Online Yun hate is getting ridiculous

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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Let me start by letting all of you know - I didn’t pick Yun in this game because of how people claim he’s godlike, or any regards to daigo videos, or dive kicks etc. - I liked Yun in 3rd strike, and used him for many years - Makoto wasn’t digging it for me despite her being my main in 3rd strike. So I picked Yun. The other thing is, I don’t like the SSF4 series - I’m merely passing time for 3SO.

Nobody really has the convenience of having someone active on your friends list playing SSF4 at any time, so it’s often the case that playing a random online seems like one way of getting some practice in - as everyone knows.

Cutting straight to the point - I’ve had over 1000 games online now, and it’s come to a point - I can’t even play anyone remotely decent (around 2000-3000PP) for a 2nd or 3rd time without getting rage-kicked. This occurs in Ranked AND Endless. I won’t name anyone - but unfortunately some of these people are also active members on the forums of SRK and Neo empire.

Seriously WTF? For a start, if Yun was so OP - I would be expecting lots of people whoring him out. Instead? There’s hardly any - and probably like 2 or 3 who genuinely give me trouble (one of them won’t play me at all now) - the rest are just plain reckless with random upkicks. This could well possibly be the fact that there’s no trials set for the AE characters, and that new players need to be spoon-fed combos.

The other thing I notice is that some matchups, it’s still important for the Yun player not to make mistakes. You still need to learn the general timing of his link combos, and they’re not mashable like boxer’s jab. The worst matchups I’m struggling with right now, are Adon, Guile, Hawk, Gief and Sagat. At most probably 5-5, but people still rage on about OP when they lose, or worse still send you rude messages to say that you’re ass despite using an OP char etc.

Coming from several years of tournament experience since the 3s days - we’ve all learned how to deal with OP characters in all games, and over time they get weakened as new stuff gets found out. Here we’re in an age where even experienced players choose to AVOID those rare yun players and learn the matchup, but instead lame out the time until Capcom throws out a patch to nerf him.

This provides me the theory that if you use Yun online, chances are your gamertag will be highly recognized and AVOIDED like the plague. I have gone from 71% avoid to 80% avoid in just over a month on my xbox rep. I cannot even get to practice with my other random chars like Ken, Juri and Akuma, because people automatically assume I’ll pick Yun. Is everyone else getting the same treatment?

My message is simple, and this goes out especially those you rage-kicked me after getting your ass handed. If you learn how to deal with Yun now, despite his current strength in the tier list (which btw is stupid) - by the time he gets nerfed, he will be even more easier to beat - you’ll be happy, you can bask in those useless bee-pee and pee-pee points or whatever.

Yes, Yun is pretty damn strong in this game - but don’t go hating on the player who picks him. I think Yun players get too much unwarranted beef/hate, and even if they pick him just to win - you still need to respect that.

DEAL WITH IT.

Anyone else getting the similar treatment I’m getting? Please share your experiences here.

Peace.

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Even though I don’t really use Yun, you can’t deny the hate is not warranted.

But before I even talk about that that, I want to comment on your theory that “If he is top tier why is no one whoring him out”. You basically answered your own question. Yun requires practice and technical skill to get good with. Much like Fei and Yang in AE, or charge characters in Super. However there is no denying that Yun just has way too many options against most of the cast. Yeah we should "deal "with it, but not when bullshit like this pops up:

Sweep trade glitch

Desk video - More combos

This glitch proves Yun is flat out broken period and Ono and Capcom didn’t fully test him out. OTG in Street Fighter? I didn’t realize this was Marvel. And to anyone who says this glitch is also “situational” needs to wake up and just admit Yun is broken literally. This situation is NOT that rare and is incredibly easy to set up.

Honestly if you’re going to use a top tier character then just expect the flamebait and move on. Take your own advice and DEAL WITH IT. Own people until they cry and rage. I don’t understand the need to defend yourself or rally people to defend your precious twins. The same shit happened with Sagat in Vanilla and Guile in Super. People bitched until they found away around them. And even though I bitch a lot about this kindof stuff It doesn’t mean I’m not in the lab or grinding shit out online/offline and learning how to beat the character. Take it as a compliment that people fear your Yun. But like I said, the hate is not unwarranted at all. It just gets annoying for you Yun players.

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lol “LOOK AT WHAT DESK CAN DO YUN IS SO BROKEN” please shut the hell up you just sound stupid. Yun is op’ed ok thats a given but he is by no means unbeatable like every scrub makes it seem hes not even worse then vanilla ryu in the op’ed/scrubby sense (i play yang just fyi)

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I can certainly take the flame and rage mail, simply because I’m so used to it now. But it’s the fact that I limited the number of opponents I play, just because of how most people know I use Yun, and will actively avoid me just to protect their BP/PP in ranked, and win streak in Endless. Yeah, it’s just plain annoying.

I won’t deny that I hate Chun in 3s, but at least it gives me an incentive to become stronger with Makoto - but then again, having a parry system certainly helps. I can probably understand the frustration with some chars who have their options limited when a dive kick lands on top of them, but from matchup experience - there ARE ways out of it. I’ve heard of people complaining about command grabs, but many don’t realise that a vertical jump beats it, and equals a FREE jump-in attack due to the recovery frames of a whiff.

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Ummm this is not something just desk can do. I did it in training mode. Its so stupidly easy to do its ridiculous. Trade sweep with anything ----> Ultra 1 or 2 or combos. And i totally agree with you, Yun is FAR from unbeatable. I guess other than broken a better term would be that he’s “unfinished”. He wasn’t fully tested obviously. The main point is though is that Yun was already incredibly good without this glitch but now he has it and its easily exploited.

Yes i see where you’re coming and I agree its frustrating. But in reality aren’t you eliminating the weaker competition for you? If you can down someone that easily with Yun, obviously you need to find stronger opponents. Or do a bait in switch in rooms you join. Play a match or 2 using a secondary then just swap to Yun the next match. Or host your own lobbies. There are many ways around people who are “afraid” and refuse to play.

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The character is broken… no ifs… ands… or buts… He’s top dog on the tier list and the majority of the cast has no answer to a ton of his options. Capcom stated early on that they made him OP on purpose and then he comes out… and guess what… he’s the best character in the game bar none. Now a ton of pro’s play him as well yes… it’s no surprise.

Balance issues are going to happen but to have capcom intentionally make him so good is pretty annoying. Free 50/50s all day and a safe way in from fullscreen? Yea the hatemail isn’t surprising. Some guy playing sakura or some shit is probably gonna fume when he has to trick you into three or four different setups to win and if he makes one mistake your in there for 25% and free mixups that could lead to another mixup and 100%. All the while the only real threat to keep you from just poking attacks out there without even having to think much is if they pull out reversals. Obviously that’s not safe and to people who actually try to take the game serious you know it leaves an empty feeling in their gut to have to just stick reversals out there… knowing that if you block they just lost.

Honestly yun is beatable but not very easily for casual players… whom are the majority of people you run into. Someone with half a brain casually playing yun can give a much better player a run for his money all day. If there is a skill disparity like a GOOD yun playing casual people who are using low/mid tier… fuck… they might as well quit… …and as you can see… they do.

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Let me tell you as a Hakan player Yun’s make me cry…

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so your telling me YOU can react to a normal move trading with a sweep and buffer the ultra in that time…fuck out of here

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Broken characters get banned at tournaments - OP characters don’t. There’s a BIG difference.

Dark Phoenix in MVC3 is considered ‘broken’ but ONLY if you can sustain 5 meters, x-factor AND without getting her snapped in prematurely and dying in one combo. That’s quite a bit of work, which scrubs fail miserably at.

ST Akuma has an air fireball, and the nature of the game system essentially makes this unfair for the rest of the cast. In addition, he has no dizzy, and ridiculous damage on his SRK - making him broken from the beginning - hence he’s banned.

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As desk already proved you don’t even need to do an ultra, you can buffer it into pretty much anything in Yun’s arsenal. First combo desk does he just does a low forward into shoulder into Genei Jin into combo. He also shows Yun continuing the sweep -> roundhouse combo and he also shows getting a throw comboed into the sweep. And you’re right it would probably be harder to anticipate in a real match, but the other combos desk show are not as hard to buffer if you even need to buffer at all

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This thread is not about bitching how easy that Crouch HK trade to U2 is. This is about people’s attitude to avoiding matchup practice with Yun instead of learning from it.

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But that’s exactly the point. People avoid Yuns for the reasons mentioned, like being able to get a free combo off of a traded sweep. My point is that having options like that make the casual or sometimes the middle-tiered skilled players not play with Yuns. If Yun had less options, was less safe, couldn’t OTG, then maybe more casual players wouldn’t be so anti-Yun

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YUNNING!!

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Then respect it and find another way around it? This glitch discovery is new, and it is not confirmed whether it’s actually liable in tournaments. If the Yun messes up the U2 timing (which can happen to anyone in tournament situations), then I would imagine he’d get punished for free, making the risk/reward factor probably against his favour.

Stop using Desk’s videos as a scapegoat to continue your “Yun is broken” argument. Because some characters can definitely beat him. I’m not saying that there are characters that have a 6-4 advantage, but there are definitely 5-5 matchups - so it can go either way.

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If you pick a top tier, expect to get hate, no matter what your intentions are. I mained Bison all throughout Super and you wouldn’t BELIEVE the salt I would see after a win, both online and off, even though when I decided to main him I didn’t know what the tier list was, I just thought his moves were badass.

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That is not my argument at all. If you read my posts I defend that Yun requires skill in execution and timing to be good with him. Again people seem to be ignoring the video and my posts.

My point is that Yun, while requiring skill to play, is a broken character and people will bitch about it. If you actually watched Desk’s video, Ultra 1 and 2 are not the only 2 things that combo off of traded sweep. In addition executing this glitch for free big damage is not hard to do at all. This is not one of those Desk videos that show you something that only pros with perfect timing can execute. If I can do it, anyone can, and that says something because my execution is mediocre. And yeah some of Yun’s worst matchups are oddly enough Gief and maybe T.Hawk if you’re good with him.

Also there is no way around a trade. You trade thats it you eat damage. If I jump in and trade with Ryu’s SRK guess what, I’m probably eating an ultra. Well now if I do any poke and it trades with Yun’s sweep, he gets a free combo that doesn’t even have to be an ultra. He’s getting free damage because of a glitch as in its not intended to be that way. But Hey I still play against Yuns regardless so no need to attack me about it.

Something I’m seeing people confuse here is the fact that calling Yun broken does not in any way shape or form put your own skill into question. Is anyone saying Daigo sucks because he uses Yun? Of course not. The same could apply to you Yunners. No one is saying (except maybe the scrubs) “You have no skill because you use Yun”. I’m saying “Yun is a broken character in SSFIV: AE” Thats it.

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If you use yun you deserve whatever you get.

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It’s obvious that Yun is the best character, but this shit is getting into Fox News territory. God forbid you guys can’t autopilot defense anymore and have to think. I was watching the Shadowloo stream with some people when a Yun player knocked Bison out of a full-screen EX Psycho Crusher with a standing jab, and everybody went, “OMG HE CAN DO THAT?! BROKEN!” Yes, Yun has a standing jab, like a good 100% of the cast. Nobody calls the Bison out for throwing full-screen Psycho Crushers out like an idiot. It’s obviously just Yun being sooooooooo broken.

The sweep glitch, really? Guess who else can trade into Ultra? Just about every character with an uppercut, and those can actually be hit-confirmed.

Lol, the only people who think charge characters are hard are the people using them and people who can hide behind a wall of plasma.

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lol at you using 5-5 match up numbers. C’mon try again please.

But yun breaks the flow of the game (depends on character), he has everything the game has to offer and more. You either nuter him or make the rest better than Yun. Im leaning on the later, why screw the player.

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Are you really gonna try that? The “Everyone else can do it therefore its not broken” argument? None of these things alone make a broken character. Its when they get ALL of the good attributes do they become broken.You know who else can trade into Ultra? Dan.

I hide behind a wall of oil. And it doesnt help. I do decently but my execution sucks, therefore charge characters are harder for me. I personally feel execution is harder for charge characters. I can’t do a flash kick FADC ultra to save my life but I can do a SRK FADC Ultra every time. Just my opinion. Not fact, far from it, probably the opposite.