Old games are better!

[seph13]

Tekken 6’s failures are mainly due to lazy rushed release of the console port. Shitty netcode is like 75 percent of the reason people in the us held out on buying the game or returning it. Other than that the game sales wise I’m sure still did better in the us than at least half the titles released this year. There was pretty much no way tekken 6 was goin to reach the level of console sales that sfiv did even if everything went perfect.

Ogs not being a big fan of tekken 6 may hurt the tourney scene a bit but that doesn’t still discount the fact that tekken is still the number one arcade fighter in japan and definitely has a loyal new fanbase in the us due to the multi platform release of tekken 6. I guess sf always was the fighting game of america and ono proved it with sfiv. I just know it could be better than it is after playing so many of the other sf games in the past. I don’t find the gameplay as interesting or rewarding as other sf games. Then again I guess that’s how the tekken ogs feel about tekken 6.

Ok, I can agree with what you say here, that’s a pretty fair way to sum it up. I only disagree with your view of sf4, but that’s more a personal preference.

Man, you could do this to almost all of the statements in this thread. :lol:

Your point about music is spot on in the 2d games. I miss GGXX’s music. I like the remixed SF2 musics in SF4. I wish Capcom would give everyone their own stage and music in SSF4.

Uhhh… the difference in your example is that in sf4 it would require 2 super bars and an Ultra to pull off your example, in other words it takes strategy, can only be done once or twice(rare) per round, and is risky if you fail. Tekken 6 can be nothing but launch into 50% juggle combo the whole fight with very little risk.

The wall vs corner, example also makes little sense. In sf the corners are always clearly defined areas at the end of the stage that you use in your strategy. Tekken 6 walls are random and all over the place, half the time with the camera you don’t even know if you’re going to hit some wall from a random move. It basically just free damage areas scattered around the stage to extend combos.

BTW… Old 2d music for the win!:tup:

pff people complain about hopkicks all the time. please try to beat a pro by doing lows and hopkicks only and get back to me once you’ve won. please

uh u know tekken 6 beat sf4 in total sales in like 3 days right? at least in japan

Uh u know sf4 and even sc2 sold like 3 times better in like 1 day worldwide? Tekken 6 isn’t even 1/3 of sf4 sales worldwide and the sales dropped even more after the first week. Seriously there is a huge thread on Tekken Zaibatsu where everybody is talking about what a failure Tekken 6 has been sales wise.

Also I don’t need to beat a pro to prove anything. Watch any pro tournament video and you’ll see that it’s all they do the majority of the time(hop/poke into juggle/wall combo). I’m not saying it’s a BAD thing if that’s what you like. But it doesn’t resemble the gameplay that was in the classic Tekken games.

I really hope they go back to the Tekken 3/Tag engine for the next one. I’d be back into the scene in no time.

[seph13]

I wouldn’t put too much stock in “OGs don’t like Tekken 6.” For one, I don’t believe things just because Seph13 posts it. Second, you have that for every series. 3s people hate SF4. Like Tekken 3/TTT, a lot of OG SF players quit for completely unrelated reasons. If you want to see OGs hating on a game, no where is this more apparent than GGXX -> Blazblue. Hell, look at C3. Accent Core always outdrew every game except 3rd Strike, and it gave 3s a run some months. The last C3 I went to, the one where you hit me with Vipers Ultra :razzy:, Blaz was dead.

What hurt Tekken’s tourney scene the most was the 2 year wait between Japan getting Tekken 6.0 and the US getting a console release. The same places that had strong DR followings have strong T6 followings. At least, this is true in southern VA and TN.

Please go to Tekken Zaibatsu and find me any serious OG that likes Tekken 6 over 3 or Tag. Yes some 3s players dislike sf4 but nothing on the scale of how OG Tekken players view Tekken 4-6. All the top SF OGs are playing sf4. Most of the Tekken OGs flat out dropped the series.

I personally used to play Tekken a LOT more seriously then I played street fighter and spent years(late 90’s/early 2000s) playing Tekken in arcades and playing in tournaments. I was very disappointed in 4, started getting angry with 5 and just decided to give up on the series by 6. Yet Street fighter still holds its charm for me and I think 4 fits in pretty well with 3s and ST.

[Mr.Mamation]

fdac ultra is risky if it fails? Wrong son, Ryus penis is too big. When he uppercuts you with his dick he can cancel it into butt rape or play it off if you were ready for him. No risk involved. No stratagy in that.

Oh man, but if Ruy has full bar then its even more defensive. You can’t neutral jump, or jump toward him, depending on the range you can’t focus cancel and dash forward either. Doesn’t leave you with much options there.

[seph13]

fdac ultra is risky if it fails? Wrong son, Ryus penis is too big. When he uppercuts you with his dick he can cancel it into butt rape or play it off if you were ready for him. No risk involved. No stratagy in that.

Oh man, but if Ruy has full bar then its even more defensive. You can’t neutral jump, or jump toward him, depending on the range you can’t focus cancel and dash forward either. Doesn’t leave you with much options there.

It’s a risk as in it costs 2 meters to even attempt and you won’t see it more then 1 or 2 times because of meter costs. You must pay a price for the safety. Unlike Tekken 6 where safe launchers/hopkicks into high damage combos cost nothing and can be done all round.

[arstal]

I think they were trying a whole lot harder when they were making the older games, which is why many of them are still playable and enjoyable today. SF4 just won’t stand the test of time. I think by the time SSF4 is out no one will want to play SF4 ever, which is much different than in the past where say people will still want to play Double Impact or Hyper Fighting even though there are newer versions of the same series which are available which are not necessarily better… but unique and fun enough that they are all fun to play. But the problem here is that SSF4 won’t be an arcade game, or at least they aren’t planning on it so the series… is screwed a little bit.

If any game manages to make a sequel that improves upon its predecessor in every way, of course people are going to dump the older game. Look at the VF series, until 5, they always dumped the previous iterations, despite them being viewed as good games. If there are people who want to play SF4 after SSF4 is out, either they’re mad over something stupid or Capcom screwed up.

It’s only when developers manage to screw things up differently each time that the old games retain play- like the KOF and Alpha series. (and even KOF has homogenized into the UM games)

as for SSF4, I think it’s vital they make a PC port if no arcade version happens, in case we want to preserve it, without using 50-yr old PS3’s when we’re like 80 or something.

pff people complain about hopkicks all the time. please try to beat a pro by doing lows and hopkicks only and get back to me once you’ve won. please

uh u know tekken 6 beat sf4 in total sales in like 3 days right? at least in japan

Try to beat a pro in any game without understanding it. As for Tekken 6 sales, Japan is a very tiny console market compared to America- at least for current-gen stuff. Tekken expected a lot more sales then they got, which is why it’s so easy to find a deal on it right now- hopefully Tekken makes it money back- they deserve to for the good second effort.

as for OG’s rejecting games- it happens all the times. A lot of OG SF2 players viewed the Alpha and 3 series as abominations- and some of them came back for SF4. The 3S crowd tends to shit on 4. A lot of that is because it’s different, and different=bad to most people. Sometimes they’re right, sometimes they’re not. KOF98 fans tend to shit on 02.

[Syrius]

Its all about street fighter : the movie, the game.

Akumas hurricane kick infinite. Also the 1st sf to introduce ex moves

Sawada is god tier!

[chopperbyrne]

This thread should have only had one reply which read: Some old games are better, some new games are better.

[Mr.Mamation]

Its all about street fighter : the movie, the game.

Akumas hurricane kick infinite. Also the 1st sf to introduce ex moves

Sawada is god tier!

I like it.

I don’t know much about tekken but I am pretty sure all hop kicks are jab punishable.

[Anakron]

What I don’t understand though is why the old games had 10x better music…

Because good music only existed in a time when it was legal to beat people up.

[nGuman]

Perhaps nostalgia is a powerful feeling
and HEY, Tekken 6 is better than BB imo. Its way more fun.

[odin]

not even nostalgia
but cvs2 shits all over sf4

[Fulaani]

It’s a risk as in it costs 2 meters to even attempt and you won’t see it more then 1 or 2 times because of meter costs. You must pay a price for the safety. Unlike Tekken 6 where safe launchers/hopkicks into high damage combos cost nothing and can be done all round.

I think you are confusing safe on block with overall safeness.

[HuDaThaN]

In recent years, Tekken has improved on itself with each new installment, so take that as you will. I think it has done a good job of improving the gameplay to make it attractive to new players as well as remain true to those who are familiar with the series, and it’s made T6 one of the true successful new fighting games.

[Jarv]

Blaz Blue: This shit sucks. Un-origional character design, has a load of horible ideas mechanic wise, outlandish matchups. It is fast and pretty, and some of the moves are cool looking. But even still, some of them were completly un-origional. It’s fun to play at a low level and not care about how dumb matchups are but over all, game sucks. Good luck in CS.

Dude get FireFox, spell check…

I’ll forgive ArcSys for the “completely unoriginal” :rolleyes: characters because I’ve been having too much goddamn fun with this game since launch. No PS3 Guilty means this is my new jam. You wanna talk unoriginal characters? Check Shoto Fighter 4 at the door…

I play games that I think are fun (and yes, that includes Street Fighter 4). Don’t care if it’s old or new, if it’s fun and has competition then I’m playing it.

[Return_of_Shiki]

uh u know tekken 6 beat sf4 in total sales in like 3 days right? at least in japan

Japan console sales for fighters really don’t mean much anymore.

Total Japan Sales (360/PS3) for T6 so far: 180k
Total Worldwide Sales (360/PS3) for T6: 930k

Total Japan Sales (360/PS3) for SF4 so far: 180k
Total Worldwide Sales (360/PS3) for SF4: 2.75 mil

Tekken has time to catch up, but sales are slowing down. I don’t see how T6 will reach 2.75 mil without dropping in price to $20-30.

[FallingEdge]

Everyone should play more VF.

I want R :sad:

Fuck a SSF4/SF4.

[Josh-TheFunkDOC]

by “completely unoriginal” he meant that a lot of the BB character designs are either straight ripoffs from GG (ragna, jin, tager, + noel kinda) or anime cliches (rachel, bang, taokaka, nu).

i recall hearing that during the design process they fell in love with arakune and put most of their effort into him, and that would explain a lot…he’s the only truly original design, and his animations are a lot more detailed & varied than everyone else’s. apparently this was also why they tried to make him the best character, and hey they almost pulled it off!

syxx: ya i completely agree, and this is part of my point. tekken scene seems to bitch more than others, and about stuff that’s nowhere near as bad (see: hopkicks vs. any of the BB top tier). but the bad stuff still does exist, which a lot of newer players don’t seem to fully understand, so figured i’d mention it.

[FallingEdge]

The SC scene is the worst from what I seen. People were bitching and boycotting the patch for the game before it was even released. All they had was a list of rumored changes.

Just… awful.

[NeoChaosX]

Everyone should play more VF.

I want R :sad:

The entire non-Japanese fighting game community could suddenly drop everything and start solely playing VF and Sega of Japan still wouldn’t produce a home version of VF5R, much less give a shit about anything other than the Japanese arcade market.

[Ben_Reed]

not even nostalgia
but cvs2 shits all over sf4

This is verifiable, scientific truth. Not even Viper and her flame-kicking shenanigans can front on characters like A-Rolento, K-CBS, and motherfucking K-Geese, God Emperor of CvS2. I will stain my house, motherfucker, witcha brud.

I’ll forgive ArcSys for the “completely unoriginal” :rolleyes: characters because I’ve been having too much goddamn fun with this game since launch. No PS3 Guilty means this is my new jam. You wanna talk unoriginal characters? Check Shoto Fighter 4 at the door…

“Unoriginal” is a bit too unkind, yes. It’s probably more accurate to say “uninspiring”.

I dunno if other people who have beef with the BlazBlue designs follow this same logic, but here’s mine: mechanically, the characters are all very distinct and well-thought-out. Visually, they basically live or die by the combination of their callbacks to corresponding Guilty Gear characters (i.e. Ragna::Sol, Jin::Ky, Tager::Potemkin) and their much heavier reliance on anime tropes relative to Guilty Gear. Generally, you have to be much more of an anime dork to really “get into” the designs and personalities of the BB characters than you do with Guilty Gear’s characters.

Take Faust, for example. His fighting style is like 90% manga gags, but you don’t have to be a manga dork to appreciate how awesomely fucked up he is. He’s a nine-foot-tall doctor with a gigantic scalpel and a paper bag over his head. He’s both the tallest and shortest character in the game depending on what animation he’s currently in the middle of. He swims through the ground to stab you in the ass with a scalpel if you pick the wrong treasure box. He barrages you with hammers, candy, Potemkin toys, poison vials, meteors, and gigantic cartoon bombs a la Wile E. Coyote. And when he’s done kicking your ass, he goes all Mary Poppins and glides merrily away on a parasol. You don’t even have to know that the game is Japanese to know that that’s so weird, it’s awesome. (Yes, that totally called for colors.)

Conversely, you have a character like RAGNA THE BLOODEDGE, whose name and appearance call to mind the crappy scrawlings of a 14-year-old emo kid in the back of his notebook during algebra class. Granted, in the game’s (largely tedious and unfunny) story mode, he’s actually one of the more amusing characters, and his frat-boy comebacks to the anime melodrama-babble leveled at him by the other characters are actually kinda chuckleworthy, but it’s relatively easy to see where even people who play as him might have to grit their teeth and remind themselves “Well, I wanted to play the Sol-alike in this game, so Ragna it is…”. (But at least he’s less annoying than Noel, whose story mode was so offensively dumb I almost shot my TV.) I think the Guilty Gear characters command a lot more genuine love beyond the purely instrumental “just give me their frame data and a list of their BnBs” vibe people like me get from BlazBlue.

Bottom line, Faust good, Noel bad. GOING MY WAYYYYYYYYYY