The core problems competitively aren’t going away.
And wow…you think Landorus T is the least shitty of the Therians. Allow me to walk away now.
(See, I try to be more concise by omitting a few things, but no…)
I think it’s the least shitty in terms of looks. Even if they’re probably more effective, which I wouldn’t really care about, the two other genies’ new forms look really fucking dumb to me and I say this not having liked the genies’ original looks to begin with.
Hence why I commented on that aspect earlier and didn’t feel like repeating the word “looks” but it seemed obvious that’s what I was getting at.
And, yeah, no shit the core problems are going with the way that Game Freak is. Just because I didn’t expect anything doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t have been nice for something substantive to actually change competitively.
Feel free to “walk away” though.
Landorus T is actually the worst of the genies. He’s pretty much inferior to regular Landorus in everything but messing with U-turners. Tornadus T is awesome and Thundurus T, though less effective than regular Thundurus is still pretty damn good. The tutors, and newly released pokemon (like Keldeo) have shaken things up as well, though not as much as Bullet Punch Scizor did last gen.
I still stand by my statement. Thundurus is pretty shitty though looks wise. Tornadus is damn nice though.
And the context around your statement was referring to competitive standing. The ENTIRE SENTENCE around you saying Landorus T was the least shitty was referring to how not much changed competitively. I’m sorry if I’m unable to read your mind and guess, hmm…yeah, he definitely decided to change the subject and talk about looks mid-sentence and then change back right away. There’s nothing in that sentence that suggests you decided to do that, so yeah, of course that’s gonna happen when you try to be concise, because you’re shitty at it. I don’t like to insult you, but if you had worded that sentence better, I wouldn’t have to waste my time defending myself over your blunder.
And yeah it’d be nice for things to change, but it’d be a waste to do this generation, let alone on a handheld. If they want to change things, they should do it on a console where it wouldn’t be influenced by earlier handheld games.
(Fine. I admit that my wording was off there. Doesn’t mean we’re going to see eye-to-eye on aesthetics obviously.)
You say that like they’re ever going to release anything that isn’t just a spin-off of the main series on console when part of what makes Pokemon “printed money” is its portability. There’s really no excuse.
It’s not like I was expecting a typing change or anything, but there’s still no Rapid Spin tutor or additional (useful) Pokemon that learn Rapid Spin? Not even an added property of something to get rid of or block Stealth Rock? Not even fixing Defog? What.
I wouldn’t have minded the lack of RS tutor if they didn’t also make a SR tutor. There’s where I agree with you. That was stupid. The move tutors could’ve definitely been better.
It also didn’t help that Rain is absolutely ridiculous right now. Either Keldeo is ruining lives or it’s the Tornadus T/Thunderus T combo. And then Genesect is on the way.
All I can say is…at least Shadow Tag Chandelure wasn’t released.
(Ugh. I meant “release”, not “realize”, there. I’m sure part of me being shitty at being concise is fact that I’m almost always ineffectually trying to multi-task while typing up a post.)
Shadow Tag Chandelure wasn’t released? As in it’s not going to be released ever? Or it just still hasn’t been released yet? Because I could stand it not being ever released…
The whole affair with Dream World, especially some of the dumb abilities that it brought into play like Speed Boost Blaziken, Drought Ninetales, Drizzle Politoed and Moody, is another reason I can’t really get into 5th generation.
The whole weather domination is another thing, partly sparked by the Dream World thing but not entirely. It’s especially annoying since they just gave even more shit to the already strong weathers/types it seems between all the Sandstorm-abilities and Water types still being arguably at least somewhat overpowered, especially now that they have priority STAB in the form of Aqua Jet. Meanwhile Sun gets the same generic power boost everyone else gets while still being the only weather to support utterly contrary types…that both die to Water Pokemon despite Grass being superior on paper since many of those same Pokemon get Ice or are Kingdra with their dumb Dragon STAB; Hail got…absolutely nothing.
It’s less that they don’t change things than it is that they seem to actively change things for the worse much of the time. I’m not going to pretend that they would be able to keep up with the competitive sub-culture of Pokemon even if that was the main selling demography, which it isn’t. They’re obviously aware of it that side of it however, especially given the number of events they hold. So I guess part of why I just seem extra bitter/needy is because it just seems incredulous that, after a decade, they would still ignore the glaring problems.
I mean, even more “minor” or newer glaring problems seem to be getting ignored. I seriously don’t think anyone likes Stealth Rock, but pretty much everyone uses it because it’s easy mode and you’re at an extreme disadvantage if you don’t. So, instead of giving us more (read: actual) solutions by either making Rapid Spin more available or something else remove or weakening the damn move, they just give us…more of the same problem. Now with more power!
I really don’t even know how the hell they make decisions, but I’m already ranting, so I’ll end there since I technically asked a question at the beginning of this mess.
They haven’t released it yet, but it’s a pretty glaring omission considering nearly every DW ability has been released. The only other one I could think of that’s relevant in the meta is Contrary Serperior. I could also do without ever having Shadow Tag Chandelure seeing the light of day.
Rain isn’t busted because of Aqua Jet or anything, the only relevant users of Aqua Jet are Feraligator and Azumarill. Azumarill is solid but slightly outclassed at the moment. But Specs Keldeo in the Rain is nigh unstoppable. Whatever Hydro Pump doesn’t take out, Secret Sword will. And then HP Ghost to deal with Jellicent. And if you don’t run Keldeo you still have the fun of Tornadus T with its ridiculous 121 Base Speed and Regenerator along with STAB Hurricane and fast U-Turn, along with Thunderus T’s fucking monstrous 145 Base SpA beating down anything that could raise a problem. Oh, and then Haxorus got an Aqua Tail tutor on top of Superpower so it fits in Rain as well.
Sandstorm in comparison actually isn’t that great anymore just due to the shift into BW2. It’s pretty unfortunate actually.
Hail…yeah, needed help, but before BW2, it was actually finding a great niche has being hella anti-meta. My Hail team was actually doing great work despite my mediocre battling skills. Having a weather starter that beats every other is pretty damn nice. The fact that Hail doesn’t do much in the realm of boosts is almost sort of helpful in the sense that it completely cancels out the weather game other than the residual damage that very few pokes can resist and it’s extremely unlikely the opponent can screw you over with your own weather. Hail could still be decent…if not for Keldeo and Secret Sword. Kyurem even got some half decent help thanks to Roost. I’ve heard some Sub Roost sets doing relatively well.
Right now, if you’re not running Rain, (hell, even if you are), Mamoswine is your best friend. It’s damn good now that Thick Fat is usable with all its moves.
But yeah we need more Rapid Spin tutors, or hell even make it so maybe Rock Types can absorb Stealth Rock ala Poison Types with Toxic Spikes. Shit’s annoying.
sigh these days each company just continues to disappoint me.
Capcom (DLC on costumes, MvC3…and RE in general)
Activision (Laid off in 09, never got credit for MW2 nor did they acknowledge my fixes for the game despite our team’s lockdown thanks to how crazy secret they wanted to make the game and getting the build 2 months before launch didn’t help)
EA (Fuck online passes and ruining Dead Space)
Blizzard (Diablo 3…I REALLY want to love this game but I grow so bored of it)
Valve (TF2 is now Diablo in FPS form. the hats are what ruined the game, we’ll never see HL2:Ep3, L4D was abandoned, I could go on)
Nintendo but mostly Gamefreak (I believe the problem is for pkmn that the game is overly complex to the point that one can teach a college course on the series the play/battle mechanics, probability and equations. We forget that this game is supposed to be for children…yet why is there such an overwhelming feeling now when I see it?)
I guess it’s true that we should be careful what we wish for…
I’m guessing you mean L4D1 because L4D2 is getting a new DLC pack…actually I think in a week? I have to check the release date again.
As for Pokemon, they’ve steadily grown it away from most children. When they actually put a story in, that’s when it was done for “only children”.
But yeah, exactly what did you expect from each company? There’s no such thing as a paragon of virtue in a VG developer.
(Oh, yeah. I forgot that you used to work for Activision, Infernoman. Sorry to hear that.)
That said, yeah. I’m not really sure what you were expecting when it comes to any company, sadly, having “virtues”, much less being flawless; blame capitalism. Similarly, I’m not exactly sure what you’re talking about with regards to “asking for” anything. I certainly remember realizing that Steel blocked too damn much all the way back in GSC and hoping that some of Pokemon I liked more back then, like Farfetch’d or Pinsir, got some upgrades.
That…still has never happened.
As for things getting more complex, it’s rather inevitable. Besides, Game Freak’s “base” (read: we) have aged up significantly since Crackmon was introduced (to the States) like, what, 15 years ago. While it’s still very much thought to be a “kid” thing and is explicitly marketed as all ages (for the sake of “dem Benjamins”), I’m pretty sure it’s well known how many teenagers and adults still play this given the demographic of the aforementioned official events.
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I see. I’ll just list my responses:
- Dream World: Yeah, that’s not suspicious at all. It was extremely dumb to give Shadow Tag to anything else anyway. Whatever happened to that psychic Goth Pokemon with it?
Why would anyone care about Contrary Serperior? Does it get something dumb like Leaf Storm with the ability or something? (Serperior is the new Grass starter’s final evolution, right?)
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Aqua Jet: I actually meant more Water didn’t really need a priority STAB attack at all than that it was reason it being overpowered in Rain, though I admittedly suppose I was thinking of (4th gen) Azumarill’s fat-ass backed by Huge Power. Also of Buizel('s evolution?) with Bulk Up and Sword Dance Kabutops, though I can see how those fell from grace given their crappy defense, especially since Kabutops is weak to Fighting. Honestly, when it comes to Feraligatr, most of the time I just forget that thing exists due to Gyarados.
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Secret Sword: …Seems really fucking dumb. That is all. At least with Psyshock it a) didn’t hit Blissey and Evo-Chansey for double damage even if they still got hit hard and b) was on a shitty attacking type that didn’t get perfect neutral coverage with any type of Hidden Power; ugh, Hidden Power is such a dumb move, but I’m not going to pretend it’s going anywhere ever.
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Non-Rainy Weather: How’s Sunny Day doing? I can only imagine it’s getting its ass kicked too because it (read: Drought Ninetales) can’t switch in, right?
Sandstorm’s value being depreciated already makes me laugh considering all the stupid buffs it got starting back in 4th generation. “Oh, let’s make Sandstorm randomly buff Rock types Special Defense by 50%, that way Tyranitar automatically has 150% Special Defense since its stats are so low!” So, yeah, between Garchomp and the 5th generation abilities, fuck them.
Hail being anti-meta still and decently usable (before BW2) is somewhat heartening to hear since, yeah, I basically used it for the same thing in 4th generation and I’m probably even worse at battling. That said, it still should have gotten something. They couldn’t have made it, I don’t know, increase Ice types Defense by 50% to mirror the above Sandstorm? It would have hardly “fixed” Hail, but it would have at least that stupid snowflake with its abysmal Defense would at least be somewhat usable. SImilarly, it would greatly benefit the Ice Body Pokemon, given the glut of powerful Fighting types (yeah, not all of them are physical, but most still are) and Rock type moves alongside Stealth Rock.
Meh.
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Thick Fat Mamoswine: I’m confused. What does Thick Fat actually do for Mamoswine that’s significant since all it does is make it neutral to Fire and resistant to Ice instead of weak and neutral respectively?
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Rock types absorbing Stealth Rock: Yeah, that would probably be an acceptable change that I hadn’t thought of, even if it would benefit the already strong Tyranitar. It also still wouldn’t do that much to deal with true problem of Stealth Rock doing almost unavoidable 2x Spikes damage to most things or worse with one (lazy) move. If Stealth Rock actually took set-up like the other Spikes and Poison Spikes rather than “herp derp”, then it would be a lot less problematic.
Do any Rock types have that stupid Regenerator ability to even take advantage being able to absorb it, especially given how common their weakness are? The only one I vaguely remember seeing had it a year ago was…Corsola? Yeah…
Thanks.
- I believe Shadow Tag Gothitelle was released but it’s not that strong to my knowledge. It’s a stupid ability bit it only really gets mileage out of Pokes with solid offense or Wobuffet being Wobuffet. I might be wrong though.
My knowledge of the DW meta is…hazy at best, I didn’t keep absolute track of it outside of the obvious stuff. But yeah Contrary Leaf Storm is pretty nuts. Not much else for coverage, but it didn’t really need it outside of that. With Rain taking a boost, Contrary Serperior would be a nice counter.
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The reason the pokes you mentioned aren’t used is because in the most recognized meta (Smogon…unfortunately for most), you aren’t allowed to have Swift Swim in the same team as a Drizzle poke. So yeah, that’s why Aqua Jet fell off.
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Yeah, it’s pretty annoying of a move. Without it though, Keldeo would be pretty bad since his movepool is absolutely worthless. If we actually got our Aura Sphere tutor, he could live without it (and actually have counters).
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Well…Sun teams have had better days, but did get some tricks. Ninetales got Pain Split so it can actually survive a bit better. Venusaur is also pretty damn strong. But yeah, the boost for Rain did not help matters since it was already running 3rd (or hell, arguably 4th) in the Weather wars.
Normally, Sand going down would make me happy, but in this new meta, having SpD TTar saves lives.
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Thick Fat Mamo takes away one of its weaknesses in Fire, but most importantly for Mamo, the meta is open for Mamo’s strengths to take heed. Having his Ice Shard is damn huge when Tornadus-T is running rampant, and being part-Ground means he can switch in easily on Thunderus-T. It’s a damn solid poke to have right now since it can now own almost any of the weathers including Sun teams.
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Well preferably either SR would be gone completely, or lose the ability to take into account weaknesses. As for Rock-Types having Regenerator…yeah Corsola’s the only one.
That goth thing doesn’t really have the stats or the movepool to kill anything.
Yes, Contrary Serperior does have Leaf Storm. It gets Dragon Pulse as a tutor move, so now it can achieve perfect 3 move coverage with Hidden Power Fighting or use another HP to hit specific pokemon.
I keep forgetting about Dragon Warrior Monsters: Joker. I need to find out if that game is good (not that anyone plays it).
Pinsir. One of the few remaining 1st gen Pokemon deserving of an evolution and still will never get one.
“fakegts stats recorder”
Does anyone else see another word initially when reading “fakegts”?
I expect them to make something that’s worth buying. maybe I’m just old and grumpy now as each year that goes by, I buy less and less games and see how flawed everything is but some are fine enough where it doesn’t hinder my fun. flawed and unfun is different. Diablo 3 I waited a decade for and get something that grew old on me in a matter of a month with nothing to motivate me to keep playing. I loved L4D and put much time into it only to have it become dead after a year to L4D2…a shame since all i needed wad mod tools but they never really came.
I never expect these companies to really “care” for any of us but one should not bite the hand that feeds them which many of them forget that we as customers (but most consumers) have that power. Course the majority simply will bitch and go buy said games just the same. whatever, I grow more apathetic as time goes one so hey what do I know?
Damned - Mamo is weak to fire and neutral to ice FYI so yeah…does little to help but give it a smidgen of bulk. Also before leaving Activision, I had an offer from Septimus Prime to go with him to Konami. Kinda look back at it now thinking of what I should have done but after leaving Activision, it was too late to join. fast forward to now and I work for Disney.
Pinsir will probably never get an evolution, I feel that he was replaced by Heracross. It would have been cool if it had a Scizor-like evolution that added a new type and redistributed its BST. Bug/Water and Bug/Ground would be awesome on a fully evolved pokemon.
I’m surprised that Jynx hasn’t gotten an evolved form like Magmar and Electabuzz did.
Mr Mime could use an evolved for too.
Thick Fat is still better than any of its other abilities, and the Ice resist it adds is pretty cool. Thanks to Thick Fat, Mamoswine is one of the few pokemon that resist BoltBeam.
I was thinking on the lines of Bug/Ground for the longest.
Not according to smogon. :rolleyes: Maybe I’m underestimating how much weather affects this metagame which is why they prefer Snow Cloak.
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Smogon doesn’t prefer Snow Cloak, they just haven’t updated his page yet. They usually just do all their updates on one Poke all at once.
And having the resist against BoltBeam is huge right now. Especially when Genesect will come calling.
They haven’t updated the movesets to reflect BW2 changes yet. Thick Fat Mamoswine has been released, but since it was male in DW, it missed out on a lot of its good moves, which were added as tutors. Snow Cloak was the preferred option because confusion is so uncommon and Mamoswine would be easily KO’d by Dynamic Punch or Water Pulse, the most common confusion inducing moves.
Jynx evo with a sex change on evolution would be priceless.
On the subject of Gen 1 Pokemon, why the hell does Lapras not learn Shell Smash? Its in the same egg group as Omastar, Clamperl, and Carracosta and it even has Shell Armor as an ability. T-Bolt and solid abilities in Water Absorb and Hydration would make SS Lapras seem pretty viable in OU. Base 60 speed wouldn’t do it any favors, though.
Eviolite Machoke is way better than daddy Machamp…
Bulk up sets are more viable on Machoke…