Rose can completely shut down Guy’s air approach. cr. MK and slide to get under and throw elbow drops, cr. HP to AA normal jump-ins, slide and focus dash to escape jump-ins and reset the situation to neutral, delayed Soul Throw to begin Rose’s own offense, U1 to punish long-ranged elbow drops and U2 to punish elbow drops coming from above you.
This basically forces Guy to play the footsies game which Rose can also dominate at. Guy’s whiff punishes don’t lead to anything. Rose’s pokes completely outclass Guy’s. He’s got his 8 frame st. MK and that’s it. Guy will not be able to get close enough to sweep you with his cr. MK (it has pitiful range) unless he is already on the offense. Same goes for his normal slide. At max range it won’t knock down but any closer and he’ll have to contend with Rose’s st. MK and cr. MP. If he wants to score a ground knockdown, he has to resort to random slides which are incredibly unsafe.
Run-stop pressure is tough to deal with especially in the corner but Guy needs to get you there first. He has a hell of a time doing that considering he already has a hard time even getting in on Rose. Free is a bit exaggerated but the Rose-Guy matchup is definitely in the former’s favor by a significant margin.
Yup and that’s why most Guy players won’t think to attack Rose by jumping unless they score a knockdown. Where they can either bait you into using your soul throw / U1.
If there was actually videos of good Guy players vs good Rose players people would see that Rose is forced to block most of the time and can’t simply “play footsies” or wait for him to jump to counter his moves. Guy players knows that their opponents have the tools to counter their elbow so they won’t act reckless about it. They will instead wait for the right opportunity to attack, score and knockdown and then amply frame traps on frame traps on frame traps non-stop. I honestly think the buffs he got for AE and the hittable box increase on Rose’s cr.mp and hitbox nerf on her st.mk made the match up even for both.
The thing about st. MP is that if Guy is in range to hit you with it, he’s probably already pressuring you. It’s got great startup and sets up his run-stop pressure but he needs to be in that range first which is a problem.
You’re basically saying that Guy needs to play a solid, safe footsies game to get in on Rose. I’m saying Rose can do that better than he can, which is why she wins the matchup.
What I’m saying is that he doesn’t need much to approach Rose. He needs 1 knockdown which he do in multiple ways. All I’m saying is that he can counter your footsies with other things than his st.MK and once he gets in Rose cannot just backdash/EX spiral her way out because of his frame traps and other stuff.
Its pretty much like Dudley needs to find a way to can near Rose but for Guy its way easier to get in and his pressure is much longer than Dudley’s IMO
I’ll agree that the matchup is comparable to Dudley’s, though strictly speaking Guy doesn’t have an easier time getting in, just more options which can all be countered.
He doesn’t need much to approach Rose? He needs all he can get. 1 knockdown is enough to start his pressure game but that’s only if he can get it. Like I said, he’s not going to be landing that st. MP unless he’s already in range and pressuring Rose. Rose has superior footsies. Guy has options, sure, but Rose’s are just better.
That Rose can’t backdash out of pressure really depends on the where she is knocked down and how Guy follows up. FADC backdash will get her out sometimes. EX Spiral won’t get her out of strings like cr. LK -> cr. LK run-stop but it will blow through slower frame-trapping normals like Guy’s cr. HP. Her defensive options against Guy are relatively decent compared to, say, her options against Makoto in the corner.
Dude was a bit of a dick, blaming his losses to me on lag, and sending the appropriate hate mail … yet he still keeps coming back into my lobby with whatever top tier character he could think of. /shrug Shitty personality aside, we do have some good matches.
That guy is number 1 on GFWL? He was playing like a day 1 Yun… maybe he keeps coming into your lobby because he knows you have a decent rank, and that’s all he cares about.
My opinion based solely on this one post is that dude is a dumb kid who only cares about rank, and doesn’t care to actually get good at the game. Taunting after a palm hit, blaming lag, hate mail… I’d boot him out of principle.
I mentioned him to my friends, and every single one of them has received hatemail from him. I lol’d for days at what he sent. :lol: :lol: He’s also on rage-quitters.com
. Reaction skills are shot.