Online Yun hate is getting ridiculous

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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Okay now, I don’t agree on nerfing Yun, but listen to yourself.

LK Up-kicks into Super does a crazy amount of damage and puts Yun in the best position in the game (corner, safe-jump, unblockable* ect.) Also, STFU about AA LK Up-kicks. Not only does it not need to be anti-air (ground LK Up-kicks connects into Genei-Jin), that’s a rediculous punish for a jump in. Not even GG characters get gain that much advantage from punishing a jump-in.

Other RELIABLE ways to land a Genei-Jin = ANY poke into LP Shoulder. Yeah Ryu can do this, but he doesn’t get as much damage from this, and he doesn’t end up in the game’s best position does he? Only character I can think of that’s on par with Yun’s Super combos is Gen, and he isn’t running around with a command grab with (good) dive-kicks.

Also Yun can AA with Ultra (easy, painful) into Genei-Jin.

You want to know what’s OP? [Command Grab, cr.MP, st.MP, LP Shoulder xx Genei-Jin]. Yun only needs like 78% of his meter for this to work. He does more damage of his command grab and Super than Makoto does (without Super). Think about that for a second, he has better Okizeme too.

Fei-Long is number one because he’s the most consistant character that doesn’t have a very hard time with Grapplers. If Zangief wasn’t scary for Yun, trust me, Mago and Daigo would agree on Yun being the very best.

  • By unblockable I mean something of which the other player cannot react to.

P.S. I think Yun would actually do okay in GG, lol.
P.S.S. You probably wouldn’t care if they gave him a 2-hit DP that was FADC-able, because it’d “stop you from using GJ” or something.

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He’s a lot stronger than 90% of the cast, but that’s because most of the characters in this game are ass.

I cannot stress this enough, in Vanilla Yun wouldn’t even be top 5. How can you call that “OP” or “BS”.

He definitely needs SOME nerfs, just not what most of the people here are proposing, otherwise he’ll end up being like Super’s Sagat.

Honestly, I should only be happy if the nerfed Yun and Yang to the ground, that would make my main character I’ve been playing since Vanilla (akuma) the strongest character in the game. I’d go as far as saying that he’d be the “new Yun”.
And we all know that Capcom probably isn’t gonna nerf Akuma more than they already did. Yet I look at this game from an OBJECTIVE point of view and Yun just isn’t the overpowered bullshit character people are making him to be. That’s Vanilla akuma. That’s Vanilla sagat. That’s ST Akuma. that’s CvS Nakoruru. Definitely not AE Yun.

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mayor weakness of Fei long? he have em. for example to get near you can react to CW if he’s on the other side of the screen he doesn’t build so much meter while no one leave Yun at fullscreen because he build too much meter with palms.

“he can combo GJ only from shoulder or tc” then you said yourself even with lk.dk and you forgot to mention that should can be started from any single poke

and btw lollo i even wonder if you are playing street fighter or GG because it’s clear that you don’t understand this game if you say “Yun is fine as is”, or “All the people should play top tier” now go be to the online warrior scrub empire.

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Almost all weaknesses I stated for Fei and Viper can give you a FULL COMBO when used properly. If thats isnt a major weakness then I dont know anymore. Yang’s “weakness” is what keeps him from being OP. Yun doesnt have that restriction. You discard their major weaknesses like they’re nothing while Fei and Viper werent changed that much but werent top tier in the previous versions. So they were perfect characters to begin with?

-As I said, Fei is extremely prone to focus attacks since he doesnt have a good focus breaker. Almost all characters can take advantage of that to get a full combo in on Fei. He could guess by doing a double rekka but that leaves him at a punishable framedisadvantage. His damage output is high, thats true…but you can simply nerf that part, you dont have to change whole specials or heavily mess around with frame data.
-Focussing on REACTION (ya moron) is a good way to disable her burn kicks (Im a Viper player since Vanilla so I know). If you disable just that aspect of her she has to take a lot more risks to put pressure on you since she has to resort to T. knuckles and Seismos, both easily dodged and punishable by the whole cast by just doing a N-jump and a airborne normal.
-You stated the ONLY special that Yang has thats safe and say he has a ton? His slashes dont even have that much reach. He has low damage output (untill genei jin), low health and cant put up pressure constantly unless you’re in the corner (who cant?). His teleport is like Abel’s; you can grab him out of it. Only his meter building is OP.
-Gouki…low health, bad pokes, fireball has a lot of recovery and has trouble with characters that can get around his zoning effectively. Dont you know this? What game have you been playing?

Anywayz, I was able to tell you the top tiers weaknesses, except for Yun. You couldnt find any and the agreements were clear sooooooo…you’re a scrub full of hot air and I was right. :smiley:

People you can stop hating on superlollo, he just proved that he’s a biased scrub full of hot air. He cant recognize a OP character if it hit him in the face!

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Not too bad really. Cr.MP, s.HK and Cr.mk are quite decent, if not better than the majority of the cast. Fireball is 1 frame start up slower than Ryu but recover 1 frame faster. Only the Air fireball and the HP Shakunetsu have long recovery, but it is a freaking AIR FIREBALL and 3 hit fireball.

And btw, akuma zoning is for slow character, his power remain in his vortex. No one can deny that

Agree on everything. Yang is not for beginners. His rekka can be fadc but the range is crap, and why the hell that nearly every single move that both Yun and Yang have, Yang has the worse version. Palm not float mode, slower command grab, less palm damage, slower Dive kick, i mean wth?

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yang’s palms are actually better since he has 3 different versions (ex, mp and hp). Yun only has ex and hp (mp is the same). Yang’s mp palm does less damage but is sooooo much faster.

Tiger San: First of all let me tell you that you’re probably the most stupid kid on srk.

ok now let’s play your “major weakness game” following your rules, lol: Yun’s dive kicks can be focus back dashed to get away safe and you can even get a focus crumple if he’s hitting you too high. His godlike shoulder can also be focused and all versions are negative on block. He has only one good footsie normal which is s.mp. His ex lunge can be stuffed by any non low normal in the game and can be neutral jumped for a full combo punish (such a bad move, boooooooooooo). His dp cannot be FADCed and can be safe jumped. This obviously means that his wakeup is bad. Wow, this must be a major weakness His dive kicks do close to no hit/block stun, way less than yang’s or rufus. This means that if you don’t space them perfectly you’re fucked. His c.mk has ass range and his U2 is ass and only useful vs. Sagat and maybe ryu. Oh and he only has 50 life more than akuma: this HAS to be a major weakness, LOL.

I’m obviously joking, but the shocking thing is that you’re serious when you say that burn kicks not being armor breakers and rekkas being risky because they’re neutral jumpable are major weaknesses. You obviously don’t consider that even if you focus one of her burn kicks viper still has 200 ways to fuck you up (and also has a safe on block armor breaker) and that being too neutral jump happy against fei will get you killed in 20 seconds anyways.

Also using focus vs Fei is VERY risky. Because if you’re baiting him by charging focus and back dashing, he can react to your backlash with fierce rekka and tag you. bam, now you’re cornered and good luck getting raped. Not to mention his CW, which breaks armor and is neutral on block and leads to 350+ damage on hit. Oh and he can also chain 2 rekkas to fuck up your focus…but wait, you baited him and blocked his 2nd rekka: and what if he decides to frame trap you with the 3rd hit? The situation is still unfavorable for him, but it’s not like a blocked 2 hit rekka always means that Fei will get punished bad.

What game (or better, what players) have you been playing all this time? Only complete scrubs I guess. And you’re probably even worse than them.

And what’s that bunch of smoking shit you said about akuma? His only real weakness is his health. His zoning is the best in the game (ok, maybe second to guile, but akuma wins the fireball war with any projectile character). He has pretty good footsie normals and the best walking speed in the game (which automatically makes his footsie normals and tick throw game even better). He’s full of frame traps, has a decent kara throw and he has the best okizeme in the game. Not to mention he also has the best wakeup defense in the whole game with the best teleport in the game and a 3 frame hit confirmable, FADCable dp. His U1 is actually a great AA and prevents people from using focus attack. Not to mention it’s always good to punish mistakes with a 510 damage ultra that ALSO gives you a free mixup afterwards. His U2 is decent, nothing spectacular but it has his uses in a few match ups (for example any blocked ex messiah is a free U2, no matter the followup rufus decides to use)

Really, it’s so evident you have no idea AT ALL about how this game works that it makes me wonder why you’re even on this forum? The fact that you play viper and really think that focus attacks are a MAJOR weakness for her makes me think you’re REALLY bad at using burn kicks and ex seisms. No, wait, you’re bad at using her entire move set.
It’s obvious that you’re a scrub and you’re playing against scrubs, but at least watch some fucking youtube videos! EVO just finished. 1st place Fei and 2nd place Viper. I saw all of Latif’s and all of Fudo’s matches and I didn’t saw those GLARING MAJOR WEAKNESSES getting exploited by other players AT ALL. How comes? Yun is so OP, why didn’t he win? Why were there more Vipers than Yun’s in top 8? Why was there an equal number of Fei and Yun’s in top 32? But I wanna stress this even more so i’m gonna ask again: Why did those players using that OVERPOWERED character not exploit Fei and Viper’s glaring major weaknesses?

Yeah i’m a scrub full of hot air, lol

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Don’t worry, by the end of the year I’m sure Yun will be toned down and if you’re still playing AE alongside 3S, you most likely won’t get the hate. Personally, I’m hoping Ono and team don’t castrate Yun, but instead make the rest of the cast better. Either way, I predict by early 2012 we’ll see the who the “real” Yun players are, while the fair weather fans move onto the next designated top tier. Kinda like what happened with Sagat when we transitioned from Vanilla to Chocolate. Only people left playing him where those that really loved him.

As for me: Makoto in 3s, Makoto in Super, Makoto in AE, Makoto FOREVER!!! No changing characters for me. I know who I love.

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Haha, you completely fell for it :smiley: I was trolling you so hard and you actually responded with a super long post! Normal people would be like “whatever man”, but you clearly are a different calibur of man. You’re what I like to call the “know-it-all scrub”.
My last words for you. Both Viper and Fei have received just minor buffs. Why werent they top tier back then if no really significant changes were made? Cuz the rest of the cast got nerfed HARD thats why.

As for EVO:
-_-, You mean the fact that Yun is winning more tournies than V Sagat doesnt mean anything cuz of EVO? You mad that Daigo didnt win, huh? Fei and Viper dont win too much tournies, but now that EVO is won by a Fei you be trippin.You need to stop with the hatecrimes.
As for you not seeing pro’s abuse weaknesses, its called mindgames. You know you’re weaknesses and you know your opponent knows of them. So what are you going to do? Wait ofcourse, untill you know what he’s trying to do.Your opponent knows that and will refrain from doing the obvious to prevent getting countered himself. Yomi’s son.

Anywayz, this is starting to bore me. We’ll let the the audience decide who is full of it and who’s not.

To all people seeing this, who of us is right?

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So what does this post tell me? The few right things you said ( well, one thing actually, fei and viper being strong because of nerfs to other characters) were REALLY obvious, and the rest of the reply is senseless shit like all your last posts. I especially liked the part about the mindgames, that really made zero sense, lol. Latif and wolfkrone were spamming bks left and right and no one was focusing. Yomi, lololololol. Or maybe the move is that good and focus isn’t a good, reliable answer?

Btw, i responded with a very long post because i was hoping you could actually understand something about tthis game and i wanted to be helpful to a poor scrub like you, but no, you’re hopeless.

Let’s see what the audience thinks about our last posts, haha, ok kid

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Yep they complain about the so called God like Cody? People are just garbage at this game and look for excuses for when they lose.

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why are mods letting this thread live?

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If Ono said they purposely made Yun stronger before the game came out, he admitted that he was too strong while the game was out and theres a patch coming out for that same reason along with a public apology from Ono and the stats say the Yun is winning more tournaments than Vanilla Sagat…how are you still defending it?

But you see this is where we differ. I could easily point out the many flaws in your posts and give in to your provoking, but unlike you Imma say this:

Whateva man, a patch is coming out so Capcom says Im right.

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You still didn’t understand a very simple thing: I also think that Yun needs SOME nerfs. (although the fact that they made him STRONGER doesn’t equate to him being OVERPOWERED, but I understand that someone like you who started playing FGs with SSF4 will never understand the difference, so whatever)

My fear is that capcom is gonna listen to scrubs like YOU and nerf yun to the ground like they did with Vanilla Sagat, while leaving Viper and Fei (and why not Yang) alone because according to idiots “They have major weaknesses” (lololololol).
Not that it’s gonna matter much to me, I’m gonna play Akuma anyways, but all you raging scrubs will just start crying for nerfs to the NEXT top tier from ver.2012 (be it akuma, seth, viper, ken or whoever it’ll be).

Good luck with 3s OE if you think this game is unbalanced, hahah

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Isn’t super/AE Sagat still like A tier…?

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It’s because of these patches that are making everyone wanting the easy way out of the problem. Just look at 3s - there are characters like Chun-Li that have matchups that are far worse in the ratios compared to Yun in AE, but due to the lack of patches, people worked on learning how to play the matchup, rather than complaining to the developers to release a different version of the game. Even with the release of 3sO, there could’ve been opportunities to balance that game, but it ended up being preserved to be arcade perfect.

I’m okay with patches and releases, but to see the people rely on them to solve for the matchup problems, not so much.

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AE Sagat is…super DEFINITELY not!!! Sagat got a few damage/hitbox/frame buffs in AE, that coupled with the fact that he does well vs. top tiers (sans akuma) made him A tier again.

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Fei Long got a minor buff? He can get an untechable knockdown from a bnb!

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The way I see it, people are only crying about AE and the Twins cause it’s the first time in the SF4 series that a rush down has been S tier. In Vanilla it was Sagat, and in super it was charge characters, which were all a lot slower pace compared to dive kick characters like Yun and Yang.
No other explanation why people choose to rag on Yun rather than Fei when all the top players agree that Fei is the better character.

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ok…the way I see it…it’s this simple.
Yes…Yun is a bit better than the rest of the cast. He’s not game-breaking or else we would’ve already banned him. So to all the haters, just deal with it. Become a better player than your opponent. Because yun isn’t good enough to make scrub player beat a top player.

To the Yun players who are bitching about people not liking you…Nobody cares why you picked him. At this point, you have no right to complain b/c people don’t have the best sportsmanship after losing to a character that’s frustrating to fight against. You KNOW nobody likes him, and yet you still use him.

so in recap…all of you just need to stop bitchin and just play…