Petition for arcade release of SSF4

Cheech_Wizard · October 7, 2009, 8:29pm

^Another good post there.

Where did you hear about this new interview?

experiMILK · October 7, 2009, 8:41pm

i found it randomly on famitsu. it released today. it’s in the new info thread
http://www.famitsu.com/interview/article/1228197_1493.html

TheDarkPhoenix · October 7, 2009, 9:15pm

experiMILK:

another interview with ono came out recently, and it touches on the arcade release.

at the beginning of the subject he flat out says once again there will be no arcade release, acknowledges the complaints being levelled and the outrage of the japan community, but then starts to backtrack? machine translations are always going to be a little jank, so i can’t really tell, but he talks about being sad about not being able to have the game in tougeki, says something about the shiozawa cup, and then says he wants to do his homework and get back to them on an arcade version.

i think, from that internal memo, that there’s a difference of opinion between capcom and the devs of sfiv. the thing is, the console version will bank a lot for capcom, because so much of the game is already there. they are basically adding about 15% new content, and the really small dev window (i’m pretty convinced that they haven’t been working on this game for more than 10 months) means the labor costs are also probably low for this game. even at the lower price point, it looks like capcom is set to make a really steep amount of money when compared to development costs.

but what about the arcade version?

it seems capcom (the company) is not looking for anything to jeopardize their profits. i think they see the arcade release as a variable, even though a 3k-5k upgrade board doesn’t seem so ridiculous when you think about the price of upgrades on the general. I think their decision to milk arcade owners having to buy multiple kits for multiplay really hurt their sales, and because they didn’t sell sf4 in the arcades as much as they wanted (for reasons that may very well be their own fault) they are apprehensive about spending any money on something that might not return as much as they want it to.

but then, you see all these devs and their blogs, and they’re fighting, and encouraging us to do the same. if the issue was so cut and dry and set in stone, why would there be all this confliction and doubletalk?

i worked at an arcade for 5 years, and i watched it shrivel and die. it takes dedication to fans to run one, because you’re in the wrong buisness if you’re seriously trying to bank on one these days. the console release is going to make a lot of money for capcom, even if the sales aren’t as good as sfiv,. regardless of whether there’s an arcade ver. or not. the casuals (i.e. a pretty fat majority of sfiv’s console sales) don’t know or give a shit about japan or their scene. or any of us for that matter. people in america will buy it, people in europe will buy it, people in japan will buy it. but as for the dedication and the high level play, i think that’s whats most in jeopardy here. i think for high level play, this arcade release is important, but as to the overall monetary (and continued) success of the street fighter series, not so much. that matter is a whole lot more cut and dry, wherever the most money is made, thats where you go.

i’ve signed before and i’ll sign again. it will be interesting to see how this all turns out. definately a watershed moment for street fighter.

Great post, I’ve been saying this exact same thing throughout the thread.

SeedyROM · October 7, 2009, 11:49pm

experiMILK:

another interview with ono came out recently, and it touches on the arcade release.

at the beginning of the subject he flat out says once again there will be no arcade release, acknowledges the complaints being levelled and the outrage of the japan community, but then starts to backtrack? machine translations are always going to be a little jank, so i can’t really tell, but he talks about being sad about not being able to have the game in tougeki, says something about the shiozawa cup, and then says he wants to do his homework and get back to them on an arcade version.

i think, from that internal memo, that there’s a difference of opinion between capcom and the devs of sfiv. the thing is, the console version will bank a lot for capcom, because so much of the game is already there. they are basically adding about 15% new content, and the really small dev window (i’m pretty convinced that they haven’t been working on this game for more than 10 months) means the labor costs are also probably low for this game. even at the lower price point, it looks like capcom is set to make a really steep amount of money when compared to development costs.

but what about the arcade version?

it seems capcom (the company) is not looking for anything to jeopardize their profits. i think they see the arcade release as a variable, even though a 3k-5k upgrade board doesn’t seem so ridiculous when you think about the price of upgrades on the general. I think their decision to milk arcade owners having to buy multiple kits for multiplay really hurt their sales, and because they didn’t sell sf4 in the arcades as much as they wanted (for reasons that may very well be their own fault) they are apprehensive about spending any money on something that might not return as much as they want it to.

but then, you see all these devs and their blogs, and they’re fighting, and encouraging us to do the same. if the issue was so cut and dry and set in stone, why would there be all this confliction and doubletalk?

i worked at an arcade for 5 years, and i watched it shrivel and die. it takes dedication to fans to run one, because you’re in the wrong buisness if you’re seriously trying to bank on one these days. the console release is going to make a lot of money for capcom, even if the sales aren’t as good as sfiv,. regardless of whether there’s an arcade ver. or not. the casuals (i.e. a pretty fat majority of sfiv’s console sales) don’t know or give a shit about japan or their scene. or any of us for that matter. people in america will buy it, people in europe will buy it, people in japan will buy it. but as for the dedication and the high level play, i think that’s whats most in jeopardy here. i think for high level play, this arcade release is important, but as to the overall monetary (and continued) success of the street fighter series, not so much. that matter is a whole lot more cut and dry, wherever the most money is made, thats where you go.

i’ve signed before and i’ll sign again. it will be interesting to see how this all turns out. definately a watershed moment for street fighter.

Well said. When my rep giving resets, you’re getting some :tup:

FMJaguar · October 8, 2009, 7:15am

As poonage pointed out, its probably really hard to make SSF4 without an arcade release, since that is the system it was originally developed for. If they were implementing some never before seen online system with perfect replays and lobbies and spectators and live input and more, and then basing the entire game around it, then ok maybe it would be hard to port that to arcade… but AFAIK Thawk and Dee Jay were already made for the arcade version, and the entire game was originally made for arcades, so I call BS.

The upsetting part is how this aspect of the game is taking the focus away from things that are critical to the longevity of the game in the US market, and putting those resources on getting them to click the checkbox to make the arcade version.

Maybe this is intended as a diversion? not sure, but it’s sad that the arcade issue is dominating the SSF4 discussion. It would be infuriating if sometime later we hear “we’re making an arcade version, it takes so much time so we can’t make the online play good”.

Because it takes the focus away from other issues, and puts the focus on issues that Capcom can easily control, if it takes them no work to implement an arcade port, and it takes all of the internet’s time to convince them to do so, then they have total control:

“So are there going to be improvements to the online system and lobbies”
“YO LOOK AT THAWK HES SO HUGE AND TWIRLS YOU AROUND AND SITS ON YOU (btw we had him in the game hidden for the past 2 years), oh, and we are listening to the community and look forward to working with them”

“So how are you going to address X,Y,Z?”
"… … … so yeah did i say there was NO ARCADE VERSION, thats right fanboys, all your heroes are going to die, now rush to your keyboards!"

I don’t think anyone is really against an arcade release, I think we are upset that it was made out to be a huge issue that needed a call to action from our community, when it seems like such a simple thing that already has a much larger community to care about it.

While on the flipside, we are the only group that is going to push for our issues for the console version, so having us also try to fight for an arcade release cause ono said to seems like a waste of our resources.

Hudd · October 9, 2009, 2:27am

How many sigs does the petition have now? Make the arcade release of SSFIV HAPPEN!

entrerix · October 9, 2009, 3:43am

signed.

it just makes me feel warm and fuzzy knowing that the game is being taken seriously by both japan and america.

_MJ_R · October 9, 2009, 6:20pm

petitions are pretty meaningless imo

if ono said there’s no arcade version then just accept the fate.

Killer_Jigglypuff · October 9, 2009, 6:55pm

I’ll sign, if for no other reason than mere principal. There should never be a Street Fighter game without an arcade counterpart, ever. Ever.

Xero_Kaiser · October 9, 2009, 8:00pm

I don’t think the promise of more YouTube videos is going to persuade anyone who’s not already interested

lynch03 · October 16, 2009, 2:45pm

So is there any update on whether or not this is possible? Has Ono said anything about it lately?

The_4th_Letter · October 16, 2009, 3:13pm

Am I out of order for thinking that the reason why Japanese players are usually so good is because they get to play the game so much earlier than their counterparts in other countries?

I’m pretty sure high level play will develop just fine on the console. It’s not like every single game played will be online. Talented players will meet with talented players and pick the game apart and figure out all types of tricks, and youtube it. Don’t fret.

Arcade players should be pissed for community reasons, but the “we need to see what the Japanese are doing in the arcades to learn how to play” seems a little knobslobberish. If the Arcade heavy guys are interested in the game, I’m sure they’ll find a work around.

O.Red · October 16, 2009, 3:19pm

**Man ya’ll need to let that shit go. Seriously.

If it that’s serious to you, buy some wood and an extra console and make your own cabinet.**

O.Red · October 16, 2009, 3:32pm

Infil:

Maybe I’m the only person who regularly watches Japanese arcade streams and recorded matches so I can absorb as much detail about the game and its characters as I possibly can.

With no arcade release, the availability of information just goes way, way down. To those people who say an arcade release won’t affect you because there’s no arcade near you, what about this?

Sure, some streams will still exist in the American market, but the information and tricks you learn in Japanese videos can’t be matched. They’re doing stuff the American players simply aren’t. Not to mention, American players are much more quick to give up on a character than the Japanese are (counterpicks and all that). The Japanese are beasting with Gief when America thought he sucked (Sabin can confirm). How much of the console character potential is locked because most Americans (not all, but most) have given up on a lot of them?

**That’s bullshit.

You can watch SBO and Godgarden (two console tourneys) on Youtube . Right?

And the Japanese don’t give a shit about the console characters. Americans are the only ones giving them a shot.**

Shin_Akuma · October 16, 2009, 4:26pm

SBO, a console tourney?

OMG, I don’t know what to say…

I nominate the above post for “Dumbest Post of the Year”.

raeli · October 16, 2009, 4:27pm

O. Red is just a troll. Dude hates ST. Enough said.

ParryAll · October 18, 2009, 9:51pm

Is there any news or developments on this?

450 signatures.
Thanks everyone.

O.Red · October 18, 2009, 9:57pm

**
I thought SBO was console this year.

Oh well.

My point still stands…**

O.Red · October 18, 2009, 10:00pm

**WTF is a troll?

And fuck ST…**

jeenyus1 · October 18, 2009, 10:04pm

If this really doesn’t get an arcade release I can see SBO and the big Jap tournaments not including SSF4 at all and instead keeping SF4 as the main game.

Not a big deal for me since in the end I play to have fun, Street Fighter isn’t much of a spectator sport for me anyways…