Not trolling, legit question to the people who play this game

Dante had an air lariat. A. Fucking. Air. Lariat.

If anyone didn’t need that, it was the guy with air dashes, a teleport that puts him in the air, TODs of of any hit, and top 5 support because of assists and DHC glitch.

V. Dante > Vergil and Doom
V. Wolverine > U. Wolverine
V. Phoenix > Any anchor in the game
V. X Factor > U. X Factor

Also, Zero was still very much retarded in Vanilla. Ultimate was out for months before “Lightning Loops” were taken seriously, when they were a thing since Vanilla.

Yes, vanilla hammer was a great move
Execution required to play vanilla Dante > execution required to play doom and Vergil
Ultimate Wolverine and Vanilla Wolverine are basically the same, he lost I frames on derper slash but gained the ability to solo confirm off of an instant air L through the use of air X factor.
Phoenix was def the best anchor In the game, but then again there was still akuma, taskmaster, spencer, dante, wolverine, magneto and to a lesser extent sentinel, dorm, wesker and ammy. Sure they weren’t as good as Phoenix but they were still options.
Vanilla xfactor reset damage scaling in addition to a damage boost which is basically what? Your TOD combo is going to kill and it’s going to take a second less? As opposed to “nerfed xfactor damage” of ultimate which meant shit considering everyone got a health nerf except for Arthur and now you have the freedom of using it anywhere on the screen and at anytime.
And okay, zero could link like maybe 2 shadow clone supers and needed assists considering he couldnt yolo swag lol jk buster everything? Seems reasonable to me
Edit: went back and watched vanilla lightning loops, still don’t see the big facanation over lightning loops, it still takes 2-3 meters to kill a character, not really anything different than doing a dhc, zeros neutral in ultimate is what makes him retarded considering how he can just level 3 buster to make everything safe and get combos off of stray hits he wouldn’t normally get combos off of

Balltappers game history from most recent to further in the past as much as i can remember:

TTT2 - stopped playing because a person mentioned something law can do that was broken
Injustice - stopped playing because patch came out that made wake-up moves easier
SSFIV - stopped playing because focus attack is abuseable
SFxT - stopped playing, don’t remember the reasoning
Umvc3 - stopped playing because “bad play is rewarded” and XFactor is stupid, doesn’t teach anything
MvC3 - stopped playing when Umvc3 came out

Currently playing KOF13 and 3rd strike

still likes mvc2 for some reason, even though theirs really only a few teams in that game that mean anything at higher lvl play, fewer then umvc3 for sure.

Now i mention these because, for one, Balltapper isn’t a random scrub that doesn’t play the game and comes to troll. Doesn’t play it currently, but he’s played it. But the main reason i needed to mention this is because, it doesn’t take much to make him drop a game, and while we all know umvc3 isn’t a perfect game, it’s definitely still evolving, and that says a lot for a game that hasn’t gotten patched since it’s debut.

Also saying akuma or taskmaster is an “optional” anchor over phoenix in vanilla is like saying magneto is an optional anchor over vergil in ultimate. Sure, he has his options while running solo with no assists and XF3 to boost him, but are they really on par with each other?

The wolverine thing is just silly. The ricky ortiz is only logical when killing their final character or when taking out the highest priority on the opponents team (possibly a snapped anchor vergil). Berserker slash with invulnerabilty every time it’s used beats out a one time use instant overhead that requires the most precious resource you have in a match - XFactor. With an assist, that instant overhead is confirmable either way.

I agree on how vanilla dantes execution vs ultimates doom and vergil is a decent reason to give him an air lariat, and in that game dante still wasn’t really broken when haggar lariat and tron gustaf fire were completely invincible assists, with phoenix as broken as she was, and the lack of air XFactor giving 5 dormammu hyper-balls-of-chip gave a balance to dantes abilities. Which brings me to the next point of agreement/arguement.

Ultimate XF is not a nerf to vanilla. It was a buff. TAC’s leading to infinites, a free meter or deducting a meter from the opponent, and the TAC tech using XF to basically nullify your opponents tac break is one of the reasons that it’s a buff. BT already pointed out that everyones health was nerfed, and a lot of characters can TOD now or do a TAC infinite to kill, and thus XF is not ever needed to kill still and can be used as a guard break, guard break protection, lol vergil, the aforementioned tech, anti-phoenix tech of other variants, strider usefulness, or to guarantee the final characters death if you happen not to have the meter or just want to ignore the need for good execution in that final kill. In my previous mention of the dormammu hyper balls, i feel the air XF was kinda needed, but they should have completely removed the damage buff itself, leaving chip nullification and maybe the speed boost which gives the damage buff alone (through normally impossible combos/infinites that would scale down to shit wasting the XF time).

If you were not already eating your words over how blatantly wrong this statement is, you should be after Evo pools today.

It wasn’t pools really
was mostly top 32, but yeah it was pretty cool!

Meanwhile still waiting for those reasons from discovigilante

playing 3s and MVC2 sounds like a good idea

“You want more?” was a rhetorical question, implying that what I had listed was enough to define Vanilla as more broken than Ultimate. However I can tell you’re unmovable, which I respect, and also a major whiner, which is a waste of time, and as such will back off.

so phoenix, whom of which anti phoenix tech has been found in ultimate far since she was a problem, so she was dumb for her time but is just as manageable now as she is in Ultimate. Dante, whom required an upper middle level of execution and was the most difficult character in the game to play well deserved to not be really good? every character not having an OTG was a baseless argument, did not being able to block during air dashes really change the game that much? do you see people blindly air dashing into shockwaves and hail storms? but i guess me arguing with you is as useless as you arguing with you. but the amount of people who got top 16 at evo with the shittiest team composition and just got by on doom and or vergil being on their team is completely astonishing, also, rayray among a few other “top players” having no idea how to play the game and getting as far as they did was really amazing too.

I love 3rd Strike and all, but top 8 @ Evo has me wanting to play Marvel 3 more than ever. So many things overcome. So much left to do. Flocker’s chicken blocks vs. J.Wong’s Storm mix ups were on point. J.Wong blocked literally impossible to block stuff from Zero when he was in the corner as well. Stream broke down and next thing bracket was reset. Angelic going to work with fucking Shuma is amazing also.

Once Killer Instinct comes out I’ll have all of my cheese ass fighting games to choose from. Marvel 3, Skullgirls and KI3.

3s is a timeless great game

Marvel 3 is so sick though. so much bullshit, something really missing from modern fighting games.

UMvC3: Very fun game to watch. You have to be thinking in this game. Scrubs will always drop out of games because they don’t have what it takes to win. Haters gonna hate. Scrubs gonna cry.

UMvC3 is the best final at EVO2013.

A game with the DHC glitch and blocking during air dashes had less stupid stuff than Ultimate? Really? K.

at least dhc glitch made more characters viable, but you can sit here and have no idea what your talking about, thats cute too

Well, TACS make more point characters viable since it lets anyone with shit damage kill off a throw even
it doesn’t mean it’s good for the game

A broken mechanic that makes “more characters viable” does not make it a better game, otherwise people would be raving about how much better XMvsSF is than MvC2. The level of skill required to dominate in Vanilla was restricted to being able to block long enough til mashing L became your win button (Phoenix) or having some combination of a team with an invincible assist, a character with an install super, and a character with a “spinning state” super if not all.

But hey, you can sit here and act like what you say is law, that’s cute, too.

DHC glitch caused Vanilla to stagnate creatively.

Please don’t tell me you thought that was a good thing.

Wait, someone made a Capcom vs Marvel game?
Man the people of this fan game is going to get sued by Capcom and Marvel Disney.

This, the recent trend to patch things ASAP has made this game where using and abusing glitches and other BS is par for the course (and expected at high level play) a refreshing breath of fresh air.

Phoenix was not manageable during Vanilla’s time like she is now. Consider also that a guy won EVO knowing how to play exactly one of his characters well. Dante was going to get more bullshit as time went on, and he was more abusing of glitches (not just DHC glitches) than anyone in the game. Dante/Ammy would become very absurd. Yes, blocking during air dashes made it so you didn’t have to commit as much to your movement. That said, I forgot to mention Gustaff Fire and Lariat.

There were 5 Vergils in top 16 (3 were not in the anchor position, the other two were PR Balrog and Chris G, the latter of whom doesn’t really play Vergil anchor). 7 Dooms. Not an overwhelming amount, and it’s not like the players won because those characters were on their teams, they might just be (get this) good players. Saying RayRay doesn’t know how to play doesn’t mean much when you clearly don’t know shit about the game yourself (or even play, for that matter).

By the way, if you can brave the (wherever you’re from) -> Japanese PS3 internet connection I’d gladly destroy you with bullshit in Vanilla MvC3. Though I would need to find a copy.