sometimes I forget he has AIDS.
never seen a person have HIV and be that fat before.
till now.
ease up on those snacks there Mage…
i swear mang.
sometimes I forget he has AIDS.
never seen a person have HIV and be that fat before.
till now.
ease up on those snacks there Mage…
i swear mang.
DoctaMario:9/10 the RCP is actually some faction the US government sent in to stir things up. I saw a documentary about a protest somewhere and the government sending in “anarchists” to basically disrupt otherwise peaceful protests so the cops had an excuse to start shooting.
Not gonna lie this sounds pretty tin foil hat territory.
Not really. That’s a pretty low level conspiracy theory. As was said there’s documentation of it being done in the past, and it’s so effective and simple to implement. All it takes is one guy being a shithead to stir up the police, and it’s not like the crowd will vet the people standing next to them. Hell just think about what undercover cops do.
Spirit_Juice: DoctaMario:9/10 the RCP is actually some faction the US government sent in to stir things up. I saw a documentary about a protest somewhere and the government sending in “anarchists” to basically disrupt otherwise peaceful protests so the cops had an excuse to start shooting.
Not gonna lie this sounds pretty tin foil hat territory.
Not really. That’s a pretty low level conspiracy theory. As was said there’s documentation of it being done in the past, and it’s so effective and simple to implement. All it takes is one guy being a shithead to stir up the police, and it’s not like the crowd will vet the people standing next to them. Hell just think about what undercover cops do.
Huh. News to me then.
It’s about to go down like this if the protesters have any balls. Screw the oppressed system. We are all slaves!!!
blackartsviper: PresidentCamacho: Wil:The police chief has stated multiple times that the officer who shot Brown was not aware that Brown was a robbery suspect.
Edit: If that’s the case, the officer must present a reason why he got into a confrontation with Brown in the first place. As of right now, there is no evidence to justify the use of deadly force.
Edit 2: According to the police chief, the reason why Brown was stopped in the first place was because he was walking down “the middle of the street blocking traffic.” Keep in mind that the street where Brown was walking and gunned down was a residential street and not a major roadway where there’s a lot of traffic.
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/500361047685865473
Final edit: Video surveillance footage of Brown allegedly stealing from the store - http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/surveillance-footage-shows-michael-brown-in-store-altercation/2014/08/15/9ee0fec4-24a8-11e4-8b10-7db129976abb_video.html
Let’s please take ABC’s word with a grain of salt after the whole “He looks suspicious. He looks black” tape edit ( http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-sues-nbc-news-portraying-racist-predatory/story?id=17897214 ). Let’s also not pretend that the media in general doesn’t love churning these problems for ratings.
So now we have a few different issues going on:
- The incident itself. which we still don’t know the full details of. What we do know is that the cop was trying to detain Brown, and that Brown was involved in a robbery. Was there a struggle? Was there an attempted gun grab? We still don’t know for sure. Was this a case of the extreme excessive force police have been increasingly displaying at any sign of resistance (which, by the way, is not limited to black people)? It seems like the majority of people here still refuse to even entertain the notion that Brown fought. Is it really a far stretch to conclude that there’s a chance that someone who was in a robbery (as in a show of force robbery, not shoplifting) might fight police, particularly in an area where there already existed tensions between citizens and law enforcement? My personal speculation (bold font because I’m sure people reading are sure to not catch it otherwise) at this point was that there was a struggle, and the cop went too far after the legitimate threat had ceased- understandable given the adrenaline of such a struggle, but still wrong and worthy of manslaughter at the least. Unfortunately, the consensus here seems to be that anyone not towing the line of Brown being 100% innocent in the matter is racist, which is a fine example of the sort of shit I lamented earlier in the thread. It’s pretty hard to legitimately get to the bottom of something when discussion is drowned in such accusations from the start, and even if facts prove otherwise, the incident will forever remain an example of racism in the memories of people already shouting it.
The rioting/looting. Premature, evil, and counter-productive, yet criticizing them is met with accusations of ignoring the shooting and racism (again). I guess the proper thinking at this point is that Brown was shot by a cop, and nothing leading up to it nor nothing that followed matters, only that an unarmed black teen was shot by police.
The extreme actions of law enforcement to put down what we’re being told were peaceful protests at that point, and police suppression of the 1st amendment. At this point, I’ve made it clear that I believe the reaction to Brown’s shooting was premature and fueled by the desire to see everything as a product of racism. That said, this show of force, and the sort of culture that views police as domestic military, is unjustifiable and should worry everyone. If you think this sort of police reaction is limited to black America, you’re fooling yourself and missing the bigger picture. Save the riot police and riot gear for actual riots, not protestors.
In conclusion, we have a nasty situation that has been made much worse, and there’s no end in sight to racial problems in America when racism is screamed immediately and constantly. Hostilities between police and citizens in UBN’s will increase, and the majority of real root problems in UBN’s will continue to be largely ignored in favor of the ubiquitous charge of racism. Legitimate racism (which, contrary to popular belief, is more than a one way street), where it actually exists, will continue to foment as bitterness builds, with race hustlers churning away. Seems like any way you slice it, we as Americans lose. I know I sure as shit wouldn’t want to be a cop in an urban neighborhood right now.
In conclusion, we have a nasty situation of people like you who try to give every biased benefit of the doubt to the police and try to give every other conclusion under the sun, but try to downplay the possibility of race could have played in this case. There is one thing by saying that we shouldn’t jump to conclusion, but people like you are doing something that is entirely sleazy.
You try to come up with any kind of excuse for this shooting, and take the words of the COP AS GOSPEL WITHOUT ANY KIND OF CRITICAL ANALYSIS WHATSOEVER. Any other possible reason for this shooting is worth mentioning, yet when the idea of race is thrown into the picture; you’re so quick to put the wall up and say “NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Let’s not bring race into the picture!” Give me a fucking break. do you not think that people here wouldn’t see through your bullshit? You can come here and claim all you want that what you’re trying to do is be open-minded, but it’s obviously not the case.
You need to look at yourself in the mirror son. You’re just as bad as the people who claim racism over the most
Oh yeah in regards to the protesters, the anger isnt the criticism over the rioters and the looters. No, the problem comes when conservatives and racists who try to only focus on those people as the sole agents of this unrest, and mention jack diddly shit about the peaceful protesters. But that is to be expected, the peaceful protestors don’t count because they don’t confirm your biases.
Goddamn, I’m chocking on the irony here. Who’s showing bias with statements like “You try to come up with any kind of excuse for this shooting, and take the words of the COP AS GOSPEL WITHOUT ANY KIND OF CRITICAL ANALYSIS WHATSOEVER.” Who exactly has bias here? Who is entirely disregarding one party’s claim based on their group affiliation? Where was I taking the cop’s word as gospel? Did you miss the part where I said if my speculation was correct, the cop should be charged with manslaughter at the least? After that corn log, you still have the audacity to prattle on about confirmation bias and sleaze?
Dude you made these way too easy for me. But I thank you, because this is going to be fun.
this is your own quote
My personal speculation (bold font because I’m sure people reading are sure to not catch it otherwise) at this point was that there was a struggle, and the cop went too far after the legitimate threat had ceased- understandable given the adrenaline of such a struggle, but still wrong and worthy of manslaughter at the least. Unfortunately, the consensus here seems to be that anyone not towing the line of Brown being 100% innocent in the matter is racist, which is a fine example of the sort of shit I lamented earlier in the thread.
That was the exact explanation given by the Ferguson police department when the shooting happened.
That Brown went for the gun, there was a struggle, and then Officer Wilson shot him.
That was his side of the story from the beginning.
Of course there was Johnson’s account and the other independent witnesses who claimed that there was no struggle that Brown was grabbed by the throat and tried to pull himself away from the cop vehicle and was then shot.
There was no consideration of the witnesses’ explanation and no skepticism shown towards the police officer’s account.
In other words you decided to choose one side of the story: the police’s.
But oh wait you were that same motherfucker who was admonishing the rioters for jumping to conclusions, and writing off the possibilities for the other sides of the story and not waiting to get all of the facts.
Did you miss the part where I said if my speculation was correct, the cop should be charged with manslaughter at the least?
And you talked out both sides of your ass and still tried to defend this man.
My personal speculation (bold font because I’m sure people reading are sure to not catch it otherwise) at this point was that there was a struggle, and the cop went too far after the legitimate threat had ceased- understandable given the adrenaline of such a struggle, but still wrong and worthy of manslaughter at the least. Unfortunately, the consensus here seems to be that anyone not towing the line of Brown being 100% innocent in the matter is racist, which is a fine example of the sort of shit I lamented earlier in the thread.
So his actions were understandable, yet still wrong? Right, tell me that isn’t a contradiction.
It sounded to me that you were trying to make an excuse; that you were trying to paint a picture of a man who was a good cop who felt took revenge on some thug who tried to do them wrong. You
seems to completely write off any possibility
that anything else could have been sinister about the murder. As for the possibility of it being that it might be viewed as racist, it is met with hostility.
That’s why I’m calling you out, because you people are straight hypocrites.
You try come out here and try to fucking pass your message off as being “open-minded” and criticize those who jump to the automatic conclusion of racism being the motivator of this murder. Yet the mere mention of the possibility of racism brought up by anybody and you label them as “playing the race card.”
You preach about waiting til all the facts are out, but in reality this mean:
You are skeptical of other witnesses, but believe the story of the police with no doubt.
You’re not about getting to the bottom of things, you’re about rigging the game to make the Ferguson Police looks as favorable as possible. You’re completely full of shit.
However this plays out, things have been set in motion that will probably end up being important down the line.
This looks like something straight out of a riot in Imperial Rome, but that’s just me.
Not sure what’s going on this video:
Did Brown really pay the store clerk before leaving?
PresidentCamacho: blackartsviper: PresidentCamacho: Wil:The police chief has stated multiple times that the officer who shot Brown was not aware that Brown was a robbery suspect.
Edit: If that’s the case, the officer must present a reason why he got into a confrontation with Brown in the first place. As of right now, there is no evidence to justify the use of deadly force.
Edit 2: According to the police chief, the reason why Brown was stopped in the first place was because he was walking down “the middle of the street blocking traffic.” Keep in mind that the street where Brown was walking and gunned down was a residential street and not a major roadway where there’s a lot of traffic.
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/500361047685865473
Final edit: Video surveillance footage of Brown allegedly stealing from the store - http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/surveillance-footage-shows-michael-brown-in-store-altercation/2014/08/15/9ee0fec4-24a8-11e4-8b10-7db129976abb_video.html
Let’s please take ABC’s word with a grain of salt after the whole “He looks suspicious. He looks black” tape edit ( http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-sues-nbc-news-portraying-racist-predatory/story?id=17897214 ). Let’s also not pretend that the media in general doesn’t love churning these problems for ratings.
So now we have a few different issues going on:
- The incident itself. which we still don’t know the full details of. What we do know is that the cop was trying to detain Brown, and that Brown was involved in a robbery. Was there a struggle? Was there an attempted gun grab? We still don’t know for sure. Was this a case of the extreme excessive force police have been increasingly displaying at any sign of resistance (which, by the way, is not limited to black people)? It seems like the majority of people here still refuse to even entertain the notion that Brown fought. Is it really a far stretch to conclude that there’s a chance that someone who was in a robbery (as in a show of force robbery, not shoplifting) might fight police, particularly in an area where there already existed tensions between citizens and law enforcement? My personal speculation (bold font because I’m sure people reading are sure to not catch it otherwise) at this point was that there was a struggle, and the cop went too far after the legitimate threat had ceased- understandable given the adrenaline of such a struggle, but still wrong and worthy of manslaughter at the least. Unfortunately, the consensus here seems to be that anyone not towing the line of Brown being 100% innocent in the matter is racist, which is a fine example of the sort of shit I lamented earlier in the thread. It’s pretty hard to legitimately get to the bottom of something when discussion is drowned in such accusations from the start, and even if facts prove otherwise, the incident will forever remain an example of racism in the memories of people already shouting it.
The rioting/looting. Premature, evil, and counter-productive, yet criticizing them is met with accusations of ignoring the shooting and racism (again). I guess the proper thinking at this point is that Brown was shot by a cop, and nothing leading up to it nor nothing that followed matters, only that an unarmed black teen was shot by police.
The extreme actions of law enforcement to put down what we’re being told were peaceful protests at that point, and police suppression of the 1st amendment. At this point, I’ve made it clear that I believe the reaction to Brown’s shooting was premature and fueled by the desire to see everything as a product of racism. That said, this show of force, and the sort of culture that views police as domestic military, is unjustifiable and should worry everyone. If you think this sort of police reaction is limited to black America, you’re fooling yourself and missing the bigger picture. Save the riot police and riot gear for actual riots, not protestors.
In conclusion, we have a nasty situation that has been made much worse, and there’s no end in sight to racial problems in America when racism is screamed immediately and constantly. Hostilities between police and citizens in UBN’s will increase, and the majority of real root problems in UBN’s will continue to be largely ignored in favor of the ubiquitous charge of racism. Legitimate racism (which, contrary to popular belief, is more than a one way street), where it actually exists, will continue to foment as bitterness builds, with race hustlers churning away. Seems like any way you slice it, we as Americans lose. I know I sure as shit wouldn’t want to be a cop in an urban neighborhood right now.
In conclusion, we have a nasty situation of people like you who try to give every biased benefit of the doubt to the police and try to give every other conclusion under the sun, but try to downplay the possibility of race could have played in this case. There is one thing by saying that we shouldn’t jump to conclusion, but people like you are doing something that is entirely sleazy.
You try to come up with any kind of excuse for this shooting, and take the words of the COP AS GOSPEL WITHOUT ANY KIND OF CRITICAL ANALYSIS WHATSOEVER. Any other possible reason for this shooting is worth mentioning, yet when the idea of race is thrown into the picture; you’re so quick to put the wall up and say “NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Let’s not bring race into the picture!” Give me a fucking break. do you not think that people here wouldn’t see through your bullshit? You can come here and claim all you want that what you’re trying to do is be open-minded, but it’s obviously not the case.
You need to look at yourself in the mirror son. You’re just as bad as the people who claim racism over the most
Oh yeah in regards to the protesters, the anger isnt the criticism over the rioters and the looters. No, the problem comes when conservatives and racists who try to only focus on those people as the sole agents of this unrest, and mention jack diddly shit about the peaceful protesters. But that is to be expected, the peaceful protestors don’t count because they don’t confirm your biases.
Goddamn, I’m chocking on the irony here. Who’s showing bias with statements like “You try to come up with any kind of excuse for this shooting, and take the words of the COP AS GOSPEL WITHOUT ANY KIND OF CRITICAL ANALYSIS WHATSOEVER.” Who exactly has bias here? Who is entirely disregarding one party’s claim based on their group affiliation? Where was I taking the cop’s word as gospel? Did you miss the part where I said if my speculation was correct, the cop should be charged with manslaughter at the least? After that corn log, you still have the audacity to prattle on about confirmation bias and sleaze?
Dude you made these way too easy for me. But I thank you, because this is going to be fun.
this is your own quote
My personal speculation (bold font because I’m sure people reading are sure to not catch it otherwise) at this point was that there was a struggle, and the cop went too far after the legitimate threat had ceased- understandable given the adrenaline of such a struggle, but still wrong and worthy of manslaughter at the least. Unfortunately, the consensus here seems to be that anyone not towing the line of Brown being 100% innocent in the matter is racist, which is a fine example of the sort of shit I lamented earlier in the thread.
That was the exact explanation given by the Ferguson police department when the shooting happened.
That Brown went for the gun, there was a struggle, and then Officer Wilson shot him.
That was his side of the story from the beginning.
Of course there was Johnson’s account and the other independent witnesses who claimed that there was no struggle that Brown was grabbed by the throat and tried to pull himself away from the cop vehicle and was then shot.
There was no consideration of the witnesses’ explanation and no skepticism shown towards the police officer’s account.
In other words you decided to choose one side of the story: the police’s.But oh wait you were that same motherfucker who was admonishing the rioters for jumping to conclusions, and writing off the possibilities for the other sides of the story and not waiting to get all of the facts.
Did you miss the part where I said if my speculation was correct, the cop should be charged with manslaughter at the least?
And you talked out both sides of your ass and still tried to defend this man.
My personal speculation (bold font because I’m sure people reading are sure to not catch it otherwise) at this point was that there was a struggle, and the cop went too far after the legitimate threat had ceased- understandable given the adrenaline of such a struggle, but still wrong and worthy of manslaughter at the least. Unfortunately, the consensus here seems to be that anyone not towing the line of Brown being 100% innocent in the matter is racist, which is a fine example of the sort of shit I lamented earlier in the thread.
So his actions were understandable, yet still wrong? Right, tell me that isn’t a contradiction.
It sounded to me that you were trying to make an excuse; that you were trying to paint a picture of a man who was a good cop who felt took revenge on some thug who tried to do them wrong. You
seems to completely write off any possibility
that anything else could have been sinister about the murder. As for the possibility of it being that it might be viewed as racist, it is met with hostility.
That’s why I’m calling you out, because you people are straight hypocrites.
You try come out here and try to fucking pass your message off as being “open-minded” and criticize those who jump to the automatic conclusion of racism being the motivator of this murder. Yet the mere mention of the possibility of racism brought up by anybody and you label them as “playing the race card.”
You preach about waiting til all the facts are out, but in reality this mean:
You are skeptical of other witnesses, but believe the story of the police with no doubt.You’re not about getting to the bottom of things, you’re about rigging the game to make the Ferguson Police looks as favorable as possible. You’re completely full of shit.
The cop’s story left out the whole part about the threat ceasing before the shooting, which is pretty fucking important, considering that whether or not it was a defensive shooting hinges on that very fact. If I bought the cop’s whole story, I wouldn’t be saying that it sounds like he committed manslaughter at the least. I said “understandable” because IF there was a struggle for the gun there would be a huge amount of adrenaline pumping, and historically people who go for police’s guns end up shot. Shooting a man you catch in bed with your wife is understandable, but still murder; no contradiction there. “Understandable” does not mean “right”.
Am I sure about any of this? No, and I don’t pretend to be- that’s the difference between my speculation and that of those I’ve bemoaned. Yes, I admit I would like to believe that cops aren’t just gunning down black people with no reason, given that the very purpose of their jobs is to protect the public from that sort of thing. Maybe that actually was the case here, but I’ve been made skeptical by people who scream racism at every single opportunity, all the way down to the comments sections on stories about black robbers being shot in the act of holding up people at gunpoint. That corn log floating around about “1 US black man killed extra-judicially every 28 hours by police or vigilantes” is a prime example, as even 10 seconds of consideration should make it plain that being “killed extra-judicially by police or vigilantes” generally means being killed in the act of committing a crime like armed robbery or home invasion (the numbers themselves also sound pretty goddamn dubious, but that’s beside the point), yet it makes the rounds all over the internet as “proof” that America is looking to gun down black men at every opportunity. Like I said earlier, it’s the boy who cried wolf effect: scream it all the time when it’s not true, and people are less likely to believe it when it is true. Apparently you also missed that whole part where I talked about the increasing use of excessive force by police, a regular phenomenon that everyone should be worried about, and one that only makes the headlines when the victim is black.
Any way you slice it, the officer should face a jury. If he’s guilty of manslaughter or murder, he should be punished accordingly, and I personally believe that cops should face much harsher penalties than ordinary citizens due to their roles. If the whole FPD is corrupt, it should be cleaned out. If black America feels that the police are an outside and hostile force, it would be prudent for more law abiding black Americans to join the force and work on straightening it up from the inside. As I said earlier in the thread, I believe cops being recorded at all on duty hours would be hugely beneficial to society.
Is it illegal for civilians to buy gas masks?
This is a good question. I used to know someone who had one from the military.
The_Furious_One:Is it illegal for civilians to buy gas masks?
This is a good question. I used to know someone who had one from the military.
It’s not illegal.
Yea, people use gas masks for stamina training.
(edit: Someone asked to all of us, where did we find this? I went to high school with some of the people who recorded and wrote it)
I forgot to link to an article from the same people who made that video I linked before, this one is from Aug 15th: The tumultuous events that followed the shooting of an unarmed black teen in Ferguson, Missouri, have captured the attention of the nation.
Many of the images to come out of Ferguson have been extremely disturbing and have resembled scenes of a war...
Ferguson Millennial Delivers Emotional Rap About The Reality Of The Situation...
And the video if you just want to watch that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWg4lkiFD1k
The_Furious_One:Is it illegal for civilians to buy gas masks?
This is a good question. I used to know someone who had one from the military.
no it isn’t a good question. I have one that is turned into a bong. You can get them at pretty much military surplus store I’ve ever seen. Hell, go ebay gas masks. Hell, I can just steal the one I have at work in case the acid tanks near where I work explode or release acid mists (pretty much the grossest shit I’ve ever had in my mouth, and we all know about the levels of women I’ve gone down on).
Not gonna lie this sounds pretty tin foil hat territory.
Documents regarding the berkley protest were released some years ago stating that the FBI had agents on to stir up violence within the protest. They were successful and a lot of students were shot by the national guard that day. Similarly a lot of the black panther had first hands dealing with COINTELPRO personnel whom were there to try and get the Black Panther party snatched up on horseshit charges.
So…just because you don’t know about it doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. The US government has done enough legitimate shady conspiracy shit. Some of the stuff that gets picked up by those groups is kinda nuts, but he problem is that since they are the ones looking the hardest, they find legitimate things before anybody else.
he straight up stole those blunts.
he straight up stole those blunts.
What’s your point? What happened there has nothing to do with what happened in the street.
People are saying he deserved to die for robbing some candy? Its scary to think that just because he was black, this punishment for the crime was justified and that he in fact deserved to die.
The robbery provides motive as to why Brown might have resisted arrest.