Petition for arcade release of SSF4

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
721

This is pretty anecdotal, but I spent a week in Osaka this month and got almost no SF comp, even at the arcades w/ 4 or more Viewlix cabs. Always saw people on Gundum/Tekken/Bemani/those weird card games/pachinko.

I dunno if Osaka is like a dead area or I was going at bad times, but on a Saturday for 3 hours I only had 3 SFIV players (all good though) at a nice location while T6:BR had onlookers and a line.We stopped at every arcade we saw and I only played 2 other people all week, even at places where I sat down and ran through arcade mode waiting for someone to try to play Scrape the Gaijin on me. And they lost once and left :stuck_out_tongue:

Arcades still seemed pretty popular but maybe SFIV isn’t doing well overall there, I dunno. After seeing how well SFIV did at least in the U.S. on console, I can see why Capcom wouldn’t want to keep supporting arcade sadly. I think of course it sucks for Japan and like the 3 serious arcades the U.S. has, but I don’t think it’s not going to affect the health of the game overall, in today’s age – in terms of skill level or game sales.

722

Damn that is so depressing that T6:BR had a line but you had trouble even getting matches for SF4.

Wow…just wow.

:shake:
723

Maybe Capcom is waiting until after the console version comes out to release the arcade version so that they can be sure that the console version is the same as the arcade one this time, since the console versions can be patched.

724

I think it’s safe to say that our community will be moving on to this shiny, awesome new version of the game regardless.

I just don’t want to see other parts of the world get left behind. {:frowning:

Look at how HDR’s console exclusivity splintered the international ST scene. Without any discussion on which version is the superior one, it’s such a shame that the game’s global player base has been divided.

One might argue that they’re letting themselves be left behind–which is certainly a valid point in some respects–but you cannot underestimate the result of a new game simply not being distributed in the format to which the bulk of a nation’s serious players is accustomed.

Excluding the few cities outside of Japan that still have great and up-to-date arcades (and that’s hard to do because I just finally moved to one after literally years of silly childhood dreaming hahah), the more I think about this, I want SSF4 to have an arcade release not for our sake, but for theirs.

If you haven’t already, please sign the petition. It can only help make the scene better… both ours and theirs. Help your fellow players get the goodness that you will be getting too.

725

you went to the wrong places or at bad times. did u go to mist 2 @ umeda or sega avion @ namba? cause i dont have a problem finding comp at either of these 2 places. also video city reno (where i recorded my vids at) had all the grandmasters (nike, chari, uryo) there at once so maybe u didnt know where to go

not really bro.

726

Yeah but it DOES just go to prove a point, that console playtime is up while arcade playtime is down. It’s just easier to find games in Japan/Korea that are not mega laggy due to the land size + population density.

727

I’m very tired of this nonsense that an arcade release impacts only Japan. It impacts China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, and South Korea, and probably other arcade scenes in Asia that I don’t even know about. It impacts Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Auckland, and Christchurch. It impacts Honolulu, Vancouver, Seattle, NorCal, the LA area, Tempe, Austin, Philadelphia, NYC, Toronto, a smattering of college campuses across North America, and probably some places I don’t even know about. I know London and Ankara have arcades, and I know parts of Mexico, Brazil, and Argentina do too. All these places have scenes that are driven to at least some extent by arcades, and again, there are for sure other places as well.

Like I’ve always said in these conversations, if you don’t have an arcade where you live, then I’m real sorry about that, but don’t throw the very large number of arcade players under the bus just because you yourself don’t have arcades. There are lots of big cities that don’t have any good arcades, but you know what? There are also lots that do.

I’m totally down with paying a small fee to have central locations I can go to randomly, usually find random opponents to play at, and meet and hang out with friends at. I’m not willing to give up arcade culture and I expect that many other arcade players feel the same way.

That said, I think we’ll be able to work around this. Some arcades, like Family Fun Arcade, already have console setups that they charge time- or play-based rates for, and I think that model will be adopted by lots of arcades. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if every arcade or LAN center adopted that model. Obviously it’s unimportant whether the cabinet/stick I’m playing on is hooked up to an arcade board or a 360. And presumably a console plus a copy of SSF4 plus sticks and labor to set up a Cigarbob-style cab is gonna be cheaper than the retardedly overpriced original SF4 arcade kit.

Unfortunately I’m sure there will still be some arcades that don’t go for that setup whether because of unfamiliarity with it or whatever else. I feel bad for players whose arcades refuse to adopt that kind of thing. They’ll have to choose between their arcade scene and playing SSF4, and that’s a pretty crappy choice to have to make.

Obviously I’d prefer a straight arcade release (priced a little more reasonably than the vanilla SF4 kit) released at about the same time as the console versions. But I don’t expect a console-only release to kill arcades.

728

That, or he just happened to go to arcades with a strong Tekken/Gundam/etc… fanbase and didn’t hit up the ones known for SF.

Maybe?

729

Probably, more then likely.

730

tekken and gundam have been more popular at japanese arcades for a long time.

but i think people are missing the point, just because there’s something more popular doesn’t mean that sf4 isn’t popular there.

they have a large arcade scene which means a lot of people are playing different things there.

it’s like saying halo is more popular than sf4 in the US.
this is true but so what? there’s still a lot of people playing sf4.

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No, we don’t need the Japanese to hold our hands to play a game. We have been doing it for a decade now with MVC2.
Not to disrespect Valle and the rest of you guys, but you are picking on the easy one.
What about the 2nd aspect of no Arcade release-
Arcade games in Japan that lack on the competitive level don’t get any play or at least get a lot of negative feedback. So the companies are forced to give a shit about balancing and patching and improving.
Meanwhile on console, us competitive players are the tiny minority. I think we all want the next SF4 version’s changes to be based on the feedback of the most hardcore of players, and not to be catering solely for the console crowd which is a majority of casuals.
Casuals won’t even care about glitches, infinites, option selects or whatever that can ruin the game for us the competitive players, so Capcom won’t be forced to change them since 99% of the people will buy the game anyways.
In that sense, the Japanese arcade players are the devil’s advocates that will make sure the game will be the best it can be (or they will stop pumping coins in the machines), and the competitive console player usually ripe those fruits, but with SSF4 being for console players, expect Ken to get the one of biggest nerfs.

732

I can say one good thing has come of this thread so far. A money match between me and a fellow SRK’er :smiley:

guy above me You obvioulsy have yet to play casual players in MvC2 online with magneto infinites. They do care lol.

733

QFT.

It’s not just about the mikado vids peeps. There’s more to the arcade release than just Japan.

734

Yeah I typed that out and hit Submit then went… no it doesn’t… meh oh well.

735

Well, here’s a bit a of logic for you, sir:

First of all…how old are you? You seem a bit irrational. This is a videogame, meant to be enjoyed by the masses regardless of who is or is not playing it. If you decide not to play the game based on the belief that your main competitor will not play it, then don’t waste your time here. What good is it posting on a thread that will no doubt be sickered at by the Capcom Marketing department? Do you think that they are willing to invest in the epensive process of having Taito manufacture the necessary harware to house their game for arcade use?

Logic would tell you that satisfying the needs of 400 tournament bound players far and away undermines the fact that they are producing this game for a broad audience. The broad audience translates to console players which in turn translates to cash for Capcom. Ono definitely cares about the tournament scene, but I’m afraid Capcom does not. You, along with the Japanese community that plays the game need to open your minds to the changing enviroment. The way I see it, if you want the scene to continue, you will take the steps necessary to do so.

Instead of trying to belittle my opinions, I think your energy would best be served as a means to perpetuate the scene once the new game arrives.
That, sir…is much more logical than anything that I’ve read in your response. Do you understand how business logic works?

If you clearly do not believe that the scene can be saved without an Arcade version, then my condolences. I’m sorry for your loss. Take it easy, man. This is just a videogame. There will come a time in your life when you will look back upon all this and laugh…I was once just like you. I laugh about it all the time, thinking about how silly my ideals were.

One more thing:

I never said Fuck Japan. I like Japan and it’s people. I want to one day visit the country with my wife and son. I’m no redneck either. I love living in the U.S and have served in the Army, but I’m not some flag toting, star spangle bannered super patriot. Keep the insults to yourself. Apparently, something I said in my earlier posts struck a chord in you. My apologies.

But I’ll stick by what i say:

I honestly believe than non-Japanese players can be every bit as good as Japanese players. Don’t shoot yoursel’ves in the foot by thinking otherwise. If the Japanese players decide not to play, so be it. Either follow them to the next big game or continue to play and enjoy the various versions of SF4. There will be no changing Capcom’s decision to forego an Arcade release given the current market climate. Trust me on this.

Peace

736

Add a zero to that number and you are much closer to an accurate figure.

SB4 has (last time I checked) an estimated ~300 players signed up for SF4 alone.

And its just a midwest tourney…it is not even close to the entire US scene…and the US scene is not even close to half of the total worldwide scene.

737

And please… For you that don’t care out there… Don’t need an arcade, because we don’t need help from japan… Out of prinsip is against making capcom spend money on something you think is useless… PLEASE sign the petition anyway… Look at the poll guys… So many here believe an arcade scene is important for the global fighting community, so why not help us to voice our opinion? The majority wants this really bad, so why not help us, if you don’t really care? At best we are right, and you will bennefit from this, at worst, you will feel no differense!

And if you actually believe an arcade scene will make it worse… Then so be it… I won’t force you to do something you are against, but PLEASE lend a hand if you are indifferent:)

738

Because the MAJORITY voted for Bush.

739

They also care about Sagat’s damage in SF4, but they won’t care about stuff like d+lp+lk option select which has a huge impact on high level gameplay as well.

740

Very good sir. That is the way it should be…

Peace