You have to be ready and be ready to switch up your playstyle if needed. You can obviously learn stuff at tournaments by either watching and whatnot, but most aren’t going to give you tips during the middle of your match on what punishes what.
whereas online, already not being taken too serious, you use it as a way to find randoms who are decent and fool around along with having all the time you need in a actual match to learn what punishes what or what beats out this move. If you have to ask you’re more than likely to get a response since it’s casual. Plus you’ll learn to stop doing dumb shit because online randoms mashing things out and doing wakeup supers/ultras and the like.
I don’t think he’s giving the wrong impression as much as just wording his point wrong.
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Sometime by the end of next week or so, I will start streaming XBL SSFIV matches (Yes, I’m getting my 360 copy back), so there will be more variety. Enjoy!
So what can you really learn in a tournament other then dealing with your surroundings and environment? I dont think yourny players would give you all the information you really need, and there’s practically enough information on SRK to correct your mistakes in which most information on this site is what tourny players can i agree upon. I guess the experience of going to my first tourny itself made me a better player, but i didnt get any smarter from it. It’s just people are playing the wrong people online. Get some actual legit players, or tournament players that play online as friends and you’ll be straight.
Here are some more videos of my Rose. All of these matches were played and recorded tonight. I probably haven’t improved very much over the past few days mostly because I have been playing BB all day (new DLC character came out today). I will be playing a lot of street fighter though… the scene for BB isn’t very strong here but there seems to be a decent SF group nearby. Anyway enough of my rambling here are the matches:
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Obviously I need to work on certain match ups like Claw, Gen, and T.Hawk. I almost never fight them but when I do I usually lose. I have been trying to use cr.HP as an AA more but I can’t seem to get the timing right and then I eat a combo. I think I really need to work on being more aggressive, too. I know that I tend to back up and start chucking fireballs instead of trying to use her normals and her slide.
While you can’t learn matchups and strats at a tourney, there is one thing you can’t really learn from online: how to play under pressure. It’s all well and good when you can play in a first to 10 with someone and try to pick them apart in your home, and that’s good to get the experience you need against certain tactics. But when you’re down in a set and HAVE to perform on the big screen around hundreds of players screaming and scrutinizing your skill, that matchup experience will mean nothing if you don’t have the mental fortitude to buckle down and concentrate, or if you aren’t able to adapt quickly because you’re used to that ft10 mindset. And believe me, being able to accurately perform under pressure is a very very VERY important skill to have.
Its usually tough a bit with claw’s jumping arc, but you should definitely use her normals mid to close range. Dont ever shoot a fireball mid range unless you know he wont be able to jump over. umm i only checked out ur claw video, but this concept should apply to all match ups really…
I definitely agree with you, as it is usual in all sorts of competitions. For some people, it can be hard to play in this kind of situation, while for others, they might not have any trouble at all. You can play online all you want, and at most, you’re probably going to have just one person scrutinizing your skill verbally at a time. That is nothing compared to hundreds of people. There are benefits and flaws with both online and offline play. With online play, you get the opportunity to face opponents all over the world with different playstyles. However, it may generate bad habits and off-timing when it comes to doing combos offline. With offline play, you are not really accessible to these different playstyles, and it may lead to difficult adaptation when you have to play someone with an unfamilar playstyle in a tournament, for example.
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Good game, I wish I recorded during that time. Hopefully it’s still in my replay log, so I can upload the match. I plan on uploading a couple of videos tonight.
@ ShinkuuR
people underestimate the fact that playing online and learning your character is actually EXTREMELY important for practice if you don’t have all that much access to casuals.
I’m not saying that tournament play isn’t important because that’s where all your practice goes into in the end, tournament play.
But from what I’ve read you said that skill doesn’t matter when you’re playing underpressure.
But it really doesn’t fit all the hypotheticals; for example.
An online warrior goes to play in an SSF4 tourney, let’s say the top Sagat player with 15k BP online. (just example points don’t matter but it does show a bit of skill to get there). And then you’re playing the top well known player that plays say Tekken. That Tekken player doesn’t play SF, but is trying to learn so he isn’t that good… So if that Sagat player gets paired up with that Tekken player, the Tekken player will win because he has more experience with the game?
I don’t think so.
I don’t think that’s a good analogy, but I get what you’re trying to say. When you’re at a tournament playing to WIN, pressure gets to you. Your hands sweat, you’re heart beats rapidly, and (from my experience) you think too much and you hesitate. Ultimately, you begin to make mistakes you usually wouldn’t make playing online or playing casually with friends. For example, Sanford Kelly at the last Evo was making several mistakes when he was playing onstage. He’s a pro-cammy/viper player, but the pressure of HAVING TO WIN gets to you.
Now don’t get me wrong. You need to know what you’re doing. But through exposure to tourneys, you become less likely to make stupid mistakes due to pressure. From my experience, I’ve noticed I play MUCH stupider and make MUCH MORE mistakes at tournaments that I would never make playing casually (ex. missing an FADC, not option selecting, not reading your opponent fast/effective enough, ect.) Just my two cents.
Edit: BTW, I’m a Cammy player who recently picked up Rose. If any of you want to add me on Xbox Live, go for it! I’d love to learn from you all. And if you need Cammy matchup practice, hit me up!
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So the only thing you learn from tournaments are basically to handle the pressure? Or is there more to it than that?
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