your analogy was that fighting somebody who is hired to protect the public, is the same as fighting a random person on the street. My analogy was that certain people are somewhat untouchable, as their job description entails them put down any opposing force that might threaten them, and thus the greater public.
get back in the corner, you fucking dunce.
I would say that it’s definitely reasonable in the case if Mike Brown was shot at the scene where the altercation took place (the police car). The case would be more cut and dry, black/white, etc. But the fact he ran away, back facing the officer, for a good 100+ feet, and then took TWO shots to the head (if there is a fragment of truth in Wilson’s story then Wilson was some kind of a COD vet, apparently) would indicate he is no longer a threat from the point of the original altercation, but is in fact fleeing/has fleed the scene. All cases state that he successfully distanced himself from officer Wilson.
Furthermore, Mr. Brown was a whopping 280+ damn near 300 lbs. If a man of that size hit you in the face as the way Darren Wilson himself described (being only one punch away from possibly dying), then he’d look A LOT more bruised and damaged than that (guy looks like he accidentally slapped himself on the cheek, and he’s white in the sense that it’d be more prevalent on his face). There are too many inconsistencies and things not done/omitted to state that Darren Wilson was a saint and he did his country and job 100% to a T. The evidence does not stack up, and the arresting agencies/defense/prosecution have all had their hands tied and dirtied in tampering with evidence and coverups for cops.
TL;DR Michael Brown was denied his due process, and was executed after giving up. Even war criminals/terrorists in America are given that right. Screw a TL;DR, go back and re-read that shit.
Also, if you have NOT looked at this, please do. This gives us an insight into the people who are looking into this case. Shout outs to ShaunKing for going in from Day 1.
Since you’re illiterate ways decided they should call me out, exactly how many blows to the head (this including the face) should a police officer receive before they are allowed to defend themselves with deadly force?
I still stand by this, given even more evidence (or lack of evidence collection), that this should have gone to trial and this was a misuse of the grand jury.
So many questions left unanswered that a trial would REQUIRE to be collected.
edit: And incompetent investigations.
Answers to questions happen during investigations. Trials are to determine guilt. Taking a case in with glaring faults is the easiest ways for people to walk free. So if there are glaring things which can cast reasonable doubt, why would you take that to trial?
If that happened then people would be even madder that he walked free.
I’m not saying that the investigation was perfect or that i agree with the grand jury decision, but thats what we have now. There is physical evidence and a lot of witnesses accounts corroborated by it. Looking for impropriaties is where you guys want to be at, not saying dumb shit like lol pinch cops they should hold that.
Wilson’s initial statements not written down/recorded. Allowed to wash blood off hands/place own gun into evidence - http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/seemingly-unorthodox-police-procedures-emerge-in-grand-jury-documents/2014/11/25/48152574-74e0-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html
Soviet out here backing tyranny, ive seen it all now god damn.
Just cause some dude hits a cop shouldnt be grounds for execution.
that’s a bit of a stretch…
I’m not saying a cop should be allowed to kill you because you hit him, but if you’re full on attacking a cop, yeah, he has every right to defend himself with his tools. If I see a guy wearing a suit made out of steak knives, and I decide to attack him, I don’t get to complain about how he cut me.
You reach for a cop’s gun, you deserve every bullet that is inside that gun.
Also, black people need to stop crying every time a trial doesn’t go their way. You lost that right, after the OJ trial.
Take color out of this for a second.
If a 292 lb colorless stick man decides to attack a 210 lb colorless stick man police officer, when can the police officer shoot him so that the 292 lb stick man cannot take his gun and harm him or someone else with it?
Attacking a law enforcement officer means you are no longer a random citizen, but now a criminal.
Criminals must be controlled so they do not cause harm to society.
Unfortunately he was killed, but police officers do not “take chances.”
The cop is 6’3 210 in his own words stop spreding this bullshit that he was a shrimp just like how trayvon was said to be 200lbs when he was 155.
Its fine if people disagree but this giant negro crap is ridic and can even be traced to 1920s understate the whites size and overstate the blacks size.
There is so much fishy shit with this, most of the witness testimonys ive seen all mention a struggle by the car but only the cops mention punches. Hell some say wilson pulled brown into the car. There is more than enough conflicting shit to go to trial.
Police are so hard to pin anything on hell the rodney king cops got off at first and there was video evidence. I also dont like how it took cops so long to interview the friend you know the prime witness. The medical examin didn’t even take picks of the body smh.
Wilson is 6’4" 216.
Why would be he talking too or trying to arrest a robbery suspect through the window of his car?
Something isn’t adding up.
It should be mandatory from now on for all cops to have body cams or least cameras in their patrol cars
To the fucking surprise of no one, the Nazis have made their appearance–again. So I must invoke Godwin’s Law–again. You forfeit your argument
Who is even arguing physical evidence? Surely im not. We know michael brown was fired at, at a close distance, and that he was shot from a distance. WTF are you even arguing? The question is how true is the narrative that brown intiated an attack on derrick wilson for an unknown reason (we can assume for ever on this reason, if it did happen that way), attempted to take his handgun from him to likely shoot him with, and then once he ran away, turn around and either gave up, or did he truly charge at him like some wild beast.
That says a lot about your state of mind right now, that you are just making up shit you think i said, rather then what i did say. There is no absolute evidence right now on either side that would obviously absolve derrick wilson from any foul play. All we have is his story, some witness reports, and the evidence that a shooting occured, and a fight/scuffle happened between brown and wilson, for either reasons of brown fearing his safety, or because brown decided today was the day to beat a cop and steal his gun.
If you need help, this is the physical evidence on brown (below). All this tells us, is that it happened. NO SHIT! No one has been arguing it didnt. Unless youre going to harp on the unknown witnesses who reported something different.** I honestly dont have time to search through hundreds of pages or more to research this issue, and i’ll wait as things trickle out like everyone else, but please stop acting like everyones just arguing about nothing, and all evidence supports that michael brown in fact initiated an attack on wilson, tried to take his gun to kill him, and then after running away, decided he was going to charge at the officer with a gun pointed at him from somewhere around 150 feet away, and dodge bullets to attack the cop. **
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/11/25/366575509/ferguson-documents-the-physical-evidence
**That police department is bunk as fuck for this shit too, because if you just simply had dash cams, and cams on cops, along with doing fingerprint analysis on the gun, and making sure the blood on wilson was tested before he went anywhere, along with doing proper onsite interviews before he goes anywhere, if this story were as true as darren says it is, there would be more then enough evidence to suggest that his side of the story was true, and most people would be comfortable assuming after brown ran away, he turned around to have one more insane go at it. We simply do not have the type of information to without a shadow of a doubt believe everything darren wilson is saying. **
Its at his discretion, so immediately if he wants. The same way that if i walk up to you in a state like florida, texas, illinois, and punch you in the face and continue coming after you, you can pull out your gun and shoot me. Its not that hard to understand. Not that you dont, but the argument is pointless. We know you can shoot a motherfucker if he starts beating the shit out of you in most states, and we definitely know an officer can too.
There not point to even bringing that hypothetical up. We know the answer.
I havent read through every witnesses report, if thats available within those hundreds of pages, but im confused why no one is just assuming that maybe brown was instinctually reaching for wilsons gun to protect himself out of fear of getting shot, and not because he wanted to grab it to kill him. Since we’re just assuming shit. I mean, no one knows if he really touched the gun or not, other then wilsons account of him grabbing hold of it, and if he did, you only have the narrative of the cop, and the friend, since browns dead, and both of those conflict. No one has any video of the entire incident, or even the final shooting. Many witnesses did not report brown running at wilson like some wild beast, but yet none of you here are discussing that possibility. Youre just assuming the 7-8 witnesses that corroborate wilsons story (whichever part of it) and wilson himself are the only people allowed to tell the truth here.
Its fairly astonishing how outlandishly bias this thread is right now, which is not the biggest shocker, since srk is filled with retards unless youre talking about how much you hate the women you dont get.
yep I’m sure big boy Brown wanted to protect himself, fearing for his life, meanwhile he throws a couple of* fists into the face* of a police officer that is inside his own vehicle. Makes PERFECT sense and is certainly less confusing and outlandish as the crazy story that Brown was trying to take Officer Wilson’s weapon
holy shit
Taking an officer’s weapon is a felony, unless they intentionally give it to you. This is why people aren’t assuming Brown was trying to defend himself, and was instead the instigator.
If Brown ever got hold of the gun and “defended” himself with it, he’d be facing the death penalty if Wilson died as a result.
Michael Brown was 6’4", 292 lbs at the time of his death. Darren Wilson is 6’4", ~210 lbs.
You need to fix your example so it reflects the truth more than reflects whatever you need it to to support your argument.
Fuck, I use the metric system and I know that mass difference is downright lethal. Brown is over a third of Wilson’s mass heavier. All he’d have to do is sit on Wilson and he’d kill him.