Converter or not, the lag is still present. Lag spikes were a bitch and if you wanted smooth games, you’d have to play on a private server since the public servers sucked. It seriously throws off your timing. And if you want to factor in the converter, input lag plays a huge role as well.
To the OP: regardless of whether or not it would be playable, you don’t honestly believe that releasing T6 without online play is going to do anything but put a small dent in Namco’s sales, do you? Doesn’t claiming that it will “sink” the company strike you as a bit alarmist?
In all practicality, a fighting game that doesn’t have consistently tight and responsive control is not playable–at least, not for anybody but the most casual of gamers who couldn’t care less about such things (re: scrubs). And in this day and age, casual gamers tend to stay away from fighting games anyway. For this reason, I don’t see a lack of online play affecting T6’s sales much. Namco might as well save a bit on the production costs and wait until the technology improves to the point where the online experience is virtually indistinguishable from offline play.
In retards to snickfighterguy*snick I just have one question for the rest of you. Are the stairs restricted to women at all times? I feel they really need to be implemented here.
Seriously son…you dumb.
I personally think Microsoft or whoever will really push Sega to put Virtua Fighter 5 Online for xbox live since every game on 360 has a online function of some kind.
with street fighter 2, Street fighter AE, UMK3, and DOA4 having online modes in them, and its really the selling point for 360 games , It would be pretty bad if they released VF5 for 360 with no online play. I know since there is Zero VF5 scene in the area, im pretty sure it would be a no-buy for me.
Just a random tid-bit, imo, the online play in DoA 4 is very good, when i first got it, me and cole and other ppl on srk played it alot, juding from how people play the game and what happened at evo, i didnt enter doa4, but im pretty sure, just from training offline and playing with people only from the netplay online, i could have easily gotten top 8 at evo. and DOA4 was like a year and a half ago, if they improved the net code from then to now in future games, it wont be far off until it becomes better and more acceptable than what #reload offered.
That was the point I was trying to make before. I think Namco doesn’t have online play because they won’t pay for it. The way I understand it, Sony doesn’t run the servers for their games, so the developers have to.
But, Microsoft charges for XBOX Live so they control the servers. Bill Gates talked about XBOX Live from day 1. They put a lot of money into it. Rarely do you hear talk of lag on XBOX Live. It’s usually only an issue if you play someone who has a red ping.
So, the technology is there and it can be done. I think this is why there was no Tekken or Virtua Fighter 4 on XBOX. Same thing with Alpha Anthology.
Online lag free is a dream. Ive enjoyed DOA online 75 percent lag free and to me it was fun i can still have fun with Tekken in a way BUTTTT what about the now FAMOUS PS3 controllers turning off during play imagine during a major for THAT to happen it would suck. I love playing my homies in DR than all of a sudden I or they are on the attack and we have to stop because the PS3 controller lost sinc. Until I see a converter that allows PS1 pads if one exists we will still suffer.
Hello converters. If you’re playing on a pad, you could use the Radioshack USB converter on the PS3. And there is the HRAP3 and VFHG stick for the PS3.
LOL. Lag on XBOX Live is as rare as people catching the common cold.
At the end of the day when its all said and done, Tekken 6 will sell alot regardless of no online play. So this whole debate is useless.
Argument predated by DoA community 2 years ago.
Online play blows if you wish to become a serious player, if you are only playing casually or for shits are giggles than there is no real problem.
The thing is you have a lot of losers who use online play as a measuring stick for skill irreguardless of the flaws behind online plays and hide behind their gt/sn/computer whatever. And that shits up a community a lot, I think that’s what people are talking about.
Online play tends to make people lazy and not want to travel for their game. Which is where all the fears are coming from, aka people saw what happened to the doa community (not the game’s position currently, as it’s actually given shit loads of attention by Microsoft but we ALL know what that is so, moot point), people are afraid that there will be even less people supporting and traveling.
VF and Tekken aren’t going to get online play cause that will hurt there massive sales in the arcades in japan, you know, where they get most of there money. Last time I checked Sega’s console division is known for coming up every business quarter at a loss.
good lord man…let it go, will ya? you don’t always need online play to have a good time with a game…shit…
I’m sure they know eventually there won’t be a choice, but like the OP said, they are being lazy and getting all they can before they have to look at online play and investing in the future. But everyone is still a bit behind, SF is just now getting HD, but i think you can wait on HD more than you can wait on online play, since online play seems to take a lot more time to get right.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say it will sink them, but as far as the american market, it is definately a risky path. When they do eventually come around, they will definately be behind, it’s going to be interesting to see what they do to catch up. Hypothetically If tekken 7s online game is buggy and new, while the SFs, DOAs, and others have theirs down pat, namco is going to have a fight to stay in the limelight.
The current hardcore players shouldn’t be afraid of losing players, that’s really a myth, the bigger and more important issue is all the money and support we lose every day that we aren’t increasing the current base of serious players.
As many ppl know, Starcraft 2 was just announced, gonna be just another online game to take away from our scene, it’s time for fighters to get on the ball.
and everyone who plays these games are obligated to travel and play to be good and have to take it seriously? think outside the box. there are more players that play these games than the ones at srk.
the doa scene is a bad example cuz it never had an offline scene even before ultimate and doa4, so your argument is completely moot point. it had a couple games in the arcade prior and it was DEAD ON ARRIVAL, aka DOA, how ironic. no one cared.
will online make you into a top player? no, of course not, unless its damn near flawless in everyway. if you are new to the series, will it improve your game? fuck yeah it will. online play may be the stepping stone for a lot of new players to try and take seriously, eventually making transition to serious offline play. they used online, to meet new players, open their eyes up to the world of competition, learn of sites like SRK, see the videos, hear of $100,000 tourneys, and what have you, and become intrigued. if it didnt have online, the player might never get exposed to all this, further stunting the growth of the community.
and last i checked, some really good players have emerged from the online scene COUGH…AFROLEGENDS…COUGH. gee, i remember AE not having the absolute best netcode. i remember afrolegends being a gamefaqs member. i remember how we always thought gamefaq posters as jokes (we still do). i remember he started out on live pretty decently. and now i remember him getting i think 9th in ST back in evo2k5 in his first year(ironically another live only player cracked top 8 that year)and it was his first tourney, then he cracks top 8 in AE at evo 2k6, and even gets his OWN slot on the evo trailer. and then he gets 2nd at the sbo qualifier.
cigarbob got 13th i believe in 2k5 for just playing online mostly.
yup, online is for scrubs only. is someone gonna tell me now that alex valle is a scrub? hmm i remember before he made his comeback 1 1/2 years ago. he played a lot of 3s on live, myself and other played him a lot. i learned a lot even online playing him. granted its alex valle, but then he comes back in the offline world and starts getting his top status back.
i have a personal friend that only plays 3s with real people like 4 times a year cuz he lives too far away from anyone, so he only plays on live. yet he can give lots of good players hard times, he always qualifies with ease, and gets far. iirc, he got top 16 at evo 2k5, and dont remember in 2k6, and he only plays online cuz he has no choice.
and there’s a lot of other people that have emerged from the online world and are now active in the offline tourney scene. if we didnt have online, we might have never goten an “afrolegends” to look forward to into tourneys. these are just some examples
yeah online is completely stupid! sarcasm.
you cant completely take online serious. but you can still learn if you have no other means to comp. and you can still have a good time playing buddies, and meeting new people, and possibly motivating you to go places to play. ive met countless people from the online world that have made it to offline.
its a matter of balance i think, play online and offline, and you wont forget the feel of timing IMO. i can go online one day, then go offline the next and adjust in one match.
yeah you’ll get countless e-thugs online and whiners. but last i checked, you get morons on forums as well that do play offline. if not, we wouldnt be flooded with “morons” on srk or any other forum for that matter. yeah most players you see online probably will not ever go play people offline. well, every sf release on consoles in the past few years only sell like 30-40,000 copies(very rough estimate) for each game, yet you dont get 30-40,000 people at a massive tourney, instead we only get a few hundred out of all that. the only difference here is that going online, now you are physically playing those 39,000 other people that dont play outside their home, that normally, you would wonder where they all are. but you know what, now those 39,000 other buyers, might get randomly tipped by another player about SRK and the whole FG community and a new player is born.
i dont think anyone here can honestly say online is a terrible thing in the grand scheme of things. we all want more players, this is where its at. arcades are dead, there are less ways to expose ourselves to these unknowns and have this scene grow. i dont want online to take over, it just needs to be another tool
Afrolegends is my hero man. I remember when he first got on GFaqs he was talking about how he could beat anyone at AE on the boards and no one believed him and called him a scrub, pussy for using “not having XBL yet” as an excuse etc. Then he gets on and fucks up everyone who gave him shit. Then the “You use lag tactics” posts start coming blah blah “Yeah, you beat me online, so what? why don’t you go to EVO or something if you’re so great”. Then he disappears, people continue to talk shit while he’s away.
Months later Evo2k5 results get posted, he’s in top 10. everyone shuts the fuck up.
t’was awesome :lol:
On topic: I’ll beat the dead horse, T6 not having online play in 2007 is freaking dumb.
Man I remember like 4 years ago, people used to take a piss on online play. People also used to take a piss on SNK games too.
This place is topsy turvy and flipped all around. Maybe it’s desperation or something.
Online only displays like 65-70% of one’s game. There are a ton of great players that got their start playing online games alot too. Players like kofiend come to mind too, just like how people brought up Afrolegends.
Pretty much my standpoint on it all is, just do whatever the hell you want to do. Sometimes playing online you can get into this mode that if something is beating you, it’s obviously lag tactics or some shit. But in reality, you get stubborn and use that as an excuse and then even offline you can’t get past it, when lag tactics are obviously non-existent.
I’ve always been on the standpoint of a game should always have the option to be played online cause it doesnt hurt. However looking at other communities like DOA and shit, I realized that online play is a double edged sword.
None. Both will lose first round for sure. Unless they happen to play each other. Then I’m with you
Nope. Online players always lose. They never get even close to the finals at any decent tourneys. Those are the facts. Online sucks if you want to play at a competitive level. you should stick to the argument that online play can be a lot of fun. That is true and a good one.
Afrolegends got really good when he started playing offline (ask Valle or hear some Alphaism radio intreviews with him). And even now he is not on par with the top offline players (Wolfe brothers, Nelson and what not). And he is really, really far in the curve. Most of the other 12 million online players lose every single tourney first round.
Online can be a lot of fun, but has nothing to do with hardcore levels. And if you don’t notice lag on XBL, is because you suck, at least compared to the top players. Go to a tourney and find out how much you suck. Then you may get better and noptice how much difference a few frames can make
its not a double edged sword. doa is just a horrible example to represent the rest of the community cuz once again, even before online play, doa still never had a scene at all. if anything, the doa community is stronger than its ever been, even tho its still terribly small with real players. 3s i think is pretty damn popular online, or it was in its peak, as well as cvs2, and 3s numbers grew at tourneys, and cvs2 is still going well. online is not hurting us at all, if anything, it could be helping us when just looking at sheer numbers
I guess you’re right.
It increases the player base, no denying.
Can you agree that it also brings in the wrong kinds of players too though?
Actually though, what does that even matter. A player’s a player I suppose.
whats the wrong type of players? scrubs? have you seen the majority of the scene? offline brings em too. this scene is nothing without the scrubs. you weed out “scrubs/noobs/over confident shit talker that knows no better” from the scene, you wouldnt even have 100 people for 3s at evo. people gotta start somewhere. but many people can atleast come out from online play to become decent at the least. the average player is only decent, competent, or sucks. if that werent the case, then pool play would have good players in every pool and everyone would have to fight their asses off to get out. heh
Naw I was thinking the type that bring the value of the scene down.
The ones that have never and don’t ever play offline, strictly online, and bash the skill base of all players that do play offline. And act like they’re better than everyone else, and never accept challenges and things like that. You know the posters I’m talking about, we see them all the time.
I’m not arguing or disagreeing with you though, I just don’t agree with you 100%. There’s too many people with shitty attitudes and it’s messed up. It makes those types of players, and it also makes the ones that could easily travel, choose not to cause they can just play a lesser version online.
Bringing down the value of those that actually don’t have a choice, because of their job demands and stuff.