Sir, I’m going to have to ask if YOU have ever played A1. Guy might not have been the best in the game, but he was top 3 for sure because his redizzy combos were so very easy to do they were almost World Warrior Guile level. It was basically first to combo wins against Guy.
Ah yea I have. Your a idoit if you think his redizzy combos are world warrior guile level please. Go on to ggpo and show me. Theres only one person ive seen that has beat me more then ive beat them in A1 and thats sirika from japan. I play patty cake and on random select in that game and still probably won 95% of the matchs I played online in the game all of last year. Just using that since that was the most recent. Shrug
Guy doesnt redizzy you off some easy combo unless your playing the beta version of the game. If your not his redizzy combo doesn’t even work off a dizzy combo realisticlly since your in no position to land a “good” jump in off his dizzy combo. Whats more his regular dizzy combos dont even work on a standing opponent period. And redizzy is character specific again unless your playing the beta version of game.
I never ONCE and I play guy as well, saw guy land a redizzy. And can count on my hand how many times it was attempted period. And ive played vs a lot of people in the game japanese and not.
Does guy dizzy you realistically off a knock down? Yea he does, but again most characters have a dizzy combo off one knock down. Hell ryu and akumas have legitament unblockable cross ups off a jump in to a dizzy combo.
And yea ill use online cuz well thats the only time its played.
Anyway yea go ahead i’d love to see some people beat me in A!. But so far theres only one dude sirika from japan that ive ever seen beat me more then I beat him.
Yes I did play Alpha quite a bit and never said Guy was “the best” or anything remotely like that, but his mixup was the best in that game and he did have some extremely high damaging combos. How many other characters in Alpha had a redizzy? Even if it “wasn’t practical” who else had the potential to do them? He was also ranked near the bottom for the US “tier list” and at the top of the Japanese. And I don’t know what you mean by beta version unless you’re talking about the PC or one of the test cabinets. I only ever played the standard arcade and Saturn releases.
Ah redizzys… hrmm Birdie, akuma, rose, and I think sagat has one to off the top of my head.
Also never said anything remotely like that? You said he was completely broken, and had incredible dizzy and re dizzy combos. Right. Dizzy and re dizzy combos that don’t even work on every character in the game, nor works on characters ducking. Again if your going to say he dizzys you after a knock down then yea. But again most characters in the game have a high enough dizzy combo in the game to dizzy you after a knock down. And again as I used a example ryu and akuma have legitimate unblockable set ups to dizzy combos then. Im not sure how guy has the best mix ups in the game ethier when theres characters that actually don’t have to commit to something like akuma and can get a dizzy combo with either option. But what do I know.
As for what do I mean by beta, I mean the very first release where guy could dizzy with jump in to just four jabs, duck hp, running overhead and charlie could cancel all his moves again thing. After that a month later the version that is used for everything this was no longer possible. And if your gonna talk to the saturn and PC version ah… to my knowledge the only redizzy guy can even DO PERIOD is vs sodom, and its a combo video duck k, stand hk, walk up a bit duck k, stand hk type kinda shit. Yea dude good looking getting that.
Anyway you guys shuold play a1 online. I want to see how broken guy is. Its funny again I played it on and off all of last year actually again recently, SRK wants to act like they dont like the game but I saw a lot of people on randomly playing it, and a lot of them played guy and he didn’t win. Most the time im forced to just play sagat, adon, dan the crappy characters of the game.
Man, you people seem so lost in this thread. While I don’t think Guy is the best character in the game or anything, and he does have his problem matchups, he is actually pretty solid. A lot of the complaints in here seem to be about not being able to “noob-out” with this character, and it’s a little ridiculous, to be honest. If you time EX Tatsu correctly on a crossup, it will auto-correct just like a Shoryuken. Also, if timed correctly, it is completely invulnerable and will not be beat out by a jump-in.
Also, what most don’t seem to get in here is that in SSF4, Guy is not a rushdown character. Guy is a punishment character. SSF4 doesn’t allow for a lot of rush down unless you can do it aerially like Rufus or Viper. What Guy CAN do is pressure the opponent into making a mistake and crushing them for doing so. There a lot of moves in the game that Guy can punish with about 300 damage AND shoving them into the corner, which is pretty good.
If you aren’t able to get your opponent to the corner with Guy, then frankly, you have a lot of work to do. Every hit Guy does is designed to send them careening into the corner. It sounds like people with this problem either don’t know how to hit the opponent or just don’t know how to follow-up when they land the aforementioned hit.
What essentially needs to happen is that everyone in this thread complaining about Guy needs to try playing him like SSF4 Guy and not SFA2 or 3 Guy. Alpha is a completely different system from SSF4, and I think you all need to understand that before your game will go any further.
Agreed. I’m not getting a lot of the Guy complaints. Like I said in the other thread, if you can’t land your hit confirm links you are going to have a really tough time playing guy. He’s not a character you just rush in with and try to land bushin chain non-stop.
I don’t understand why you’re getting so irate over this. The point was simply that Guy was at his best in Alpha compared to all other versions and SSF4 Guy is a pale comparison to what he once was. You could arguably say the same thing for some other characters, but the disparity doesn’t seem as great for anyone else that I can think of.
I mained Gen in vanilla and played the A2 equivalent mostly. Yes, he was different but as far as how well he matched up against the rest of the cast on any given version of the game, he seemed similar despite losing his chains. I also had much less of a problem with Gen than I do Guy and Gen was pretty much in the lower tiers. Guy just feels completely different and I suppose in some ways the Gen equivalent, but only as far as the “hey it’s an extra character, let’s not spend much time fleshing him out since we don’t care” feel. Most of the vanilla console only characters felt that way, but this time around not all of them do because it was console before arcades.
I mained Gen in vanilla as well, I have to say though I feel I’m having a much easier time with Guy right now. It just doesn’t feel as bad of an up hill battle like it felt with Gen (that and my fingers hurt less since I’m not doing mk xx hand loops). Unfortunantly Capcom in their infinite wisdom nerfed the shit out of Gen so I no long want to touch him.
Just stopping false info. Don’t recall being irate either. And the “POINT” was you talking about guys talking about his incredible re-dizzy combos that… dont even work in the version you played period etc. That is unless again someone wants to show me guy doing these re dizzy combos in saturn or on ggpo whatever it maybe. I’d like to see it. lol
if you guys don’t like a game thats fine, but why spread false info when most people dont even get how the game is played in the first place, or what actually works and what doesn’t.
truth.
i agree this is where most of the complaints are coming from. its a completely different game. you cant play him like you would play him in any alpha game. and if you dont like that then dont play him. i was going to play ibuki in super because i am a 3rd strike player and i hate this game, but i realized and agreed that if i cant play her like i do in 3s, then i just wont play her because im not willing to play her any differently. now i play guy, and since i never seriously played any alpha game, i like him just the way he is.
I could kiss you… if dudes want A2/A3 Guy then fucking play A2/A3. Guy is a beyond solid character in this game with a few bad matchups. Good footise tools, hits hard, and can really mess you up in the corner.