Gagne, Lugo, Renteria, Trading Manny. Givig JD Drew way too much money. The bargain basement pitching staff from last year. Daisuke, Fucking up the Lowell/Ortiz situation. Not signing Jason Bay, not signing Mark Texiera. Played hardball with Beckett giving him 4 years but giving Lackey 5. Pretending that defense is important at fenway and signing beltre and cameron. I think that covers his negatives. Texiera and bay are big ones. lars anderson is turning into a bust.
Plus for Theo, the top 3 of the rotation locked up for the next 4 to 5 years. Buchholz. Casey Kelly and the other good prospects. Scutaro. Martinez. Schilling. I can’t really think of anything recently, Curt wasnt really even recently, to add. Help Me out.
Edgar Renteria you can’t really blame him for. He’s one of those perplexing cases where a guy is great somewhere, shitty in Boston, and then great where ever they go in Boston.
The pitching staff wasn’t exactly “bargain basement” last year. It’s actually pretty much the same crew as last year (though we lost Takashi Saito and Billy Wagner, which sucks).
Don’t be so quick to dismiss Daisuke. Yeah, having a lost season in 2009 sucks, but shit happens. The year before that he put up a 2.90, and you can’t really knock that even with the “blargh, can’t make it to the 7th inning!” stuff.
The Lowell/Ortiz situation isn’t handled by Theo.
I’m not at all mourning the loss of Jason Bay. We all know that he wanted 4-5 years, and his knees are already starting to go. The Sox knew it, and they weren’t going to spend $60 million to keep some people happy and sell some jerseys.
As for Tex…you can’t really blame them for not getting him. It’s not like free agency is a controlled environment like arbitration. Especially with Scott Boras there.
Which is why you can’t really blame them for giving Lackey five years.
You know, winning 2 world series after nearly a century-long drought, I would have thought the Red Sox Nation’s loyalty to David Ortiz would be life-long. Now of course I realize business and the fans aren’t always intertwined. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Big Papi get cut or traded somehow. But I’m still kinda surprised at how fast the FANS turned on him. But then I forget that a good percentage of the current Red Sox fan base are people who became fans within the last 6-7 years.
As a Yankee fan for over 20 years, (since I was 8) as much shit that has been flung between myself and Red Sox fans over the years, I have always respected the old school fans. If you asked any of them 10 years ago if they could choose to have a player that would win them 2 world series rings but you’d have to deal with his career tailing down near the end they would have all accepted that in a heartbeat…
As a long-suffering Knick fan, if Patrick Ewing had won 2 NBA championships he would have stayed a Knick for the remainder of his career, with no knees, averaging 3 rebounds a game, taking ill-advised jumper after ill-advised jumper, and no Knick fan would have said a goddamn word. Hell, he never won and we STILL had fans who didn’t want to trade him at the end.
I remember Don Mattingly being my favorite player, not because he had great OPS or slugging percentage, but because I met him and he signed my baseball. It broke my heart that he retired right before the Yankees started rattling off championships. What happened to the sports fans of this generation? Very few fans care about the human beings that are the players unless they do something bad like cheat on his wife, get drunk, or take a bunch of steroids. They stopped seeing people and started only seeing numbers. Aren’t sports supposed to be about entertainment? Where’s the fun in that?
As a Yankee fan, I sincerely hope you Sawx fans appreciate what Big Papi has done for your team. (And sign him for another 5 years, dooming your organization to non-playoff status for the long haul. )
Yea but if Ortiz drugged himself with steroids then milked the team out of millions by overpaying him and now he’s sucking cause he doesn’t have his roids or his magic eye drops he should be booed and forced to return the money
Joe Torre, sir. Not seeing how a Yankees fan can criticize anyone for not appreciating somebody who’s done a great deal for an organization.
They haven’t “turned” on Ortiz, per se. But he’s undeniably hurting the Red Sox team as a whole, and he’s not being stealthy about his dissatisfaction with his role on the team. I, personally, am not one of those people who have turned on Ortiz. But when the Sox are 4-8 or whatever, it’s not surprising that the Sox fans are going into freakout mode. Hell, look at how they treat Matsuzaka.
When it comes to Torre, it seems less that the fans soured on him than Yankees management soured on him in regards to his contract situation.
David Ortiz - Boston fans really are bitching pretty hard now.
Even Philly fans didn’t really curse out Lidge last year because of his perfect WS season the year before that.
Daisuke pitching peripherals sucked. No way he deserved a 2.90 ERA that year, but hey, Boston fans can rationalize that all they want.
Boston fans are indeed bitches though, ie. Celtics fans already turning on Garnett, wanting Ray Allen shipped out, and hating on the management that just two years ago risked it all to give them a championship.
It’s just hilarious to me when the criticism comes from YANKEE FANS, who are notorious for constantly shitting on their own players. ie. Everyone wanting to ship Alex Rodridguez’s ass out of town because he was “unclutch” in the postseason even though he out hit such worshipped Clutch Hitting Gods as Jeter, Bernie, and O’Neil in most of the series they played.
Don’t kid yourself. They broke out the torches and pitchforks with the quickness.
Well, Lidge had a perfect World Series the season before. Ortiz had a .238 season before that and a .264 year where he broke his wrist the year before. Again, I’m not one of the people saying that Ortiz is done (I think what he brings to the Sox lineup is worth rolling the dice on, just for a little longer) but it’s not like he hasn’t been on a marked downward slope for the few years.
Daisuke isn’t a fan favorite in Boston anymore. I don’t see how you can say he didn’t “deserve” it, though.
You can feel free to point me to the index that tells me what stats players deserve. Or maybe you should just go to the dictionary and look up what “deserve” means.
This, although there was some debate among fans, too. A lot of the newer fans were the ones saying he was too soft, while a lot of the fans who were around for players like Mattingly (still sucks that he had to miss out by one year ) wanted to remain loyal to him. I would have gladly kept Torre until he wanted to retire.
And yes Ortiz is a different situation. He was a random jobber before taking steroids, had his good roid years, and now he’s slow, fat and sucks. Well he was always fat but lol baseball. A-Roid, he was a beast from the start even without the roids. He’s presumably clean now, and just won a title with clutch hitting throughout the playoffs, overcoming a huge knock on him in years past. So did A-Rod produce more for the years he was taking roids? Maybe, but it did him no good, and he was a good hitter regardless. Ortiz’s main years of production directly coincided with the steroid accusations.
Not giving A-Roid a pass for cheating, because he did and there will always be that asterisk near his and many other players names. But Ortiz didn’t get good until he started juicing, and now he sucks.
But it wasn’t even his defence…his 2007 HR/FB ratio was really low as well, only 6%, which factors into xFIP.
Dice-K’s 2007 xFIP = 4.70
Pretty crazy.
Wow, Zobrist extended for 5 years, $30 million. That’s pretty good…between that and Longoria’s contract, the Rays are actually pretty set. They had limitless trade pieces too, even if they don’t decide to trade Crawford.
If only they didn’t play in the AL East, they might actually go somewhere.
Absolutely fantastic.
English semantics have officially entered into the baseball thread, ladies and gentlemen.
Ok, what does idiots booing Jeter have ANYTHING to do with what I said? The criticism came from me. Not “YANKEE FANS”. I am A Yankee fan, but I’m not all the Yankee fans, nor do I pretend I speak for all of them. I’ve never shitted on a player that I see is still making an effort. I was disgusted with the morons in my city who boo’d Jeter. I was very glad Hideki Matsui got the great ovation he deserved when he got his WS ring a few days ago, because I wasn’t sure he would get it.
But we’re talking about the Red Sox. An entirely different franchise. Oh I’m sorry, but did the YANKEES have an 86-year long drought of World Series championships broken for them? A lot of Yankee fans today don’t remember when we were bad. They’re spoiled with success. But the Red Sox were known for a very long time as losers. You’d think they’d show more appreciation to a player who had a huge part in winning 2 rings pretty recently.
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