Holy shit, Ryan Howard is 30 this year. Philly’s gonna pay him $25 million at 36 years old, that’s insane.
I’d rather give Adrian or Fielder that much money…heck, even Votto.
Philly likes to keep their guys together.
Interesting take on Yankees payroll.
http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2010/04/26/yankees-payroll-at-league-average-not-really/
Some of the comments after the break address some of my initial questions about things like revenue sharing and additional costs not included in player salary numbers. Biggest question it raises for me, is wtf are other teams doing with the revenue sharing they receive from teams like the Yankees, Tigers and Sox? Clearly some of them are not spending it on signing players.
That’s because they aren’t. Look at the Marlins. That team actually has fans, and they’re always looking to deal anybody who is even remotely good. They’re going to trade Uggla, first chance they get, and we all know that Hanley’s not going to retire a Marlin.
Replace Marlins with Pirates and it’s the same thing.
He is going to keep eating subway and be powered up fully till he dies.
Meanwhile the Rays have one of the top 3 teams in baseball right now (listed at #1 currently on ESPN) and can’t sell any damn tickets. Do we hate on the Yankees for taking full advantage of being in the NYC market? Or hate on a team like Seattle or Pittsburgh for not doing enough with their own situations? Meanwhile the Mets are doing far less with their situation, in a similar market and a huge payroll.
Yankees haters are just confusing to me sometimes. Hate the Pirates for sucking so bad, imo.
None of them do.
Player salaries are accounted for separate from overall franchise revenue. It’s just another source of income for the bottom line, like concessions and ticket sales.
Whatever money they make (from revenue sharing or not) that they don’t use on player salaries, the owners pocket.
That was the whole thing about the Marlins, the commissioner’s office was getting mad that them because they were use hoarding all this revenue sharing money coming in from other teams - money that is supposed to be used for players - and instead they were just pocketing it. Pirates are just idiots - they spend, but they never spend wisely. Marlins never spend at all for any reason.
But because the commissioner’s office in baseball is so lame and limp dick, and since there’s no real way to tell a GM which way he’s supposed to spend the money, there’s no way to enforce this.
And that’s why no one will ever really push for a salary cap type of system for baseball either - all the small market teams are content to let the big market teams keep spending, and if the small guys lose out on ticket sales due to shitty teams, they just gain it back from revenue sharing.
Yankee hating is directed against idiot fans who don’t readily embrace their team management style of winning balls games by throwing money around. And then falsely claiming that they are REAL fans and the other fans are posers. It’s hard to say Cashman’s a great GM when he has more money than God to do whatever he wants with it, and that he or the franchise will never be burned by handing out bad contracts.
Or fans who think that the success of their team is not tied to geographic location at all, like it takes considerable skills to run a franchise that’s located in New York.
Step #1) Outbid every team for the top free agent every offseason.
Step #2) Repeat.
Tampa and Pittsburgh have a population of less than a million people combined. New York City has like 10 million. Who do you think is going to sell more tickets, dummy?
Though that is why it makes the Mets so sad - they have everything the Yankees do and yet they can’t do anything but fail. It’s impossible to suck that much at building a team…and yet…they exist.
Don’t try to explain to him Clint. He will never understand.
Rays Marlins WS plz.
NYC actually has just under 8 million, although I suppose with illegals hiding in alleys and homeless people and shit it could be approaching a higher number lol. But they don’t really factor into the Yankees revenue all that much.
Tampa is one of the teams I feel really badly for, the last few years they’ve done just about everything right from a baseball standpoint, but can’t attract fans to their games for whatever reason. The Pirates just suck ass, and I have no idea what the Mets are doing.
You made my point for me though, bringing up the Mets. Being in NYC is a huge factor to their success, and no intelligent fan will deny it. I never denied it either, certain people seem to take me telling them to be jealous as me saying that the Yankees don’t buy top players or take advantage of being in NYC. Why shouldn’t they buy the best players they can? Why shouldn’t they take advantage of being in NYC? Someone should explain how this shit works to the Mets.
As far as Cashman goes, he can’t fill every spot on the field with high priced free agents. How much are we paying Brett Gardner again? I suppose if Posada and Jeter take a day off, we’re bound to lose with Ramiro Pena and Fransisco Cervelli filling in for them, right? Oh wait, they contribute every time they play, just about. People forget how consistently successful the Yankees farm system is.
What about high priced free agents that don’t perform under the pressure in NYC? That’s a much bigger factor for the Yankees/Sox/Mets than a lot of other teams. Shit, Carl Pavano came here and faked injuries for 4 years, now as soon as he leaves NY he’s back pitching again. The Sox threw 51 large at Daisuke just to talk to mans, how much of an impact has he really had? Yankees could have spent that, but didn’t. With or without the Yankees payroll, every team will hit or miss on personnel moves. Yankees spent big money on Tex, and he’s been great. Even when he slumps offensively, he’s a massive upgrade on defense from a player like Giambi. Meanwhile the Sox are telling people they built a team around “pitching and defense” in an offense friendly ballpark, and their big signing was fucking JOHN LACKEY. That’s just how sports work, you’re gonna make good deals and you’re gonna make bad ones.
Ignorant Yankee haters are just as guilty as ignorant Yankees fans. People act like just because the Yankees spend a lot on players that a championship should be free every year. Baseball doesn’t work like that. So hate the Yankees because they’re in an advantageous position, and utilize it more successfully than the trash Mets? They take the advantages they have, and use it to the best of their abilities, and have had a lot of success doing so. We’re hating them for that?
Be jealous, imo.
What about the 2+ MPH he lost off of his fastball? is it the pressure of pitching in NY or steroids??
Also there’s an article in Forbes about what % of money the teams spend on payroll. IIRC KC and Yankees spend the same % (45%) but the yankees 45% is obviously bigger
marlins spent the lowest percentage
edit: here’s the chart http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/33/baseball-valuations-10_The-Business-Of-Baseball_Value.html
if you notice most teams are just a big contract player away from ending the year in the red vs the black
Pretty sure KC used to pocket tons of revenue sharing cash until the year of the Gil Meche contract.
yea that is the reason those teams suck though. they make such stupid decisions but they can’t afford to eat the contract.
lets sign kyle farnsworth and gil meche for an insane amount of money!
we need a closer, let’s overpay for BJ Ryan then release him even though we have no chance at making the playoffs so why not just throw him out there everyday until his arm falls off
any signing texas, the astros, or the cubs have done in the last 10 years
25 mil for adam eaton (PHILLIES)
etc etc.
To expand on this, you also have to acknowledge the insanely stupid habit Yankees fans and New York media have when it comes to the bad signings they have. Whenever Cashman makes a dumb signing, it’s not “oh man, that was fucking stupid.” It’s “oh, that guy just couldn’t handle the pressure that comes with playing for the Yankees.” If Curtis Granderson ends up finishing the season hitting .230 with 15 homers and 60 RBIs, it’s not going to be “oh man, Cashman made a bad move dealing prospects for that dude”. It’s going to be “well, Curtis Granderson couldn’t handle playing for the Yankees, because they’re somehow different from the other teams he’s played for. I’ll be damned if I actually know how they’re different, but they so totally are!”
You’re under a MUCH stronger microscope on and off the field playing in NYC. Players, managers and anyone around baseball (or any sport for that matter) almost unanimously agree on this. To claim playing for the Yankees is no different from playing for the Tigers is just foolish. Only thing you would have to support it is rhetoric like “every team is trying to win!” and while that’s true, the daily consequences and attention heaped on you for not winning is like night and day between the Yankees/Sox and other teams. Especially now that the Sox have won two titles recently, this new breed of Sox fan seems to think they should win every year.
The Yankees aren’t the only team that falls under a stricter microscope than the rest of the league, but you can’t tell me playing for the Tigers or Royals is the same as playing for the Yankees. So far, Granderson is handling it pretty well though. Vasquez is not. Tex handled it well for most of last year but struggled in the postseason, A-Rod had his troubles but finally broke through. Some never make that breakthrough, and just wind up traded or in the minors. Jeter (farm system prospect don’t forget) has not only thrived under that pressure but embraced it, we’ve only got so many of those players in the league. Chase Utley strikes me as another, especially after almost singlehandedly winning games during the World Series.
That’s the reality of sports, a lot of players are talented but wilt under pressure. The pressure in NYC is the strongest of any market, at least in baseball.
A winner is me.
It’s like Nori and a retarded Simon Says machine birthed a child and it sought revenge on this whole thread…
imo.
Randy Johnson as a Yankee. Remember that?
LOL.
Speaking of which, where the hell is Nori? Did he go into seclusion after the Giants missed the playoffs?