This would work fine if achieving perfect stats for your pokemon wasn’t such a goddamn tedious chore. I shouldn’t have to make complex algebraic equations to achieve my desired stats. I shouldn’t have to run back and forth in one fucking town 10,000 steps just to hatch an egg that has perfect stats but the wrong nature. What kid finds that fun? Much less an adult who was once a diehard pkmn fan. I almost wish I never learned about EV training. Fuck calculating a well thought out team when the game boils down to who haxed first to critical hit thus throwing out the window your strategy.
all max iv’s are pretty irrelevant anyways, the only one that really matters is speed, the rest as long as they are mildly okay usually work out. Everything else is pretty simple to do.
Of course I don’t disagree, it would be much BETTER if it was trivial to do, but I find the amount of work to build a mediocre pokemon is much MUCH less creating a perfect one and it’s effectiveness is essentially the same.
You contradict yourself here. How can actual trainers be at a disadvantage when half of the battle can be fought outside the ring? While it’s true that half the battle is training, you get back what you put in. Put in the work, reap the reward. Whether the reward is a victory over another player or the satisfaction of accomplishing a difficult task such as raising a perfect Pokemon, there’s still a reward. You are not at a disadvantage if you trained your Pokemon because there’s no difference. A Riolu with perfect IVs that was hacked is the exact same as a Riolu with perfect IVs that was breeded. It comes down to skill either way.
As for the Battle Simulator idea… It would take all the fun out of the game, IMO. What’s the point in playing an RPG when you could just have everything handed to you? The grind is a major part of the game.
You guys talk like having perfect stats is a requirement. You don’t need perfect stats to progress through the game so, a kid wouldn’t even care about that. How is having everything handed to you fun? If you strive for perfection, you best believe you’re going to have to put the work in. If you’re not willing to put that work in, you shouldn’t have whatever it is you desire. Go ahead, hack the “Perfect” Pokemon and take them into battle… Watch how quick the fun gets sucked out of the game.
I don’t think you’re following. The **only **time half the battle is fought outside the ring is when you have two players that actually trained their Pokemon. Any player can extremely easily hack the game and obtain any Pokemon they want, with any stat set and skill set. The problem is you **don’t **get back what you put in, because all the value of spending hundreds of hours creating something is compromised when any other player can create that exact same thing in less than a minute. You’re crazy if you think that, without hacking or glitching, players would have all level 100 perfect Pokemon. Without hacking or glitching, having a perfect Blissey would be a status symbol, and would have real value, rather than just being another character in a pseudo fighting game.
How does a battle simulator take the fun out of a game? It’s **already **part of the game, just in a non-official way. Like I said, players can get any Pokemon they want with no effort. If GF put in a battle simulator, it would cater to those players who only want to play Pokemon for its battle engine, and would do more to separate those players who want to actually play Pokemon for its RPG elements from those who just want to battle.
Currently, trading, breeding and leveling are all completely useless. There **could **be a huge community about it, but when it’s just as likely you’re trading for a hacked Pokemon rather than a legitimate one, it defeats the purpose.
The thing about Pokemon is that everything is NOT supposed to be readily available to you. Think if every piece of armor was available to you in World of Warcraft. It would be incredibly dumb. Obviously Nintendo is never going to get rid of hackers… so the next best thing would be to indulge them and separate them from those who actually want to play a legitimate game. Give them the ability to use whatever Pokemon with whatever stats and abilities they want (again, as long as they’re legal), but only let them use them in one league (the battle simulator) and for nothing else.
99% of hackers claim the reason they hack is so that they can experience the most of Pokemon’s battle engine in a competitive manner in which the entire battle is completely skill-based. This is fine, but that’s NOT how Pokemon was designed. If Nintendo wanted everyone to have perfect Pokemon, they wouldn’t have made it take hundreds of hours just to have a chance at making one.
Still, GF has created a very solid battle-engine, and wanting to experience it to the fullest is a legitimate desire. The only thing is, there’s so much more to Pokemon than just battling, but all of that loses its value in the face of hacked Pokemon living in the same world as real ones.
Give hackers all the resources they would normally have, but give it to them in an official game function that separates it from the actual RPG. Create a competitive league and then a league in which Pokemon was played the way it was meant to be. This way, we preserve the integrity of the game, while all aspects of it can be enjoyed, depending on player preference.
Back in Gen 4 (when i used to care) I could RNG any wild pokemon in like 4-5 mins. Training it used to take me like 30 mins. It was annoying when I needed shards for Move Tutors though. RNG breeding on the other hand used to take me like 1 h. They say it was easier to RNG in Gen 5 so I don’t know why everyone is complaining about perfect IVs (that is if you don’t want hacks). I still have a lot of perfect IVs competitive Gen 4 pokes on my Plat cart.
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[]you cant use hacked Pokemon in tournaments, as well as the fact that there arent as many state hackers as you would think, it severely messes up your game taking your Pokemon away as well as sometimes deleting whole files
[]and yes it does take it fun out of the game, you experiment and that’s it. you learn from the battles and then you do better, its like life. the group of people who make these games have had that philosophy about almost if not all there projects, from earthbound to Kirby, to kid Icarus to fire emblem( yes it same associations of people , they)metaphors for life. remember games are art, if you want to play numbers that’s fine be we want to play Pokemon.
[*]and you haven’t seen the massive forums for people breeding and leveling Pokemon, or haven’t played Pokemon at all if you honestly believe your last statement. YOU just believe thats how about this
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because that’s what yo ass wanna do , you don’t wanna play a game you just wanna do math
You certainly can used hacked Pokemon in tournaments, as long as they’re legal, there’s no way to detect if they’re hacked. The only way they mess up your game is if you screw around with them and create Pokemon that couldn’t really exist.
The rest of your post… makes absolutely no sense… what in the world are you talking about?
This is just sounding more and more like “I want to have X but, it’s to hard to get. Why can’t it just be handed to me?” If this is truly what you’re saying, I don’t think I have anything more to say to you without being redundant. At the end of the day, how it was attained really doesn’t matter at all. Its just about personal satisfaction.
Both the RPG elements and the battle engine are one. Together, they make the game what it is so, you can’t have one without the other. If a player just wants to battle, they should either play a different series or play Pokemon Stadium/Battle Revolution.
Being allowed and being undetectable are too different things. It’s like using steroids in sports that don’t show up when tested. They’re still illegal, you just don’t know that they’re being used.
Are you reading my posts? I’m saying the exact opposite. It’s piss-ass easy to get anything you want in Pokemon.
Do you think I’m on the side of hacking? I’m completely against it. It’s the reason I don’t play Pokemon anymore. I seriously don’t think you’re following me. And yes, if something is hard to attain, it holds more value than something is easy to attain… and as of now, players CAN separate the battle-engine from the RPG. Since hacking is so easy, no one has to go through the RPG elements to create a team, they can just make whatever they want and spend all their time battling.
I don’t know if you can “dumb something down” when it’s already filled with contradictions.
All your “dumbed down” concept says is the equivalent of “Just give everyone those 80” 3D TVs for free… Someone else is going to steal them anyway…" Even so, that’s only part of your argument.
You’d rather hacked, perfect Pokemon be completely eligible in battles with trainers that put forth the work to create the best Pokemon they can (which will fall short of perfect). Rather than give players that want to play that game, their own separate circuit, in which is the only place for them to use their now “simulated” Pokemon?
Its clear to me that you have no experience in game design, nor do I think you can comprehend a very simple concept that frankly, does nothing but preserve the integrity of one of the most hacked and exploited games of all time. Feel free to PM me, once you feel like you truly have understood the concept… but as of now, you fail to even land on the ballpark of the same subject.
You want whatever Pokemon people want to be readily available to them in order to level the playing field with the hackers, right?
Giving them for free = What your battle simulator does
80" 3D TVs = Whatever Pokemon
Steal them = Hack them
The contradiction, however, is where you said that it would take hours to get legitimately what hackers can get in minutes. You can still get it, you just don’t feel like you should have to work for it if they don’t. Your flawed argument boils down to laziness and self-entitlement.
the difference is you probably aren’t going to just BARELY kill something, the amount of difference in damage between 0 IV and max is low. The difference in speed IV of one can mean the difference between going first and second which could mean instant death, or being put to sleep, or burned etc…
No. I want a completely different circuit in which players have access to everything (as they already do), but this time around, they can only use their “simulated” team in this one game mode. If you don’t want to battle against people using perfect Pokemon that they didn’t put forth the effort to make, you simply use the standard “trainer” circuit.
This is the last time I’m saying it. It caters to both types of players. It ensures players that do the work to train their Pokemon, only play and trade with other trainers of the same integrity… and those who only care about Pokemon for its battle-engine can play that without having to pollute the community with fake Pokemon and cheating.
How many times to I have to fuckin’ say it? It’s not to put YOU on THEIR level… it’s to SEPARATE THEM from YOU.
I personally would be playing the legitimate game. AGAIN, the reason I quit was because of running into to many hackers instead of legitimate players. I want to play against people who worked to train their Pokemon. I like the idea of seeing what other people have worked hard to create. But I also understand those who appreciate Pokemon’s polished battle-system and want to play it in a controlled environment in which everyone has the same resources available to them… like in fighting games.
You seem like you just want to argue, because you haven’t made any relevant comments towards my suggestion… just general disagreements to arguments that don’t exist and points that haven’t been made.
