Just to support your SRK buddies. You don’t have to mean it or nuthin’.
arcades are becoming more and more archaic by the year, some of you delusional bastards on here act as if were still playing in the 56k era of gaming. guess what, we’re not!!! online is already really good and will only continue to get better and better, so be happy 
I’m in ranting mood so while I’m at it, some of you need to get off your high horse and show a little remorse for those of us that either don’t have an arcade any more or never had one. - WE LOVE ONLINE!!
anyways its time to move on people, arcades aren’t gonna be around forever. its time for online to reign all over the electrical wiring of arcades.
- I doubt anyone is gonna read this anyways because usually the people that bitch and moan about online play the most are the ones that are always playing online, go figure…
Other way around. Show remorse for people losing the arcade. Console players are losing nothing. Damn you are stupid.
And even if online had 0 lag arcades would still be the better spot for leveling up.
Why should I be the one showing remorse for people losing an arcade? I lost a few really good arcades in my day thank you very much and guess what??? I moved on and bought a console and never looked back!
Let me ask you this, If CTF or any of the other few still prominent arcades were to permanently close their doors tomorrow would these people still be saying the same thing? I think not.
- Thank god online is slowly but surely killing off arcades one by one so that in the not so distant future we won’t ever have to have this stupid discussion again.
great post elvenshadow, but unfortunately it will mostly fall on deaf ears.
most of the people in this thread are posting their opinions and not really reading any other posts no matter how well thought out they are or how much they make sense.
when a good point about why arcade release is important or why the global scene is important there is no good counter argument, that post is just lost in the next 10 people posting their stubborn opinions without regard to anyone who has shown why those opinions are faulty.
i mean after all the people in japan explaining the scene and your post above, there’s a guy a few posts later stating:
“It’ll die in Japan eventually too, since there is little practical reason to have arcades there too.”
little practical reason… really? obviously nobody is reading anything.
What global scene are you talking about?
You really think the global ‘arcade’ scene > the global ‘console’ market / scene?
I hope not. You’re delusional if you do.
This.
They don’t have big ass couches, TVs and living rooms like us. Instead, they prefer (and HAVE) to travel to a local arcade, in order to play with other people. Without arcades, they’re stuck playing by themselves.
Online isn’t a viable option. Not even GGPO. Once online is almost entirely lag free, then it can be considered viable.
Again, this only pertains to high level competition. Doesn’t matter for friendlies and casual play.
Hmmmm…
That would be an excellent solution.
But they’re also thinking of their sardine can apartments that the majority of them live in. If someone tried to have a home meetup in Japan, someone would probably die of Asphyxiation from being in a room with not enough ventilation or room for more than 3 or so people.
I’m not saying that everyone is in that position in Japan, but with the highest density of people on the planet in the urban areas, this certainly does factor.
Plus, when everyone just plays at someone’s house, they assume “Well then, everyone knows everyone.” As in, they’re playing the same people, using the same characters, and the same antics day in, day out. It’s hard to level up to the point where you can beat the best in that environment. The Japanese sit in an arcade, and play whoever steps up to the machine. Scrubs, high tier players, roll tier to broke tier characters, each player with different game plans. They get the buffet of play styles. And that’s why they’re the best out there.
So I don’t think it’s so much ingrained in their culture (which it is), as it is more practical, and more beneficial for them than the American/Western way of doing things.
Why should the rest of the world have to worry about if the Japanese have small living quarters? My god all I ever hear around here is are the Japanese alright with this, are they alright with that and so on.
- That tune is starting to get really old.
the global scene is everyone in the community.
all countries, console and arcade.
the point is it’s all one. and hurting any part of it actually hurts the whole.
the japanese having small living quarters is a direct reply to people asking why japan doesn’t have a good console scene and a practical reason why arcades are important there.
what’s tired is people posting their negative opinions about something without even reading the relevant posts or following the conversation.
all you ever hear is people asking if japanese is alright with stuff? who’s asking that? where are you even getting that?
Well sometimes you’ve got to get hurt to get results.
You make it sound like there’s no other viable solution and that SRK on its own didn’t go through just as much turmoil before SF4 had ever been announced.
I think many of you are afraid. Maybe~
Your missing the point. If Japans SFIV scene dies then it wont be in Tougeki. Having your game get exposure in one of the biggest fighting game competitions in the world can only serve to help it become more mainstream worldwide. It opens doors for more international competitions. Take the olympics for example. Games like Soccer and Baseball are huge because tons of countries play them. Look at American Football, what other countries give a shit about Football? Not many if any at all besides ours. Marvel is like Football, were the only ones who play it. Sure the Marvel scene has done ok for itself, but wouldnt it be even better if there were international Marvel events? Im just sayin…
The more countries in the world that have a healthy scene for a game, the larger the market and more incentive there is for the companies that make these games to make more. Having the arcade version exist only helps to make the console market stronger as well. Dont you see that they work together? Its honestly NOT that expensive for them to release the game in arcades. Having it exist in arcades has NO negative effect on people who WANT to play on console here in the US or wherever. It just makes sense no matter how you look at it for Capcom to release it in arcades for countries that still have healthy arcade scenes.
Im not saying the US should try to revive its arcades, im just saying that having other countries with thriving arcade scenes does more good to the US scene than it does harm. Theres no reason for people to be outright not wanting an arcade version to exist at all.
Remind me, what results are these, exactly?
i really don’t see a need for this petition. i work at the local arcade and guess what we carry 3 setups (with a 4th coming soon) with 1 360 and 2 ps3 setups with nothing but 4 TE sticks and 2 Comic Con sticks and 2 47" LCD HDTV mounted on the wall. i really do not see how a cabinet that will cost at least $10k is gonna come anywhere near what 3 console setups that cost less than that, is gonna benefit Capcom and the arcade that thinks it will work. charging a dollar a game is just gonna send everyone running out the exit. really ur willing to pay all that money just so that people can look at it, go wow and then leave. trust me we have enough trouble as it is trying to get people on console during the weekdays we wouldn’t even have still been opened if we made a dumb idea to spend $10k + on an arcade version. a smart arcade will invest in console setups and not arcade cabinets. it is much more cost effective if a 360 or ps3 breaks down and can be fixed alot quicker than an arcade setup can. and will allow u to have other console games running when the SF4 community is not playing. so u can profit from little kids who walk in and want to play a kid game such as batman.
I vote yes. I mean it couldn’t hurt. The arcade scene has died a bit in the u.s (although from what I know the scene is still strong in san jose la and some other place) but from what I hear its still thriving in japan. Its really fun to go visit an arcade and play against someone. It’s a great way to learn, meet other players and make friends. Its a different feel from playing at home online or with friends who you know how they play and whatnot. Its a great kinda high to be up on a win streak and have everyone around u watching and wanting to take you down. Its a whole different experence and its what sf is all about.
I think the problem with putting it out on arcade is that it may cost too much money for capcom. Capcom has proven they listen to they’re fans so if we get together and fight then I think they will find away! So lets do what we do best guys! FIGHT!
no if you read my posts, you would know that’s not what i think.
but you make it sound like there’s something to gain from arcades dying and the asian scenes possibly dying.
what positive results are you talking about?
am i afraid? i’m afraid that when a large demographic like asia stops playing the game, capcom won’t develop any more street fighters.
i’m afraid ssf4 is the last iteration we get and we have to play it for the next 20 years.
yeah i am a little afraid of that.
then again i’m not actually afraid because i’m sure this game will get an arcade release.
did you read the thread at all?
if you did you would realize why your post misses the point.
Japan is not the US.
Japan doesn’t play on console.
Japan is an arcade-centered culture.
They are gonna be playing on consoles in the future if they want to play ssf4, plain and simple.
i don’t have time to be reading 30 something pages. really i’m just trying to save everyone from making a huge mistake and trying to save the arcade scene in the US for what it has left. my arcade open just 3 months ago and we are doing ok for the time it’s been opened and we are having a SF4 major tournament on saturday so i’m just trying to help u guys out from our experience because there are about 50+ years of combined experience here who still care about the SF and arcade scene and it would be a shame to see this happen and then fail. also arcade setup cannot host halo, madden and other major game tournaments and console setup can.
now as for japan sure by all means i vote yes to japan but this petition does not state US or Japan so one has to asume it is Worldwide.
and the point is that they won’t want to play on consoles so they won’t really play ssf4.
and if asia doesn’t want ssf4 it will fail as a game in that demographic.
it will still be a success in america and europe, but if it fails in asia… there is much less chance capcom will continue to develop sf4 related content.
that’s why it’s everyone’s problem. not just japan’s.
i understand you don’t have time. but part of the reason the thread is 30 pages long is because people like you (who are trying to help) are just rehashing things that have already been talked about 5 times but they didn’t read the thread so they post the same points again. you can see why this is frustrating right?
your points have already been addressed is what i’m saying.
i’m not going to repeat it all but basically…
capcom already sold the arcades the expensive cabs when sf4 came out.
ssf4 doesn’t need new cabs. arcades would only need to buy the new rom (which is just a computer hard drive for the taito x2)
capcom is screwing over the arcade owners who invested in the taito x2’s because they lead them to believe that they would keep developing for it and new street fighters would be on the same setup.
japan cannot put consoles in their cabs for legal and other reasons. (small privately owned arcades in japan might, but most of the ones you hear about are owned by large corporations like sega. they are not going to do this)
and the petition is basically arcade release in japan. sf4 never got an arcade release in the US in the first place. we just import the cabs. so basically no matter where it is released, as long as it’s available… it is basically a global release.