That is true for me as well. But I rather see this game played at the highest level over there in the Asian Countries.
It is kinda like wanting to seeing the best basketball teams play each in the finals(not your favorite team). Neither team affects you, but you want to see the best of the best play, and in out case, play the most upgraded version.
Um, I’d rather see my favorite team. If it isnt the Cavaliers, I dont care, but I see where you going with this in comparison and I understand 
It doesn’t affect you directly, but it does indirectly.
You need to stop looking from just the US or you own local scene’s perspective.
You need to look at the bigger picture. The SF scene on a global level.
It does make a difference and it is necessary for the future of the series/community:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?p=7603778#post7603778
All the more reason to have an arcade release in Japan.
The US alone CANNOT keep the franchise alive.
Keep in mind that SF4 also did well in Japan, in ARCADES.
That is also partly why we are seeing SSF4.
Don’t give all the credit to the US just because that’s where most of the money is.
Well duh.
The US is a CONSOLE-BASED culture.
Japn is an ARCADE-BASED culture.
Of course it will sell in the US. Not in Japan though.
Does Capcom want to lose money or something? They will only make money if they release SSF4 in arcades. They will lose money if they release it strictly on console. Surely they know about the dead console market in their own country.
That shit is mind-boggling.
Could you further explain this, because that just looks like a contradiction to me.
But it is important for the scene in general.
What happens there indirectly affects the US.
Sure, maybe it will thrive, but the qaulity of competition will be 100x weaker than it is now.
It wasn’t JUST American console sales. It was partly the success of Japanese arcade sales too.
Again don’t give credit to just the US because that’s where most of the money is at.
I guess we’ll see soon enough what REALLY happens if Japan gets no arcade release.
In AMERICA, NOT Japan.
I agree, which is why I signed the petition. My issue was with the wording of the poll’s “no” choice, that’s all.
Capcom’s decision to not make an arcade version isnt a total mindfuck. Its quite simple actually, which a bunch of people already said. The arcade version of SF4 MUST of not sold up to their standards (keyword “their” not the average standards of sales for arcades) if they are even considering not releasing it knowing that pretty much all of their fighters had releases on arcades as well. Its not like Capcom is purposely trying to sabotage the community.
And for Capcom to supposedly consider only releasing a console version for SSF4 also signifies that the sales of consoles really matter a whole lot more to them than the sales of the arcades.
Hopefully Ono will pull through for you guys and if enough of you guys pull together (sans me cause I dont care) yaw can get yaw arcade version. Ono is known for performing miracles
Ah, ok, gotcha.
EDIT: Didn’t see your post Esura.
I don’t know about that.
Well they charged like 12k for a pair (or was it 4) of cabs.
That is a shitload of money to charge just for the cabs.
I’m pretty sure that more arcade could’ve had SF4 if they could afford the cabs themselves.
Thus SF4 would have done better, had the cabs not costed a small fortune.
More arcades would get the game, and more people would play the game.
IIRC, Reno touched on this, earlier in the thread.
And now they are just going to leave the arcade operators who bought the cabs, they are gonna leave them to hang high and dry after they took a shitload of money from them?
Nah man, fuck that.
I for one have absolutely no issue with an arcade release if it is a reasonable and smart move for Capcom to make. If it’s a good move that won’t hurt them, why not? If it’s a bad move financially, then they shouldn’t do it. It will still some come out on consoles and will be readily available for many to enjoy. Granted that people can adapt and are willing, as tough as it may be.
Everyone is talking about how this situation is financially driven and coming up with all these scenarios as to why it is or isn’t plausible to release SSF4 in arcades…but I’d like to think that Capcom has analyzed, or is in the process of analyzing, both sides of the issue. I’m sure they are not trying to figure out a way to purposely screw themselves over. Not to say companies can’t make bad decision but I don’t believe the initial intent is to try and fail.
To address the “everyone should just support arcades regardless” argument…Personally I feel like since I don’t have the option to go out to an arcade and actually support SFIV with my money then I have no business signing any petition or actively throwing my voice in support of an arcade release. That doesn’t mean I am going to argue against it either though. I am simply neutral on the situation.
I don’t want there to be this giant uproar about arcades so Capcom says alright let’s do it, and then sales blow because only a fraction of the people that requested this and pushed for it can actually play in arcades. Who knows what would happen to the SF series at that point. I know there are valid reasons to support the arcades besides profit that effect the SF community globaly, but realistically that money seems to be the driving factor.
To those of you that can go and play in the arcades and want to see this release happen…I sincerely hope that there are enough of you and your voice is loud enough to make Capcom see this is a worthwhile venture. Show Capcom that money! Increase that SFIV arcade time :nunchuck:
If SSIV turns out to be only a console release I hope people don’t boycott it. Why weaken the scene instead of finding opportunities to strengthen it?
Pretty much how I feel overall on this situation as well.
This is insanely wrong and the very fact that you think a console only release would lose money is what is mind boggling.
You say that the arcade release was profitable and is also part of the reason why there is going to be a SSF4. But if that was the case, then why are they so hesitant to do an arcade release? If it was profitable and so easy to do, why turn away free money?
The simple answer is that it wasn’t. The very fact that SSF4 is only being planned for a console release right now shows that the very reason this game is even being made is because of the strength of the console sales.
Why is that so hard to understand?
So if console sales are what is supporting the series right now, and the largest market for console sales is the US, and if SF continues to sell well in the US, why wouldn?t there be more SF games?
Do you see why it’s so ridiculous to think that not having a arcade release means no more SF?
You have no basis for such a conjecture. HDR wasn’t given any kind of release in Japan, yet the competition in that game is very deep and rich.
Actually, history has proven that this is exactly the case. When Japan and America play games separately for a while, Japan is almost always well ahead of the game because of their high concentration of amazing players who can play against each other in arcades 8 hours a day. America develops a pretty good game, but they can’t beat the Japanese regularly.
The fact that HDR is “very deep and rich” is great, but you have no idea how much more deep and rich the game would be with regular Japanese competition available. If SSF4 is console only, it’ll be the same thing. We’ll play the game and do okay, but the metagame would be so much stronger with the Japanese playing in their strongest environment.
How niche of a game do you think HDR is, not being released in Japan on arcades OR console (and a game that not everyone in America even likes)?
It’s intent (as with any petition) is to formally request from the community that Capcom release and arcade version of SSFIV. The petition is split between people regular arcade gamers, and arcade operators. The rationale is by using these signatures as a basis, Capcom will realize that there is still a big arcade market (at least for Street Fighter) and will hopefully change it’s mind.
i was going to make a post but basically Shin Akuma is already holding it down in here. good shit Shin!
also, i think everyone is kind of on the same boat here.
some people are neutral and don’t feel that an arcade release will affect them but i think almost everyone can agree that an arcade release will not hurt them and at the very least it will allow Asia to keep it’s scene strong.
looking at the poll almost 85% of the people understand arcade release is important and that’s a good sign.
America was not meant to have those cabinets in the first place so as far as Capcom is concerned they have no obligation to support them.
I definitely think there should be an arcade release though. Everyone is happy if there is an arcade release.
Someone touched on this earlier, but how would a bunch of signatures from people who generally couldn’t support an arcade release of the game even if they wanted to prove that, exactly?
If anyone’s going to convince Capcom that an arcade release of SSF4 is worth it, it won’t be us…
Very true, but I think it’s worth it to try. We still have a small arcade scene so it’s not an entirely empty gesture.
Dont the Japanese and stuff have a petition or some shit?
Why dont yaw merge em? Cause I have a weird feeling that these petitions will only take affect if it is from people who are genuinely affected by no release of arcades, like the Asian areas.
EDIT: Dang, RageMufc posted like before me yo!
It could be this:
SF4 was a success in arcades and it was profitable, just not as profitable as Capcom would have liked it to be.
I said this earlier:
Despite this, it still did well.
You’re joking right?
Yeah, the competition is very deep and rich, but that’s only true for the US. That isn’t saying much.
Everything else that I wanted to say, Infil has already said.
I was referring to Japanese arcade operators.
Though I agree with the general sentiment here, I will say this:
We will never develop as deep of a high-level player base as Japan until our games start using GGPO netcode and fiber optics become more widely available. Arcades simply will not succeed in many regions of this country, because they aren’t profitable and/or because there are too many obstacles to starting one up in the first place.
That said, our current state of affairs (a few pockets of high-level comp mixed in with total wastelands) is preferable to nothing at all, and arcades are helpful in maintaining that. But let’s not pretend they’re the answer for the US when we’ve had arcade scenes for these games forever and still lose 1st round at SBO…
The arcade scene has been dead in the U.S. for about 14 years.