Yes without an arcade scene in America there would be no high level Marvel as we know it today. And Marvel is made up of American players with no association with Japanese players. If you go to regency arcade in lakewood, ca, I’d say if you drop in any time of the day or night, there’s always guys playing marvel.
And while the world today is enjoying SF4 on console, keep in mind that arcades like FFA kept third strike relevant and alive for the past ten or so years when no one else in the US gave a crap about SF. The high learning curve of third strike could only be learned and played in a place like the arcade. Yes it was underground and not mainstream but they were still keeping the spirit of SF alive. Keep in mind that a lot of top third strike players are now some of the top SF4 players in the US and they came from the arcade scene.
Don’t get me wrong I love console. It’s a blessing to be able to play SF without having to leave home and it’s for free. But the heart and soul of the SF scene is the arcade scene. The standard is the arcade. I’m not saying that the arcade scene has to be world wide but I’m saying whatever is left of it still has to be kept alive because Street Fighter still depends on it. Killing the arcade scene totally would be killing the heart of SF. The arcade scene is the arena where ppl take SF to a higher level. As corny as it sounds an arcade that has an SF scene is like a church. It’s a place where people go to play street fighter seriously, competitively, religiously and intensely. Arcades are the breeding ground for ridiculously high level play. It’s old fashion and maybe outdated yes but it’s also tradition. Like movies and music, street fighter comes from a tradition and we must honor that tradition, honor the lineage where this all came from.
Basically what I’m trying to reiterate, is that the heart is the arcade scene and console is the rest of the big body that holds the community together. And the body can’t live without the heart.
but parryall, are you suggesting that we as americans learn something from watching japanese strats???
you fucken japanese dick rider! you can’t come up with shit on your own! you need to man up! we don’t need japan!
america fuck ya!
… or something to that effect. i was waiting for someone to post this in response to your great post, but i forgot it was already posted a long time ago in this thread. (with a bunch of people applauding it of course)
i think the really funny thing is that same people saying “we don’t need to xcopy japan” are usually people who have no problem xcopying justin wong or some other US pro.
it’s like, if a person learns a strat from watching a pro US player… then it’s all good. but if you learn it watching a video of a japanese player… well then you’re a fucken small dick having inferiority complex scrub who needs to man up.
lol it’s all the same. you learn things from watching people better than yourself. people in any aspect of life from business to sports to warfare do this.
if you read biographies about anyone successful in life, they very commonly state that choosing the correct role models is very important to success.
if you learn from some japanese pro, or if you learn from justin wong, or you learn from the guy down the street. it doesn’t matter. it’s all the same. they’re all just street fighter players.
of course you should be innovating your own shit. nobody gets really good without coming up with their own stuff, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t learn from others as well.
this topic totally has nothing to do with the thread, but i’m glad you made that post because it needed said.
Been changing my mind about the topic. All I could think was from the US perspective. That is that arcades are dying, we need to learn to live without them, capcom can’t afford to cater to 0.00001% of their audience. I still think this holds true for the US, but from what I hear arcades are alive and well in Japan. It certainly can’t be a bad thing for arcade to release. Hears to hoping Japan can keep arcades alive and not a thing of the past!
i’m glad that there seems like theres going to be an arcade release… if what ono said was true.
i’m just saddened by the arguments that we NEED the japanese to play this game along with us so we can learn from them.
leaders reach the highest level, not followers. strive to make up your own shit while also keeping an eye out for the innovations that others are coming up with, no matter where they are from.
I think you rarely have anyone saying you need the Japanese to learn to play the game.
However, you do have to agree that by eliminating the Japanese base, you basically lose a big chunk of competitors.
Add to the fact that since most of the best SF4 players are from Japan, how can the top world players say they’re the best if the SF4 JP players are eliminated unfairly with this.
In any case, we’re just arguing about stupid stuff at the moment.
Going back to the topic, both JP and US players need to request an estimate from Capcom when they’re releasing the arcade version.
Hopefully it’ll be done months ahead before the console release to ensure proper testing and balancing.
Regardless of whether you think America needs Japanese participation or not…
Arcades in America are dead. That’s the sad truth. But they are still alive in Japan, and still tournament standard. That might change in the next few years, who knows, but for the moment they’re still hanging in there.
The nice thing about the console release of SFIV was that while they added characters/backgrounds and stuff, they didn’t change anything. Ryu vs Sagat in the arcade was the same fight on console. So arcade players could buy the console version and mess around with it at home, and console players could play at home and level up their skills and then try ou their luck in the arcades.
The problem with SSFIV is that this time around, they’re going to actually change things. Ryu vs Sagat in SSFIV won’t be the same as SFIV Ryu vs Sagat. So arcade players won’t want to bother with the game. It would actually work against them if they started playing a new version, and then had to play the old version for tournaments. And console players won’t bother going to the arcade because its not the same and there’d be no point.
This will end up splitting the community, and when is that ever good? More importantly than trying to absorb tips and tactics from the pros, we need as many people playing the same game as possible. A strong community leads to better events and continued sales, and that leads to more games. For America, arcades are dead so it doesn’t matter, but in Japan a console-only release would split the community, cause some peeps to ignore SSFIV and some peeps to ignore the arcade, and that will do more harm than good in the long run.
The American and European communities will remain strong. And I hate to sound like an asshole, that’s the only communities I care about. You know, I don’t feel sorry for the Japanese. It’s not like they can’t play the game, they just don’t want to play it. When Americans and Europeans are not playing a game it’s because we have limited to no access to it. Most Americans didn’t play SFIV until Feb 09 and that is because we had no access to the game period. We have absolutely no arcades, but if we did we would have played. Even the die hard console players probably would have went to the arcade and played it.
so Japanese will voluntarily not play a game that is definitely looking to be a much more refined and solid entry? That’s on them. I mean, sure most are use to playing in crowded arcades and such. And yes, from what I hear their living quarters don’t have the size of most American living quarters. But shit man, these guys have online play, and their online play is like way BETTER. I mean the entire country runs on fucking FIBER!? Sure they may get some lag here and there, but overall it won’t interfere with the way they play the game. Us Americans have to deal with laggy shit online. I personally don’t play online for the reason that moves get dropped and inputs get missed. The Japanese don’t have this problem.
You know what, Japan is completely unreasonable. There I said it. There is no reason they shouldn’t play this game if it’s not on console. Especially if it address a lot of issues of the previous game, and it looks like it will. The game will definitely be faster, that’s for damn sure. They’ll probably clean up hitboxes, and offer some really neat tweaks to the cast, and 8 fucking new characters at THAT! And these guys still don’t want to play just because it’s not on arcade. Man fuck them.
Sorry for the double post, but I want to say that I love arcades. I grew up in arcades, and I grew up playing SF in arcades. I’m 30 years old, and I was very much around for the arcade era of games. And maybe until a year ago, I was strictly an arcade player. Sure I’d play some casuals on console, but I never took a win or a loss seriously on console. For me a victory on the arcade cabinet was where it all mattered.
Now when SFIV came out, I knew I had to make a decision. Either I play on console, move, or just quit. Well SFIV was too fun to actually quit the game, so I decided to move to console. Now I will NEVER promote consoles over arcade, because arcades are superior in almost every way. But arcades are dead in the USA, and in Europe, and the arcade grim reaper will eventually make his way to Japan. It’s all a waiting process at this point.
Personally, the Japanese will play this game and love it. They will play this game anyway they can, even if it me grasp playing on console. Now I’ve never been to Japan (would love to go though) and I’m not well rounded in their ways and their culture. But if they are gamers like I am, they’ll find a way to adjust. They’ll be some who don’t want change, but I don’t think they’ll be enough to impact the scene
People need to stop with the misconceptions, and stop listening to people who are not in Japan, who are talking about the Japanese scene, and start listening to the people who are part of the Japanese scene.
Where the fuck do people get “Japanese will stop playing” shit from? That will NEVER happen. They will continue to play, but their skill will go down, and they won’t care as much, that’s it. That’s all that will happen. I’ve said it a couple of times before, but if there is no arcade release, the series will continue, but you won’t see anyone on the level of Daigo, Mago, Chibita, etc again because the overall skill level will decrease.
Are we supposed to feel sorry for the Japanese or am I missing something here?
Like I said earlier pushing arcades in this era of gaming is just a bad business decision all around.
You guys are jerking ono around, he said he wanted to get it done the first time but said that they wouldn’t be able to. But NO that wasn’t the answer you wanted so now he has to to ask for permission again even though ono/capcom already knew this was a bad idea from the get go.
I must say some of you spoiled rotten brats are pretty fucking pathetic.
We love SF4, we just wanted as many people to enjoy it as possible. Let me ask you this, what problem you have against us feeling sad that Japan not getting SSF4 on arcade?
You didn’t read my reply to you in the prior post, but no need to, I think many people already explained to you that Arcade is only dying in US. If you pay attention to any market related to console business, CONSOLES ARE DYING IN JAPAN except for the Wii.
The market for home consoles are shrinking every generation. Handheld systems are the only thing keeping Japan market place alive. You just have to understand and accept that there are some culture prefer to socialize and play in public instead of staying home playing console with alone.
Ehh…there’s either an arcade release or there isn’t. My chances of playing or even seeing it in an arcade are equally nonexistent either way, so it’s no skin off my ass.
Excellent point. And you know what it say a whole lot. Japan doesn’t give a fuck about us. They don’t care if we level up in a game, so why are we concerning ourselves with them? Seriously. I mean when Guilty Gear XX Slash was released in Japan only, I didn’t see them asking anyone to release the game over here so Americans could level up. There are so many games that were only released in Japan and only in arcades. They level up and become good in those games, and America falls behind.
If Japan doesn't want to level up in SSFIV, then that's a limitation of the way they are thinking. I mean if Japan doesn't want to play the hottest game out right now, then hey it's not Capcom's fault. In America, we'll be leveling up, and SSFIV will be at Evo, Season Beating, Final Round, NEC, and countless tournaments. We'll have fun and we'll get hyped, and we'll level up. If Japan wants to just take the game as a joke because of a distribution issue, then you know what that's narrow minded of them. It's about time America became the best in the world in a SF game.
Seriously? For the handful of arcades that exist here? The two don’t even compare. It’s more like if we didn’t get a console version of the game, but did get an arcade version. Even if that had happened, I don’t know how the Japanese would respond, but it’s a completely different scenario.