Fixed.
If you’re referring to me, most of the things I call lag tactics, I can STILL punish most of the time in the delay. Besides, I’ve done tests with this…testing various counters to various moves in both environments, and it’s pretty clear I can counter almost all of it offline. Also, there are certain combos that I do using reaction (that is, reacting to the sound the character makes during moves, in order to do the next one…like Whip’s BC corner combo), and noticed if I try to do the combo that way online, it NEVER works due to the delay. Of course…with the existence of the lag tactics, most people just get pissed off and quit instead of trying to overcome them.
I think in some sense online play can improve your reaction ability even more than offline play can, depending on how dedicated you are…For instance, trying your best to overcome lag tactics by training yourself to pay more and more attention to the opponent’s actions, eventually to the point where the delay almost doesn’t affect your game.
but anyway, online can be valuable, for the reasons Sabre mentioned.
^agreed!!
This thread lacks facts. Deathscythe probably has one of the best views here. In the end anyone who plays Tekken will buy it on ps3. It will sell well, and people will have console tourneys. Online is hard and we all know why. U could argue about online play but how bout inviting friends to your house to play or going over to their house? If it is a good fighting game thats all that matters.
And considering that this game is being made on an arcade platform based on the PS3 this confirms it will be arcade perfect. So I got no complaints here. Go outside be active and play at a friends house. And LMAO at the title “this will sink namco” yeah right. How does a company that produces many games and has revenue to boot sink due to a game having no online?
eh, my two cents.
I don’t care what anyone says about frames or whatever but every fighting game should be online. I understand that a game like tekken or vf5 has certain moves that may or may not come out because lag, but who cares. The only people that will truly get mad over this is someone who takes it seriously and are hardcore, and the vast majority of hardcore players will play it at an arcade.
Online is meant to be fun and not hardcore. Someone pointed out that not everyone lives near an arcade. Online ftw. Some of these arcades are not cheap either. Which scenario is better?
Scenario1
- “gamer” drives 45 min to local arcade just to get some casual games in. (This is his nearest arcade) Gas is $3.05 a gallon.
- “gamer” spends almost $1.oo on each game because the arcade has to make money to stay in business.
- “gamer” drives 45 min back home.
or
Scenario 2
1.“gamer” turns on ps3 to play some tekken
2. “gamer” goes to online mode
3. “gamer” gets in numerous games in with only a few that were unplayable due to lag.
Bonus. He also saved a few dollars that night.
The point i’m trying to make is online should be present regardless if someone feels it would be unplayable. Because there is someone out there who believes it is playable. Hardcore people sometimes tend to think its all about them sometimes.
The thing is hardcore people have an option, casuals don’t. You can just “play offline”. Well, we want to just “play online”. Its not like we are hurting anyone. there are other stipulation 2. Some people cannot use arcades sticks. Yes there are people out their who can’t. (and please don’t say anything about them needing to learn, why can’t they use what they are comfortable with.)
I think everything should be online thats 2-whatever players. ex. the new mario party…I want it. but the people I chill with aren’t gonna play it. I’ve asked them and they say its kiddy. Therefore Nintendo has lost 1 sale from someone who would have bought it if it had onine play. So what should I “be able to do?” I should be able to go online and play. But I can’t since its not online. SINCE SOMEONE WHO PROBABLY ISN’T EVEN GOING THROUGH WHAT I’M AM GOING THROUGH (but will say they are) IS SAYING THAT IT SHOULDN’T BE ONLINE BECAUSE OF SOME FUCKING FRAME.
How is it fun to not have the moves you want come out? Not only the hardcore people will complain about the lag. Besides this though, I agree with most of your post.
Yeah it would be nice to see every 2 player game online. But that ain’t gonna happen. Namco and Sega make games and make money. And right now it is not in their interests. And the fact that Sega/Sammy is in financial trouble they aren’t going to pay for VF5 online. And namco will not profit from making their game online. So in the end am I the only one here excited about Tekken 6 even coming out to PS3?
I can’t wait to invite some friends over and play the game. As for saving money by playing online rather than driving to the arcade for some comp, it is a good point but if you want it so bad how about starting a petition.
Lol that shits not fun at all. But I’d feel alot better saying that than driving that long distance every other day. But not every game is gonna lag that bad. I’ve had games that were played as if it were offline before, and the guy lived in maryland. I try to put myself in the other person’s shoes. I myself have to drive 45 min to get to Planet Zero, then play on small japanese sticks that i can’t use because i’m so used to pads. So my moves never come out the way I want them to at an arcade anyway. But thanks for agreeing with me.
Otaku I see your points. If they can’t AFFORD to make it online then thats a valid excuse. I’m just speaking about people who say it shouldn’t be online because of insert OPINION here
And i’m not just not seeing how Namco will not make a profit from enabling online… Scenario time!!!
Offline Tekken
- The hardcore gamers will buy - “Money gained”
- The casuals will buy. - “Money gained”
- The arcades will buy. - “Money gained + extra money for arcade” .
- MOST online gamers won’t buy but some will - “Money Lost”
Online tekken
- The hardcore gamers will STILL buy and dip in online mode just for kicks and complain - “MONEY STILL GAINED”
- The casuals will STILL BUY. - “MONEY STILL GAINED”
- The arcades will buy - “MONEY STILL GAINED” (arcades may suffer a slight bit but the hardcore will support the scene regardless.
- All online gamers will buy since their needs have been met. "MONEY GAINED
- NEW PEOPLE WILL BUY SINCE THE CAN PLAY ONLINE. “MONEY GAINED”
So I don’t see how namco will lose money on making it online unless they make it offline.the only way I see them spending money is if they want to provide their own servers.
P.s. for the road, everyone doesn’t have friends that share their interests. Some people just can’t “invite people to play what they would like to play”. I’m sure there are people out there who may not have friends.
Put online in all fighting games, if you dont like online then dont use it.
Simple enough for ya 
I agree fully.
Just make a petition.
I really don’t want to sound rude.
However I think I need to ask this question.
Do any of you online players have friend near you?
I don’t really think that is relevant. Most of my offline friends don’t care about fighting games much, if at all.
Fuck all the faggots in the this thread saying “fuck online, go meet people”. While yes in theory, like online play for fighters, it’s good(rl contact > all), in reality it’s damn near impossible.
I lived in AZ up until last year and their ain’t NO WAY a scene worth talking about will E V E R develop…EVER!
Now I’m up here in Seattle but at least people in Washington are close to one and another unlike someplaces(AZ), so here it’s easier but getting meetings together isn’t that easy. The reasone it’s easy to get excited here in WA is
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people are close by
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people are close by
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people are close by
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people are close by that have interest in fighting games
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WA isn’t as broke and spread out as AZ
The only people saying fuck online are the ones who aren’t going through a big struggle like the rest of us. They might say they are but it can’t be too bad if you can’t agree on online gaming
Sorry, it was just a question. I live in England its a small country.
Sorry guys, but you need to grow up. Noone is attacking you.
Why can’t some of you debate, intead or turning it into a, ‘I have it so hard, it’s me against the world’ thread?
I’ve already mentioned that I’m indifferent, when it comes to netplay. I just played KOF 2002 against someone close by and it was terrible.
For two reasons.
a) I suck.
b) No lag is an impossibility.
However, there are more than enough gamers playing it. Which leads me to believe players do want this.
My argument is, why do the online players keep blaming the players who want to keep it offline?
It’s not there fault. If you have a problem with the situation, write a letter or a petition.
Shoryuken CANNOT help you.
Struggle? heh, you’re talking as if the UK has a proper scene too! ha!
Look, my personal stance is that if the game doesn’t play as it’s intended online, then why the fuck should I really bother. I’m not playing the the game proper - I’m not getting the experience I payed for. Developers can see it from this angle too - and if they choose to take this path then I don’t blame them.
They could throw in online for the sake of it, but you’re losing out on the genuine experience and for me, I don’t want to lose out on that, even if I have no access to players! =p
Exactly, the UK scene wasn’t even there when I joined it. lol.
We just get on with it.
It seems your missing out on the point i’m making. I’m not lashing out on anyone all i’m saying is let the option be available.
Scenario
So gamer #1 had a horrible experience online last night. Each game he encountered, had lag issues and delay that seemed like a full second. So he goes and says fighting games should not be online…
But what about gamer#2 who had a great experience online last night. each game he played ran as smooth as can be. Should he suffer from not playing online anymore because someone else doesn’t like it?
OR
Lets say gamer#2 had th same issues as gamer#1 but didn’t feel too bad about it. He takes a loss for the night and tries to see how it goes along tomorrow.
You typed
"They could throw in online for the sake of it, but you’re losing out on the genuine experience and for me, I don’t want to lose out on that, even if I have no access to players!"
But some people probably don’t care about a genuine experience. They just wanna play. They might of just woke up at 3 in the morning and can’t call their “friends” or go to “the arcade” to play.
MAN THERE IS NOTHING NO ONE CAN SAY THAT WILL JUSTIFY NOT MAKING ALL FIGHTERS ONLINE
The playing field is not equal. Like you said, someone could be playing on LAGATRON5000 and not liking it while the other player had no problems at all. The problem has already been found and to top it off, it’s not even consistent. There will always be some form of conflict.
As for the people not looking for the genuine experience, they’ll just be missing out on what they could be achieving. Sucks to be them I suppose.
if scea made an online portal service that you would be required to pay for, they could probably afford servers that would perform better.
but the fact of the matter is simple, anything network related, you’re only as strong as your weakest link, there’s too much that could go wrong, or not work at all.
imo.
Like mostly all online 3d games…the faster characters will always win. 