Petition for arcade release of SSF4

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1001

QFT.

It IS Capcom’s fault.

I mean why would Capcom release console versions of a game, in a country where consoles are pretty much dead?

Why wouldn’t Capcom release an arcade version, in a country where arcades are still thriving and it’s where the majority of gamers / SF players play?

Seriously… is it THAT bad? It’s not like they have to buy entirely new cabinets just to play the game. They just need to change the drive, rom, or whatever you want to call it. It’s not even that expensive compared to the vewlix cabs.

Capcom’s in it to make money. They won’t even be losing much, (if any at all). They got 12k for like 2 or 4 cabs (cant remember which exactly). In any case, that’s a shitload of money.

And then what about arcade operators that bought the cabs? Should Capcom leave them to hang high and dry after taking their money? Hell no. To not have an arcade release after they paid a shitload of money for the cabs, that’s just bullshit.

See, this mentality right here, this is what’s holding back American players from REALLY leveling up.

You don’t care about the Japanese. You don’t care if their scene dies. You don’t care if the best players in the community aren’t playing the game anymore.

How do you expect to level up if you have no worthwhile competition to test your skills against? Therefore, you NEED Japan.

If you think that just the US itself is good enough, then you are DEAD WRONG.

Don’t get me wrong, the US has a lot of great and talented players but even the best in the US get beasted on by the Japanese on a regular basis every year at SBO.

I’m sorry to say it but the US is FAR from being on Japan’s level.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - Do you guys want a handicap or something? Are you guys that desperate to be better than the Japanese?

IMO, it seems like you guys are scared of the Japanese and the fact that they are better than you. The fact that ANYONE who voted against an arcade release shows exactly that.

Why not have an arcade release in Japan? We all know that Japanese players level up faster in arcades as opposed to console. Don’t you guys want to have the best competition possible? Having an arcade release will only make not only the competition stronger, but also the community. What do you have to lose from it? Nothing.

I’m saddened that Alex Valle - legend and an inspiration to many aspiring SF players in the community - has this kind of mentality:

Why is it always about only the US? Why can’t it be about the community as a whole?

To the people who say that if the Japanese don’t play SSF4, then it will be America’s time to shine, that it will be America’s turn to be the one who is the best at an SF game… I ask you… why don’t you EARN the right to be called the BEST? How do you do that? By BEATING the BEST.

Call it dickriding the Japanese or whatever you want, but it’s the truth.

1002

did she take that picture in a dressing room? LMAO

1003

When has it ever been only about the US? :wtf:

Is this sincere?

1004

How about this thread itself?

And yes, it is sincere.

1005

This ain’t a thread - it’s a travesty.

And saying it’s all about the U.S. is about as balanced as… well, most of the shit in said travesty.

Or a bi-polar menopausal crackfiend.

I can’t wait until it gets derailed into another parry thread. :tup:

1006

You said the magic word.

1007

I’m sorry, but the last two-three pages has just been ridiculous. Everyone who says FUCK japan really needs to read this UltraDavid post again. When will you guys understand that it’s not only about Japan? Oh, I also quoted some of the more interesting comments below. Props to the people who actually arent short sighted though and see the bigger picture of things.

1008

I dont even know why half you guys are tripping anyway. You will still be playing the game when it’s released regardless.

1009

Your last post sir was probably too real for this majority of this thread. I applaud you.
I’m also extremely saddened by Valle’s stance on this since he’s such a influential name in the community. The sad thing is a lot of people will follow suit and listen to him. He made some great ideas about boosting your local scene that I agree with 120% (as should everyone else since we have no arcades back at home) but the stuff he said about “so what if USA is the best!?” is something I 100% disagree with just like you.

Of course we will still play it. It’s not only about us, it’s about the global ecosystem (community) of players playing the game. That’s the point.

1010

Arcade SF4 runs on Intel based CPUs running Microsoft Windows, using ATI or NVIDIA graphics chips. All of these companies are now based in North America (ATI is Canadian, but owned by AMD).

Remember that the US scene is more about PC/Console gaming, DLC, network and online play, etc… if we had all those systems up to par, this wouldn’t even be an issue, as Japanese arcade machines would simply load up their Arcade.co.jp clients and dl the new game on release day along with our people and we’d all be playing GGPO level games with lobbies watching replays from all over the world.

Instead we allowed those US technologies to be rebranded and exported back to us for 5 figures (PC version with mandatory networking wat?), and we are now literally begging for it again because of a fear that the scene will collapse otherwise.

You can say that we ‘need’ Japans player base to strengthen the global scene, which may be true, but the arcade scene will depend on how well the US players can change distribution platforms (based on our own technology) to ensure worldwide releases and remove the ancient controls and distribution systems that keep people from playing games despite having similar hardware.

The sooner we deal with our own scene, the sooner we are in a position to help the world community. Sure if someone wants to appease us with a arcade release it’s better than nothing, but ultimately the problem is that Capcom and Taito held such a power to begin with, and that we are just now seeing what that means.

1011

I can imagine anyone of you working at a busniess such as capcom and getting them to beleive that SSF4 should have arcade release based on sales.

fictonal event Ono ssf4 meeting

Ono setting up metting with “ceo” to get ssf4 released.

Ono: Thank you for metting with me mr ceo, I just wanted to push to you the ideal of releasing a follow up to ssf4
Ceo: Ah, Go ahead Ono.
Ono: Well sir, Sf4 has been well received around the world, and i think its best we keep that flame lit and strike again while its hot.
Ceo: ( shuffling through records of sales for console and arcade)
Ono: The fans are very hungry for a follow up * chuckles*
Ceo: takes off his glasses
Ceo: All in all Sf4 has done remarkably well, much better as a whole than i thought it would.
Ono: Yes sir, thats why i suggest we get another game out in arcades and consoles as soon as possible.
Ceo: hmm It looks like arcade sales only made up of about 25% of sales revenue. Doesn’t look like it really a money maker in the arcade market.
Ono: Well sir it was a bad time for a arcade release with t6, bb, and the new gundam game just hitting but all in all sf4 did very well.
Ono: Also we have the characters and makeup for a squeal all but done sir, most of it is things we could not squeeze into the 1st game, so production cost would be very low.
Ceo: rubs chin
Ceo: Well I tell you what i’ll do, I’ll give you x-amount of dollars and staff and for a squeal to sf4, you claim you have about 50% of what you need already, then we should stand to make a hefty profit from this.
Ono: Well sir i dont plan on charging the full 60$ for the addon.
Ceo: What?!?! Did you not see the success we had with charging 5 dollars for content that was already on the disk for RE5?! These guys will eat this up!
Ceo: Fine, However I want the console version to be the main focus, the arcade market is to risky for Sf for the time being.
Ono: But sir the community will be split?
Ceo: Community? What are you talking about Ono?
Ono: Never mind sir,
Ceo: I tell you what, if the console very does half as well as it did last time World wide. We can think about a Arcade release. Currently that should not be your main focus. Lets make ssf4 happen and make some money Ono.
Ono: also sir, i wanted to talk about possibly remaking Darkstalkers…
Ceo:* phone rings*
Ceo: Sorry Ono i need to take this, i’lll send all the info to you. Lets get started on that squeal.
Ono: …Thank you sir.

1012

Wow, this shit is funny…and seems kind realistic too.

1013

The funny thing is that it’s us Americans who have the handicap now.

We get the games 1 yr- 2 yrs later. That’s a HUGE handicap.

The reasons we lose at SF are

a) Greater population density. We’re very spread out as a country- so our base only crosspollinates at tournies and online.

b) We get it later, so we have a harder time innovating

It’s not Magical Sugoi Nipponland that makes people like Daigo better, it’s discrete factors combined with talent and hard work on Daigo’s part. Both things can be worked on though. The first problem would be largely neutralized by GGPO netcode- it wouldn’t be a perfect solution- but GGPO for in-country play- the only places I’ve ever had trouble with are Alaska, Western Canada, Mexico (their own fault), and Hawaii. Part b is up to the gamemakers- especially in an age where we can patch games.

I’d be in full support of an arcade version coming out simultaneously, or shortly after with the console version. I would not be in favor of delaying the console version to get the arcade out first.

Oh, zass: your concern about the unlocking- Capcom already thought about that. Ono announced no unlocking chars in SF4.

Arturo/David make perfectly valid points, but we get screwed many more times in other games. Arcade and Console should simultaneously release, or close to it.

1014

Hilarious. I can totally imagine that.

In all seriousness, if the game is seen as a potential source of coin-op revenue, of course the higher ups would say no. It’s just not worth it.

But if you think of it as a powerful marketing tool that helps build community around the game and BONUS pays for itself -how could anyone say no that?

1015

Could you tell me where was it please ? :coffee:

1016

Alot of pages back. I coudnt even tell you the exact page. You going to have to go through it. :tup:

1017

Thank you.

I just don’t know why other people in this thread can’t understand something so obvious and simple.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?p=7578456#post7578456

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?p=7584181#post7584181

What does innovating have to do with anything?

It doesn’t matter whether an American or Japanese player creates or finds something.

At the end of the day, it isn’t an American or Japanese player that created or found something, it is a Street Fighter player that created or found something.

Like I said before, it’s not like US players are gonna win the Nobel Prize for discovering some new shit and have the technique named after them.

Ah, thanks for the info. Lots of stuff that I didn’t know about.

That is very true.

But doesn’t this require immediate concern? 'Cause if things take a turn for the worse, yeah the US will still have a scene, but a pretty weak one it will have.

We need to deal with this now. The American scene can wait.

During the Great Depression, when the US got hit by it, every country in the world was affected, no matter how big or small it may have been. This is the same thing as Japan being affected by having no arcade release.

I believe it will cause a ripple effect around the world:

[list]It will lead to a decreased level of competition. There’s no real reason to play unless the masters of the game are playing (IMO).
[*]The quality of competition will decrease. * (see **)
[] The advancement of the game will slow down greatly. Things that would probably take only a few months to discover, it could take up to a year or longer. Japan has a larger player base, more places to play, and a larger amount of good players. These are all important factors when it comes to finding things within the game, faster.
[]If Japan’s scene dies, it will most likely kill the franchise. Japan is very important to the success of Street Fighter. Just like how America is important to the success of Street Fighter. But if the game doesn’t do well in the country where it was made, the country with the largest player base in the community, it will surely be a disaster waiting to happen.
[]If Japan’s scene doesn’t die, then the US’ scene will slowly die instead. If the scene doesn’t die, even after there is no arcade release of SSF4, then Japanese players would most likely go back to playing the old games like 3S / ST / or Vanilla SF4. They still have enough competition, not to mention enough GOOD competition, to survive for quite some time.

******America’s scene will probably survive too but it will be 100x weaker than it is now. The US CANNOT level up if there is no worthwhile competition - aka Japan. They are the masters at the game. We are the students trying to learn and catch up to the masters.

What’s wrong with that? Some of the people in this thread treat it as if it were an act of treason or something.

It’s like how a teacher teaches their students. They do so in order for their students to grow, to learn, to advance. It’s the same thing with SF. If the masters are no longer playing, how will you learn? Sure, you could teach and find out for yourself, but it would be 100x harder, as opposed to learning from the masters via videos on Youtube.[/list]
If we don’t help, the US might not even have a scene anymore. And we ARE in a position to help, by posting on Capcom-Unity and showing our support. If we get enough supporters, it MIGHT change things, for the better.

I love this community to death. I have for 15 years. I don’t want to see it die so soon.

1018

I’ll sign for this. There’s no arcades in my area, but I know how important the arcade scene is overall to the fighting game scene, so by all means MAKE AN ARCADE RELEASE! The more numbers playing this game the better!

If there was an arcade close to me, you can be damn sure I’d be there supporting it and playing. :slight_smile:

1019

Great post.

I’m definitely signing this. IMHO, without the Japanese players playing this game, it’s basically dead. I mean yeah, the US SF community is pretty big but it doesn’t feel right without them. :stuck_out_tongue:

1020

sigh, one more time…

Stop looking at this from a fans pov and start looking at it from a business sense. Sf4 (arcade)did not do as well as they hoped it would in japan. It was a success but didn’t pull the numbers they liked, coupled with the fact that arcades are dying out slowing in japan and a gobal recession is going on. (1st line says it all http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3176101)

1st and foremost, this time capcom (well ono) has gone out his way to satisfy the community. (from sticks and player feed back and great online play) The guy has a passion for sf, also he lives in japan. If it was feasible to have sf be released in arcades 1st. Don’t you think he would or at least have a simi release?

2nd, If ssf4 fails… loses money, What does that mean for any other future capcom street fighters? 3 bombed in arcades, and was successful on consoles.(in the states) 4 did ok in arcades and was successful on console, and 13 years later we get another chance only for sf4 not to do as well in its “home town” and do even better here than it has since the 90’s. The west in general have been eating up console re-release’s and fighters this year. sc4, sfhd, mvc2, BB…etc etc. Even battle fantasia got released here on console. And it bombed in arcades in japan. Starting to see what im getting at?

Console release’s are safe bets as far as fighters with names behind them goes. All this we won’t grow if the world doesn’t get sf is lol’able. A good ideal of what could easily go down is japan getting ssf4 and bb2 coming out and them dropping ssf4 and moving clean on to bb2. I mean they still play bb and its hecka imba.

Then what? What would you who petition for the “world” to have ssf4 do when japan moves on to another game, that we may or may not get? You know what you do? Half of you follow suite because you feel like japan writes the book on whats a good game. The other half of you do what you woulda and should have done from the get go… Keep playing and make your own path.

There is no Japanese and US community, there is no world community …Well i take that back there is a small one. But not enough that it would crumble because 1 fighter that did not do that hot in arcades anyway is console only.

And for those who say with no “world release” cough japan there won’t be comp or the comp won’t be as high as it should. mvc2 would like to have a word with you…almost 10 years old and the comp is as hard as nails. Japanese mvc2 arcade scene died more than 7 years ago and the. So that aint gonna fly…

edit: Oh and the tvc update is not being released in arcades…Didn’t know if you heard or not. sarcasm I think there should be a petition for that. The scene could crumble if we play it and the Japanese have no arcade scene for it. God forbid they have to play console…