What I don’t get is why it’s so hard for you to see the other side of the argument, James. Yeah, I get it: the game could/probably will be fun despite the “joke” characters. Hell, for you and many others it’ll probably be fun because of the joke characters. However, for those of us that were reluctant even before IV came out, this is a problem. I learned to deal with Rufus. I still absolutely despise him as a character and I think he’s a stupid waste of a spot, but, when you think about it Street Fighter IV in general is a joke game: huge, ridiculously designed character models, bulging googly eyes on everyone when they’re hit, characters wearing safari clothes and chef hats, characters cos-playing as one another, cheater inputs for all the people that won’t just learn the game, 10-frame reversals, again, for people that won’t learn the game, and now we have Cody shooting people into the wall like an arrow from a bow and Hakkan sliding his big, gay, oily ass all over the fucking screen.
Oh, and for those of you that think I’m being soooooooooo unreasonable, consider another point of view (especially you, Scott): what if they applied all of the SFIV concepts to the new Guilty Gear that’s being developed for 360/PS3? Now Sol’s eyes bug out of his head when he gets hit, people can mash out of your set-ups, and you have 10 frames to reversal with Volcanic Viper, and…eh, why not: you also have three different options for inputting Volcanic Viper.
I can only appreciate a game’s design so long before I’m deterred by the presentation and aesthetic. This game looks like, well… a joke. Since I am apparently the only person that feels this way in here, though, I’ll just keep my uninformed mouth shut and play the fucking game with you all. Bison: woooo… :bluu:
I think the silliness factor works pretty well in SFIV considering the game’s cartoony aesthetic. Also, Sol can already mash VV if he wants and he reaps a huge rewards if he RCs it on it; you just guess when he’s going to do it and murder him for attempting.
But to answer your question, if the shitty parts broke the game (like it does in BlazBlue), then I wouldn’t play it. I don’t think that’s the case for SFIV, though.
Mike you have jumped back and forth on hating/liking sf4 so many times now I have kinda lost count.
Street Fighter has always been pretty silly. It is the definition of stereotypes in fighting games.
Most people like to have some silly stuff to keep the game fun and interesting. Seeing 2 ultra dead serious people fighting each other emotionless would be boring.
Also Mike you let character designs influence how you like the game too much IMO. Truth be told, I fucking HATE how Rufus looks. Does that mean I hate Rufus? NO. Hes a really fun and exiting character to use in gameplay and that is more than enough for me. Shit I hate fucking Balrog as well. Its just that I base how I like fighting games/character by how they play, not really how they look. I guess thats just a big difference between you and me hehe.
Don’t even pull that one with me, James. You do the exact - EXACT - same thing. When you’re winning, you love it; when you’re losing, you hate it.
Yeah, but even in early games the stereotypes only went so far. I mean, Dhalsim didn’t chuck plates of spicy curry as a projectile, and Chun didn’t come in pulling a rickshaw. lol Street Fighter IV, however, is just like, “Hey, let’s see how blatantly racist and homosexual we can be before people start catching on. Lucky for us… Americans get off on that sort of thing.”
At what point did I say, “Fighting games are boring unless we have two emotionless, stoic characters fighting each other,” to ANYONE in this forum??? Sakura is one of my mains, and she’s about as emotionless and stoic as a hyper-active 3rd grader. I never said that at all, James, so don’t twist and exaggerate what I might have said in order to support your thoughts.
Yes, James: that is where you and I differ, obviously. Dude, I was cool with it until Cody started pulling pipes and wrenches out of his ass (I assume), Akuma started turning into the Tasmanian Devil, and Hakkan came in shooting motherfuckers out his ass like anal beads. Plus, you used to always go on and on about how cool and funny-looking you thought/think Rufus is, so I’m not sure why you’re changing your mind all of a sudden. There is a fine line between silly and light-hearted and just plain stupid. Like Chris said, I can’t use a character that I can’t take seriously. When I’m using a half-naked Turkish man that’s covered in off-white, dripping liquid closely resembling semen, and when said character also happens to have special moves that involve him sliding every part of his being all over my opponent’s face, crotch and other unmentionables…yeah.
If they absolutely HAD to make EVERYTHING he does somehow involve the oil (which is a mistake in the first place imho)…they could have done this:
Example Ultra: Hakan spills oil all over the floor, throws you across the floor, you slide and bounce off the far wall, the screen shakes. You bounce back (using that new wall bounce mechanism) and he hits you with a HUGE elbow drop to your spine. This would be “badass” as well as still a bit silly (you still have character sliding around on a slippery floor).
That is my point…damn capcom, you can have a bit of fun without making the move almost embarrassingly stupid. That dumb shit where he 69s you and squirts you out of his thighs is retarded for a few reasons:
He ALREADY has moves where he squirts you out of his arms. How many times are you going to reuse that same concept capcom? Doesn’t anyone over there still have a bone of ORIGINALITY in their body?
BOTH his ultras are silly. Come on really capcom? Why one one silly one for the people who like silly things, and one more serious one for the people who don’t have a Warner Bros’ cartoon fetish?
I could go on and on dissecting why I think these were bad choices, but I’ll spare you all from that.
Saying hes cool/funny looking does not mean in any way that I think he is a good looking character. Rufus is ugly and repulsive as shit. I like how he plays and thats pretty much it.
What I meant at first was that before you have even played the game you have gone back and forth on it. For instance before sf4 you were hype, then you hated it, than was hype again etc. I never did that. We both sometimes hate SF4 when we’re playing it because we all sometimes have bad weeks or periods of time where everything pisses us off. That scenario is comepletly different from what I meant.
Also some of these examples were not necessarily completely pointed at you. I was merely reinforcing how silly the stereotypes were by how most people enjoy stupid stuff. Im not twisting or exaggerating anything and nowhere did I accuse you of saying anything like that as well.
Im just not saying anything more cause when I do I am apparantly always accusing you of saying something which I know you didnt. I guess what I mean never comes out right so sorry.
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ITS TIME TO OIL UP. And yeah I agree, pretty much all of Hakan’s shit is extremely gay. I am more intrigued by how his oilling up with change him and managing that aspect in matches. Hakan has a good model but pretty much everything else is pretty gay, straight out of that one fighting/flying/shooting game with the ultra gay people in it.
Also Cody is still bad ass! They just wanted to include more weapons as a homage to Final Fight I imagine.
Gameplay and balance should obviously take precedence, and the game shouldn’t be judged based on character and aesthetic design. Having one “joke” character shouldn’t be a reason to deter you from Super considering you don’t even have to play the character. It doesn’t matter if you can’t take the character or the ultra seriously, what matters is overcoming the other player and that’s where the fun comes from.
I for one am very excited for Super and think Hakan’s ultra is goddamn hilarious.
If Capcom didnt have the creativity, and balls, to make characters like Hakan, Q, Blanka, Necro, Dhalsim, Twelve, Oro, Urien, Hugo, Makoto, Dudley, Zangief, and probably a few other goofy ass characters/stereotype characters that I can’t think of off the top of my head, THE GAMES WOULD BE BORING.
Now, I do feel they went a little too far with Hakan, but regardless, he will grow on us. Either that, or we will ignore when he gets played like most pointless characters (Dan in anything but Alpha).
LOOK AT WHAT HAKAN HAS DONE TO US!
And to think, Zangief is actually gay, not Hakan. Hakan has a wife and a shit load of daughters. Zangief likes men. Which one scares you more?
Im pre-registered to go to MWC, but it’s going to depend on me getting lucky with my work schedule to be able to go or not. Im about to start working 4 days on 4 days off every week, so if I go to MWC it’s cuz I got lucky enough that my schedule landed in a way that I could go.
But if I have that Friday-Sunday off, I’ll be down for Six Flags with the SRK guys.
I’ll know by Mid April if I can go for sure or not, either way.
Maybe I’m alone here, but I think Hakan looks really cool. He’s like a cross between Ganondorf and a gorilla… covered in oil. I don’t even think he looks gay, more like a greaseball weightlifter rapist (of women). Also, his design is interesting and original. I mean… I know I’ve never heard of a character whose gimmick is slipperiness. But I am from STL and I like my shit HEMMA RIDICULOUS (for the uninitiated, “hemma” is one more than “hella”).
humbag i dont see why you think tekkaman blade is so gay. he is definitely beatable when you know the match up. On monday mike had a 22 win streak on me and today i figured out how to fight him and now we’re about even.
Jun and Tekka are >>>>>>>> Frank/Cash in that matchup I bet.
Honestly Frank/Cash against Blade is practically unwinnable most of the time. Sad thing is that those are the only characters in the game that I think are fun to use gameplay wise.
I only win when Mike messes up badly. Otherwise every tool my characters have lose horribly. I have played Mike many times so I know what I am talking about. I have yet to find a reliable counter to Blades j.c with either frank or cash.
TvC is a fine game. I just really dont enjoy the gameplay for the most part. Only vs game I really somewhat like is MvC2.
idk every character can definitely punish the way i’ve been punishing his blade. I wouldn’t say tekka is all that good against blade given that he is so slow while blade is so fast. you just gotta punish his mistakes, which are abundant but you probably haven’t noticed them or didn’t know you could punish a certain way though that comes with experience in the match up/game. both casshern and frank can put up massive damage with a single opening so make the best of it when you get a hit in.