Confederates wanted slavery.
The Confederacy was another country. And even so, the parties in the 1800s that were for-slavery weren’t exclusively founded to maintain it.
The closest thing to a party founded exclusively to harm people in America were the Dixiecrats, and they were losers to the point that they were barely competitive. But nobody likes the Dixiecrats…
hmmm…kinda like the dutch pedophile party…gasp
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Read this. Aloud. Ten times. This man holds the truth. Although given the high level of rational thought you’ve shown in the thread so far I severely doubt it can get inside your thick skull.
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And angryliberal is the one contradicting himself? You’re a joke. And a bad one to boot, you just dodge the questions you know would throw your argument directly to the ground.
Conformist people is not new, although I’ve noticed that this attitude shows more and more in heavily media-fear-controlled countries like US and Mex. I wanna move to Canada.
I feel your rage. You can look and even suck boobs till they stop squirting, but then you can’t even mention them aloud till you’re old enought to be already frustrated for not being able to touch them.
Anyway… Writing seems fitting, as you seem to have a good word flow (unlike me). And I’ve always found your posts entertaining even when I disagree with what you say. Have you considered studying a bit of communcations? It sure boosts you, I’m studying graphical design + communications and I have found a lot of relationships between Desmond Morris’(Naked Ape, Human Zoo) etological-psychology approach and the technics used by publicists to get ideas into people skulls. See how my flow sucks? I hi-jack my own posts. Guess I just wanted to say how IMHO it can help to an aspiring writer.
Back on topic: I read somewhere that being attracted to little girls is actually latent denied homosexuality. You know, how being attracted to girls with no breasts is the closest thing to a man-like body without accepting you like guys; but I can’t find the article anymore, I recall it was written by someone with a background heavy enough to make those claims. Anybody know anything about this?
yeah, i’ll probably have some communicatiosn classes in my program.
on the attraction to little girls thing, i’ve never actually heard that, but i’ve only done a very limited study of pedophilia and its motivations/causes/etc.
They did that cuz they hated Jews, who did nothing wrong, and who never do anything detrimental to people. Pedophiles are different. They do bad things to kids, and if they haven’t yet, they will when they get a chance. How hard is this for you to understand? Wait…are YOU one?
sorry about taking such a long time to post, my graphics card’s green color finally died on me, and it’s hard as hell staring at a flourescent blue and hot pink screen for long periods of time. :sad:
more like: thinking of a turban and getting jailed or worse for it.
lol, no need to revel in your own misinterpretation of the thread :razz:
:lol: and Shaft Agent stands in the background, grunting and mumbling about powerlevels while not offering any help…
now that’s interesting. i’d like to read more about that theory. got a link?
i dunno about any of you guys, but given the chance to make porn at age 6, i woulda
age 12 isn’t even a CHILD anymore, it’s a fucking post pubescent age. it’s only been in the last 200 years or so that the age is even considered not to be an ADULT.
people are biologically designed to be fucking machines as soon as puberty hits.
if you’re old enough to masturbate, you’re old enough to have sex. EVERYONE acts more mature as they age. even if you’re 30, you’ll think you were all immature and shit when you were 25. kids and adults are just as easily tricked into sex. you can sweet talk all sorts of people.
i dunno, i lost my virginity at 15 to a 14 year old. but if i had been 25, all of you would say that she WASN"T in love with me, but i had exploited her into thinking she was in love with me. but since i was 15, no one gives a shit. that’s pretty wack to me.
you guys should come hang with me a couple of days, and see for yourself the temptation i am surrouded by jail bait all the time, hot bootylicious 15 year old mexican girls:lovin: i am really fighting the temptation since i am 25:wgrin: but sooner or later i will fall:wink:
wow that is has got to be one of the most ignorant statements ive ever heard. ANd it saddnes me that people think that way. Maybe you are not understanding the definition of pedophile? Or maybe you also think it is a terrible and punishable crime to simpley “hate” Jews (or anyone for that matter)?
I can understand how some people like you might think it is a good idea to Jail everyone in the KKK, even if they havent beaten or mudered any black men yet , simply because “they will given the chance”. But I still believe that is a terrible and unrealistic assumption and not one to take such drastic measures one…AND I AM NOT A MEMER OF THE KKK JUST BECAUSE I THINK THAT!
No, I don’t think like that.
I understand the definition of pedophile…but I also know what pedophiles DO, whenever they get the chance. Chances that society pretty much foist upon all of us, at one time or another, whether we seek the company of kids or not, unless youlive someplace where your nearest neighbor is 20 miles away, and you get your stuff all delivered, and grow/raise your own food.
It isn’t a crime to hate others…but to ACT upon it, like the murderers in question, yeah, that’s wrong. Are you defending them? Are you that one kid everyone here has met in school who was asked to do a report on a famous person he idolizes, and chose Hitler?
About the KK: The KKK may talk a lot of shit, but they don’t go out killing non-whites. It happens every now and then, but it’s not their goal. Their goal (at the moment) is simply to rally together white people in hatred of minorities under the guise of being good Christians, not to actively wipe them out. They don’t have the balls to do that…yet, and they seeem to have toned it down over the last 8 years or so.
However, people WILL act on their fetishes, given the opportunity. Pedophiles who don’t actively search for kids WILL invariably find an “accidental opportunity” (incidental, like an ex-smoker finding a lit ciggy in a nearby ashtray that someone left cuz they were done) where it’s just them and 1 or more kids, no witnesses. Guess what’s gonna happen. Everybody at one time or another, single or not, has been in a situation where they’re alone with kids. Cool. But to a ped, it’s a sexual opportunity. Do you know what happens when horniness and a fetish toward kids wages war with decency? Decency’s outnumbered there, scooter. And like Ruckus said “You don’t even know what happened. You come to in a puddle of sweat with a deep sense of satisfaction.” And guess what? The fact that most hardcore peds are 50-60 year old men indicates that they may not have been practicing when they were still young and able to get some from women…but once that avenue of sexual release dried up, they took whatever they could, and had a leaning toward. So it’s GONNA happen. They will tag a kid before they die of old age. They get all horny and can’t get any anymore, well, the trusting kids start to look pretty good.
Can you really not see the contradictions here?
And no i diddnt idolize hitler, But i can understand how its possible, due to ignorance and bias, to Hate a particular group of people, and i do not believe that should be against the law. I am not defending Murder, just defending the possibility of Hate. Hitler crossed the line when he acted on it and Murdered people. Murder I believe is wrong. Just as I do rape and exploitation is wrong.
Yes thats exactly true. But just as not all KKK members are murderers “…yet” . Not all pedophiles are rapists and molesters. A Pedophile is someone whos Penis goes up when shown a picture of a naked child…THATS IT…and to want to jail someone for their unconsious thoughtts is just incredibly scary.
I definitly dont believe that you (or anyone else) has the power to predict the future in such extreame detial about 1 person, let along an entire GROUP of people. Especialy not enough detial to merrit a crime and punishment bassed soley on assumptions. Again only the subcionsious thoughs makes someone a pedophile…ones they ACT on it however, they become child molosters, child predators, and child rapists, which is something tottaly different. Something that SHOULD be punished.
But by allowing people to watch child porn, are you not giving indirect assistance to people who make child porn by not taking away their market? In and of itself, watching CP hurts no-one, and your argument holds true. However, by not taking action which hurts the makers of child porn, are you not indirectly harming victems of pederasts?
You seem to have a pretty low opinion of the human race if you think people will inevitably choose their desires over thier sense of decency. According to your logic, a monk who is shut away from women but retains his sex drive WILL commit rape if he gets a chance. Put like that it deosn’t wash with me. You’re simply exploiting negative views of pedophilles to colour perception.
angryliberal: 2 ignorant dumb kid: -10
Going into a whole new debate here, but, the monk will not commit rape because he’s got a stronger desire to achieve nirvana (or whatever it is he commits his life to). Likewise when (and if) you give money to the poor you’re not doing so for charity, you’re doing so because it makes you feel better. We only do things that make us feel good/pleasure.
this is a great point, but the problem is, if there’s no market would it still get made? all signs lead to yes. hell, go on empornium and check out what’s seeded more: it’s not always some random Vivid Video release featuring some overpaid whore, most of the time it’s some dude that fucked his wife and uploaded it. and just to make this clear: i’m all for the punishment of cp makers. conversely, what’s to stop these guys to go to a country where sex laws are different and take a video camera to a whore house? just because WE look down on girls that are under 18, doesn’t mean other countries do.
hoooo boy. Now we’re talking philosiphy. Your argument holds if we accept that man is selfish and dominated entirely by his own will to power. it fails to do so if we accept that man is essentially good and commits wrong because he believes it to be right (in this case the pederast would be saying “it must be good because it feels good”). Even if you are right, what’s to say the pedophile doesn’t get greater pleasure from overcoming his urges? It sounds a little hollow to me too, but it must apply to somebody and guy who made the point Iwas responding to seemed to imply his idea of pedophiles held true for all of them. But now we’re discussing toally opposite views of humanity, and niether of us is God, so this is a wee bit of a dead end.
Good point. After all, there must be easier ways to make cash than a highly illegal activity that inherently has witnesses and will bring a lynch mob on your ass. It might stop a small minority who get off feeding a market but it would also deny pedophiles struggling with conscience of a method of harmless relase.
It’s incredibly hypocritical to support pedophiles who don’t act on their desires, to empathize with them…but then once they do act, to demonize them and say that they’re bad people.
It’s the same person.
Every drug addict who quits will have a relapse. You can’t talk about how great and selfless they are to live your life that way…but if you ever make one, incredibly easy mistake…oh, you’re the scum of the earth.
How open-minded.
It’s not like all pedophiles are monsters…sex offenders very often have a past history of abuse, which lends to being a shitty person. However, a pedophile who is otherwise “normal,” can easily find himself viewing child pornography or even approaching children. The people in this thread have already explained how.
“Oh, well the Romans and Greeks back in the day used to…”
“Just because OUR SOCIETY says it’s a taboo to have sex with children…”
“I’m just more independant and free with my sexual identity…I don’t let society tell me…”
On top of that, you have people who are actually in love with children. There are some pedophiles who just want to sex up some kids, I suppose, but there are definitely others who actually love children. They belive that they’re helping kids understand their sexuality, and expressing their LOVE to children, etc.
It takes not only strong “morals” whatever the hell that means, but a rather deep insight and clarity of mind that most non-pedos don’t even have, to act “normal.” To exile themselves…never being around kids, never looking at pornography, never babysitting…your little niece or nephew wants to come over, but you can’t let it happen. You can’t even look at ads for kids’ clothes in the newspaper for two seconds, so your brain doesn’t go places you don’t want it to…same with TV. You can never be around kids or have kids of your own, because you know what will happen.
Seems hypocritical to acknowledge how severity of the desires, but then seem upset when they’re so easily followed.
But, the admiration is mostly false, like I said earlier: you might be able to appreciate what he’s done, but you’d never let this guy around your kids. You probably wouldn’t want to talk to him or associate with him at all, other than maybe picking his brain about his handicap, or finding out how “normal” he is. It’s just a bunch of “Oh, you’re so closed-minded, because…” self-indulgent bullshit, to feel more evolved than other people.
The reality of the situation, is that most of these people don’t exist, I’m sure; be aware that a lot of these people actually touch kids, and look at child porn.
This is not some special case. This is someone with the same sex drive as the rest of us, but wants to havee sex with kids. …they’re going to do it.
Even the most weaksauce, timid, Gaia Online nerd kids will eventually get laid, even if he has to pay for it. The urge is that strong. We’re not talking about this being comprabale to rape because your’e horny (btw: Prison, being alone with other dudes at sea, etc…even straight guys will have gay sex…gay sex is fairly repulsive to straight men)…in the eyes of a pedophile, this is just like…never having sex, ever, or even looking at porn; even masturbating would throw fuel on the fire.
Since the day before forever, people have tried to stop other people from having sex, and it never works. People used to say that if you masturbated, you would go blind, or insane…do you think there’s ever been any point in history where men have stopped masturbating? People would say that if you had sex before getting married, your ETERNAL SOUL would be DAMNED TO HELL…yeah…no. People still did it, they just said their prayers, or got married/an abortion/went to a nunery afterwards, out of fear. How easy would it be to convince yourself that nothing was REALLY wrong with sex, or that you’d be forgiven because it’s and act of LOVE, etc… To do that for your entire life? Not to mention when you’re a kid…kids molest other kids, too…
Didn’t Henry VIII start a whole new religion so he could bang chicks who weren’t his wife?
So, how do you think it would work with pedophiles? Give me a reason why the abstinence (let’s say total, which I find to be rather unrealistic) would be higher than that staggering recidivism/re-offending rate.
I know there are some (crazy) people who don’t like to believe in human nature, because everyone’s and individual, and we all make our own destiny and all of that other BS…if that’s the case, just think of it as a pattern.
And, about having an open mind…wow, no.
The talk in this thread about “well, just because our society says it’s wrong to have sex with kids, that doesn’t mean…” yeah, hold on a second.
How about…everyone has a bias against having sex with kids. But a FEW societies don’t. It’s THAT SOCIETY which allows it (!! OMDarwin!), whereas the natural predisposition would be to reject it. I know that doesn’t make you feel better than your peers for haivng such and open mind, but consider it might be true.
I’m willing to bet that pretty much anyone around the world would react negatively to a video of some guy performing fellatio on an 11-year-old boy, or a 6-year-old girl jerking someone off. People talking about a 17-year-old is a bit different, but young kids?
There’s all kinds of shit that happens…“common” is not “normal,” not exactly. Fatal car accidents are common, but they won’t happen to +99% of people. Cannibalism used to happen all the time…but, when people have better options, those things tend to happen much less.
If it became socially acceptable in ancient Greece for men to have sex with young boys (assuming that’s true to the extent which everyone accepts)…why is that equivalent to…I don’t know, +98% of earth not digging it? But if someone says it’s weird…OMRaynd, they’re judging…no one society/culture/person is better than another…WE’RE wrong, because we’re being closed-minded? Very often, society follows what people already feel, not just the other way around.
Sometimes people are just weird. Don’t disregard normalcy because you don’t want someone to feel bad, or need to feel you’re more free/smart than someone else.
To immdiately lock-up/exile anyone who is a pedophile, regardless of whether or not they’ve done anything is one of those (many)things which is a rule of society because it’s how people feel, not the other way around. I’d be willing to bet money that even the people who argue against it feel the same way. The opposing view, that you can’t punish people if you don’t have evidence that they’ve done anything is all great, and sounds good, but does even less to address the fact that pedophiles aren’t just possible criminals, like anyone else, but are rather probable criminals, than the view of the people who want them burned alive.
BTW, I think it was Psycho Mistress who mentioned the story about the pedophile (pederast, whatever) cutting his own penis off.
Maybe it was a different story, but the one I heard on the radio last week involved a convicted pedophile on his way to a hearing of some sort, IIRC. He says he wants to look good in the courtroom, and asks a guard for a razor. The guy is still locked in his cell, so the guard reluctantly agrees…
The prisoner bites into the plastic shaving razor to get the blade out, stuffs an apple his his mouth to muffle his screams (btw: ), and proceeds to cut off his own testicles, and then flush them down the toilet.
So, he didn’t cut his wang off (if you were talking about the same story…I can’t imagine this would be so common as for it to not be), he castrated himself. According to some doctor who studies the stuff, castration has a high rate of efficiency, according to some doctor who I guess was studying the rate of re-offenders, or something. Though, it doesn’t realy help so much in cases of violent rape, where the crime is more about the power and less about the sex.
This guy was up for parole though, IIRC…so of course this makes him look really good to a judge. Though, as one of the hots on the radio show I was listening to mentioned…“it’s hard to doubt his commitment.”
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Yes, but playing devil’s advocate is a lot easier than justifying something you inherently feel. Nice arguments there.
No, it’s not the same story. In the story I read the guy had his removed in surgery.
Actually, it’s not as uncommon as you think. A lot of pedophiles, while in prison, have the procedure done either chemically or by surgery.
Has anyone even taken the time to read the criminal and mental health profiles of pedophiles?
The pedophile’s most sacred possession in the world is their collection of child porn/erotica. Out of the three types: closet, isolated, and sharer, all of them become very attached and rely on their collection. Two out of the three types will molest consistently.
Why do they have these collections? This is really good and I’m not gonna muck it up with my own words…
I figure that once in prison, they no longer have access to their collection and have, for the most part, lost their security blanket. So, the need consumes them until they have no choice but to have themselves castrated in an attempt to stop what’s eating away at them. I think this may be why the castration rate is higher in prison than those who are free. They obviously can’t get to children there and, as we all know, they are not treated very nicely by fellow inmates.
Now really…if prison inmates take extreme offense to child lovers, then how do people expect the general population to take it?
Anyway, I think the reason the story I read was so special is because the guy was a free-man and he had a choice - molest or get castrated. What makes that so odd is that most pedophiles remain in a state of denial. But this guy knew what he wanted/did was wrong and he had to put a stop to it.
And, to those getting hung up on the word pedophile. Really, it’s not like they could come out and say “Child Molester party to contest Dutch Election”. The word is meant to include anyone who has desires for children. Whether it’s those brave enough to molest or those who are too afraid and just don’t have the balls to do it.
And by the way, the reason some pedophiles never get around to molesting children is not because they know it’s wrong. It’s because they are too afraid to actually go through with it and have never been put in a situation where they felt secure enough to offend.
I gotta go to work.