New Fei video thread for Super

[s0lid_snake_mgs4]

If you analyse the vids CORRECTLY, you’ll notice that Tokido did ZERO dive kick/tatsu cross up when Star or me got ultra2…

Don’t you think that it decreases substantially the power of Gouki’s vortex ?

if Tokido do a normal jump here is the situation :

• if he do a non cross-up hit => he can eat flame kick or gekirinken (risk and reward for fei)

• if he do a normal cross-up (which is visible) => same

• if he do a tatsu cross-up => he only can gekirinken (pretty hard to ex flame kick the tatsu cross up which is almost invisible), in one of the vids we see tokido willingly miss his tatsu cross-up to bait the gekirinken

• if he do an empty jump => nothing happened and the knock down isn’t pays

So the total risk and reward on a normal jump in is totally for Fei.

Now let’s see what happen with a demon flip after a knockdown :

if Tokido decide to do the dive variation of demon flip, here is the situation :

• Early dive kick (he press the kick button while Gouki is on top of his jump) => I see it, I Gekirinken it
• Late dive kick => i can flame kick before Gouki’s dive kick is deployed

if Tokido decide to do palm or throw variation :

• throw variation => ex flame kick is guaranteed
• palm => same

Risk and Reward for Fei… again.

That’s why Tokido prefered try to bait flame kicks instead of apply his classic vortex which is no more reliable (it becomes too much risky with fei ultra2).

But even if he try to bait flame kicks, if the flame kick doesn’t come, we have gouki and fei face to face.

Here is another match : me vs HellTPM(Dictator/Spain) (Semi Finals of Winners Bracket)

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P.S : Tokido said that he thought know the match-up vs Fei Long cause he trained with Mago but he think that Starnab and me are better than him with Fei.

I thought he was just trying to do safe df palm to bait a reversal O_o

[Jon_Slayton]

If you analyse the vids CORRECTLY, you’ll notice that Tokido did ZERO dive kick/tatsu cross up when Star or me got ultra2…

Don’t you think that it decreases substantially the power of Gouki’s vortex ?

if Tokido do a normal jump here is the situation :

• if he do a non cross-up hit => he can eat flame kick or gekirinken (risk and reward for fei)

• if he do a normal cross-up (which is visible) => same

• if he do a tatsu cross-up => he only can gekirinken (pretty hard to ex flame kick the tatsu cross up which is almost invisible), in one of the vids we see tokido willingly miss his tatsu cross-up to bait the gekirinken

• if he do an empty jump => nothing happened and the knock down isn’t pays

So the total risk and reward on a normal jump in is totally for Fei.

Now let’s see what happen with a demon flip after a knockdown :

if Tokido decide to do the dive variation of demon flip, here is the situation :

• Early dive kick (he press the kick button while Gouki is on top of his jump) => I see it, I Gekirinken it
• Late dive kick => i can flame kick before Gouki’s dive kick is deployed

if Tokido decide to do palm or throw variation :

• throw variation => ex flame kick is guaranteed
• palm => same

Risk and Reward for Fei… again.

That’s why Tokido prefered try to bait flame kicks instead of apply his classic vortex which is no more reliable (it becomes too much risky with fei ultra2).

But even if he try to bait flame kicks, if the flame kick doesn’t come, we have gouki and fei face to face.

Here is another match : me vs HellTPM(Dictator/Spain) (Semi Finals of Winners Bracket)

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P.S : Tokido said that he thought know the match-up vs Fei Long cause he trained with Mago but he think that Starnab and me are better than him with Fei.

Hmmm very good run down of Akuma’s options there in the vortex situation, thanks for that Evans. You guys make us Fei players proud!

[nosone]

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Hm, good call on that. I figured that Tokido simply didn’t want to go into a Vortex as a matter of preference in his playstyle, but then again avoiding a mix-up routine isn’t something that most pro players do if they have the chance. I guess then damage isn’t the true goal of U2 at all–at least not they way you guys relied on it. Very good point about that

[Mixup]

I’m glad the real fei players are learning to utilize his tools instead of the negative outlook that many have. I’m really impressed how the u2 has worked out so far to shut down the characters with beastly vortex.

[rdubz]

Got in a few more matches a couple days ago before heading out to work. I used ultra 1 during these matches but will try to get ultra 2 in against some other players who like to use characters like Viper and Akuma sometime next week.

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Just want to say I hate challenging Balrog in online matches. :mad: Guess I have to just learn the spacing against Balrog and learn how to react against those random dash punches. Can I punish Balrog’s dash punches on block with rekkaken?

[Lilman]

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My Fei Long vs FlashM’s Makoto. About 9:58- 15:50 i think. Theres more but i have to look. From the Option-select.com Stream last night.

[j_case]

i like that focus forward dash read in the first match there, also does it surprise any1 else how often the tenshin on the opponents wakeup catches ppl?

[FenGuard]

I apologize for my poor Fei play for any of those who saw the Power-Up stream. Nerves got the best of me. I’ll post the video here as soon as it gets up.

Despite that bad match i still placed somewhere in the top 10 so it wasn’t a total loss.

[rick_derris]

Well, Fei is a tough character to master. He sure as hell is fun though!

[Kurage]

Was the match between Inthul vs Sabin(Seth) at ECT2 ever posted? That was one of the most exciting matches I’ve ever seen…it was not on the FADC channel…and I just have to wonder why…

[Songo_KthX]

P.S : Tokido said that he thought know the match-up vs Fei Long cause he trained with Mago but he think that Starnab and me are better than him with Fei.

I would say you all play extremely differently because Mago rushes down like a mother fucker and it’s relentless. I think play styles also come into play in matchups. I also don’t like absolutes because I feel because of play style the top 3 players will usually vary… Still, you all rape.

[Ribxus]

;9015530’]I would say you all play extremely differently because Mago rushes down like a mother fucker and it’s relentless. I think play styles also come into play in matchups. I also don’t like absolutes because I feel because of play style the top 3 players will usually vary… Still, you all rape.

Starnab and Evans are better than Mago for one simple reason: even though mago’s execution is through the roof, his knowledge of matchups is slightly worse than those two. He hasn’t played Fei long enough (pun unintended) to know every single thing there is to know about matchups. Then again, he knows the characters inside out… So he probably can deduce what’s good and what isn’t versus most of the cast.

But his knowledge on console characters is still shitty. When was the last time you saw him in a match vs Gen or Sakura?
He probably gets his share playing online, but his knowledge is smaller in that department.

Also, starnab and evans hit confirm WAY more than he does. Mago always goes for s.fierce after CW, or c.jab if he lands too far. Starnab and Evans pull off way more c.lk xx s.lp > c.lp xx rekkas.

[Alioune]

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[Hotdawg_SKA]

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Awesome stuff!!! Freakin hate Rose’s backdash on wakeup!!! Time to punish that shit! :annoy:

[SendMaster]

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wow, thank you!

[rdubz]

Was the match between Inthul vs Sabin(Seth) at ECT2 ever posted? That was one of the most exciting matches I’ve ever seen…it was not on the FADC channel…and I just have to wonder why…

[media=youtube]55PBPfHMvhM[/media] - Enjoy. I’ve also been searching for that vid and finally it’s posted. Gotta love Chris Hu’s commentary on this one. He was really into the match too.

[H1gg1n5]

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Wow awesome option selects!!! What are the inputs to do these???

[HNIC_Mike]

cr. short (input secondary option quickly) cr.short.

second short comes out on 1st short connecting on block or hit.

secondary option comes out if 1st short wiffs

works the same way as optiuon select jump ins. block or hitstun delay loses sub option if you input it fast enough, making the second short come out

[H1gg1n5]

cr. short (input secondary option quickly) cr.short.

second short comes out on 1st short connecting on block or hit.

secondary option comes out if 1st short wiffs

works the same way as optiuon select jump ins. block or hitstun delay loses sub option if you input it fast enough, making the second short come out

Awesome! Thanks! TO THE LAB!!!

[nevillebamshew]

Actually, there’s a little more to it.

The Ultra one anyway. You input the meaty cr.short and the Ultra input with the same timing as a chain. If the cr.short hits or is blocked, the PPP input for the Ultra becomes a st.jab because that’s the only punch button that will chain after the cr.short. This means you only have to input a further cr.jab xx Rekka to hit confirm. If they backdash, the Ultra comes out.

The other ones work on a similar principle.