When you are checking out there is a space for coupons or promotional codes. Just put it in there it will work. Also to the guy who ordered last week…just email customer service and tell them you forgot the code. I tried the online support and they wouldn’t do anything, but when I emailed them they agreed to take the $30 off.
edit: if I can find a vga/dvi adapter I’ll test the asus against this pile of crap crt I have laying around.
It expired, it was only a one day sale.
try it…I ordered before it was even valid and they are giving me the credit.
Alright here is my test results. I used a 12 year old CompUSA CRT monitor hooked up by a dvi/vga adapter. The Asus is hooked up through dvi. If there is a better way to test this, or you want me to try something else just let me know and I’ll give it a try.
CRT model number is CPC-9881
CRT on the left and Asus on the right
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http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8907/asus2n.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1172/asus3.jpg
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But the Samsung T220HD has a TV input, which the ASUS doesn’t have. I can’t decide either. And the asus has lag.
Can you elaborate?
Please give more info like video card, resolutions used, etc. etc.
ATI 4850 512 for the graphics card and I had the Asus at 720p…thought that would be best because that is what SFIV would be running at.
Model Number of the CRT is: CPC-9881
If anyone wants me to try another res just let me know.
edit: second thought not even sure what the res on the crt was…didn’t mess with it at all. Should I just use the crt’s native res?
Edit: took a couple hundred pictures with various resolutions on both monitors , different settings for overdrive and slendid on the Asus and it seems like the average lag is somewhere around 8-10 ms…about half the time it was 0ms and then lots of 10-15ms with some spikes of 20-25 or so. If you want me to post some of them tomorrow I can do that.
Cheers for doing this Halvie.
Res on the CRT shouldn’t matter. The spiking lag seems confusing though.
What I’d be curious to see is testing in the Asus displays native res. I want to know if the scaler is having any impact on the results.
I’d really like to see the Rock Band 2 test done many times on this screen also, partially to see if the spikes become noticeable in it’s results, but mostly to be able to gauge how accurate RB2 tests are given how extensively this monitor is being tested.
It does not “beg the question”. There is no evidence at all that the LCD display on a Macbook Pro lags. The source of display lag is usually from scalers and frame-averaging hardware in high-end HDTV televisions that they use to up-sample and improve the image quality of standard def or dirty signals like those seen on highly compressed cable channels. Computer LCD monitors don’t do any of this, and outside of any reports of to the contrary, it’s safe to assume that the Macbook Pro LCD does not lag.
That would be a remarkably coincidence. For that to be possible, the scaler and frame averaging hardware (which we can assume the Macbook Pro LCD does not have) in two different parts constructed by two different manufactures somehow have the exact same performance characteristics, down to the millisecond. Occum’s Razor does not allow for this.
Now you’re just being rude. A previous poster recommended the monitor and reported it to be lag free. Inkblot posted that he and I played extensively on the monitor and found it to be lag free. I post a screenshot which confirms the monitor is lag free using the tools recommended on this thread and other AV forums. If you really consider this doubt inspiring, intangible data, you’re free to buy the monitor and conduct your own tests, but I think our results are conclusive.
Thanks for the effort you’re putting into this. If you’re really interested in pursing this further, you really should be more concrete about your methodology. Here are some tips to help you get started.
Disable anything that might be filtering the display. This includes things like “cinema mode” which alters the image in any way. That’s likely to turn on a frame averaging part in the monitor which will lead to lag.
At EVO we will be running a 720p signal over HDMI for the PS3 games and 480i/p signals over VGA for PS2 games (maybe). These are the only interesting resolutions to test.
“average” lag isnt’ really interesting. What you want is a distribution of different lag values. For example, in the screenshots you posted earlier, 6 of them had a 0 ms skew and 2 had a ~16 ms skew. This is expected, since there’s no way to sync the vertical retrace of the monitors. A monitor running at 60 hz will only update the timer once every 16.67 ms (1000 ms / 60 updates per second = 16.67 ms).
When you collect your numbers, be sure to collect them using a single setting for everything (see #1 and #2 above).
Thanks.
I have been trying to find if there is a way to disable the splendid thing all together. When you guys were playing on it what did you use? Game or Standard? What mode will it be in for EVO?
Seeing if I have to clone the CRT to the LCD they have to be running in the same resolution does that invalidate the testing all together?
If I find a way to disable the splendid deal I’ll do the testing again and post the results later if anyone is interested.
Never knew about #3. If that is the case, and it sounds like it is, the monitor is pretty much lag free.
I like it a lot. Can’t feel any lag, picture looks great, and blu rays look pretty nice on it.
If you guys manage this, please let us know what VGA boxes you are using to convert, and where you bought them from. ;p
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :crybaby:
whats wrong with that… if the tv lags with the direct hook up they can just get hd pro boxes and that will take away all the lag. and i believe that tv will take a 480i signal and display it w/o any extra lag.
man i want to get this ASUS monitor, please keep us updated with those test results
I’m really interested since this monitor has a native resolution of 1080p (i hope thats correct) what the lag time is when it downscales to a 720p resolution?
since i’m on that thought what the “lag time would be” showing a 480p resolution from the native 1080p resolution?
and if anyone else has got this montior please post feedbacks. man my mind is wondering thoughts everywhere, i thought i read somewhere there is a newer model following this asus model, anyone have info on that (can’t remember where i read it from) :china: to everyone
About the two tv choices or the lag? The lag I simply inferred from halvies screenshots, that showed that there were times when the monitors weren’t in sync. But Ponder now claims (Not saying you’re wrong) that there is an impossibility of somekind for all lcds to completely sync with their source material. Or something like that.
There’s a 26" version of the Asus that also has component inputs. You can get it at Newegg for $300 after rebate. I picked one of these up a few weeks ago and it seems pretty nice for the money.
Thanks inkblot, ponder and everyone else for their contribution to this thread. I ended up getting one of the ASUS monitors and I love it!
I would so get that, but it doesn’t have an HDTV tuner, which is the real big sell for me. Damn. There is an LG Flatron, but I’m not really feeling that. Any other suggestions? Or am I gonna have to go with the TOC? The TOC is nice, but the lag is really killing me.
Why does an HD tuner matter? You can still hook it up to your cable/satellite and you’ll be fine.
Going to have to pick one up during lunch at J&R. Since I missed out on the newegg deal already, I might as well go local so that if I have dead pixel(s), I can always return it for a better one.
I supposedly play one one of the most laggy TVs out there (Samsung HL-S4266W) so I’m curious on how much of a difference it will make.
