Being able to phase is probably Madaras super eye power, (although Minato said that that was space time jutsu, so whatever) and whats his face is just his left and right genjustu powers made physical or something.
What is that guys name? I forget, fungus man. He is probably just a walking super genjutsu.
I am just typing to type at this point.
From one shitty exchange you determined that? Easily impressed you are. If the writing was better and Madara seemed KIND of intelligent I’d agree with you.
If Raikage took a moment to stand there and look Itachi in the face without his shrowd? Yep. Last time I knew Yondaime didn’t
have a electrical current shocking his system constantly.
minato would curbstomp itachi just like how he curbstomp the strongest uchiha.
Do you really think that what Madara did during that fight was anywhere close to the skill level that Itachi has shown?
GTFO, your mother should have stabbed you in the head with a clothes hanger.
Although this doesn’t affect Genjutsu defense, Minato didn’t need the shroud for speed/reaction time. His base speed was equal to that of Raikage’s with the shroud, according to Raikage’s subordinate.
Raikage with simple shroud wasn’t much faster than Sasuke. When he amped his shroud he surpassed Minato.
There’s no such thing as base speed Minato. Teleportation isn’t speed. It’s teleportation. His movements are his speed.
Minato hasn’t shown any power ups so far.
right… so know you’re going to say itachi>madara. stfu itachi would be rape by madara. itachi was madara’s bitch or else he woulda killed him.
Raikage with the shroud was much faster than Sasuke. Sasuke is able to keep up (and in some cases he wasn’t able to keep up, IIRC) because of Sharingan.
Minato’s base reaction time and speed, without Hiraishin, is incredible on its own. Once again, Raikage’s subordinate says this in the manga, as well as Madara when Minato snatches baby Naruto out of the sky in an instant after Madara throws him. He did this without using Hiraishin.
If you REALLY need me to, I’ll get the actual pages linked to show this. I’m not being a Minato fanboy or whatever, I’m stating stuff that actually happened. It’s not BS.
Whatever you think about Madara/Itachi, this just isn’t true. Itachi’s reason for not fucking with Madara have nothing to do with their relative strength.
when discussing the top tier characters in naruto (end game naruto, minato, 1st, itachi, pre-crisis madara etc) i guess you could say its a question of who gets their shit off first n a fight. imagine a fighting game where it takes only 1 chip hit to ko you, whos really giong to be top tier? at that level of brokenness you can pick who you like.
How do you know it wasn’t Hiraishin? There is a Tag hanging about in the room and you have no idea how far he can summon himself away from the tag. NO IDEA. Every time I remember seeing Minato Hiraishin theres some lines indicating it. Lines that I saw when he caught baby Naruto. Now walking away from this assumption. If he was that fast then he probably didn’t NEED to Hiraishin with Naruto to get away from the explosion OR tag madara with Hiraishin before sealing his summoning technique. Like Raikage he would have simply been there without teleportation which is the next best thing. Nukka just appears next to you chopping your neck or elbowing the shit out of you.
That wasn’t impressive at all even if it wasn’t Hirashin. Baby Naruto had to go up and then go down. Plenty of time for Ninjas to catch something. KILLERBEE went to another mountain in seconds! Do you remember the distance Sasuke traveled when he insta sliced Tobi? (or better yet, stared at, genjutsu’d, climbed into the mouth and killed Manda) I contest that it as Hirashin or Shunshin either way, it doesn’t make him OMG fast.
None of this changes the fast that outside of flying Thundergod theres no reason to assume ITACHI who was beating Sasukes ass while dying can’t keep up with Genjutsu and GGPO Minato. As you said Sasuke was able to keep up with Raikage because of his Sharingan, guess who also has a Sharingan?
Sorry Itachi was a ninja, but he was no saint. His story is that of the torn double agent if you know literature at all.
You don’t know why he did a lot of what he did. While he loved his brother and his village. I also think he had loyalty to Atkasuki up to a point that ended when
it came to Konoha.
He kind of did the same shit as your beloved Minato really, another pansy that didn’t do what had to be done. Instead he left it to the younger prick just “in case” they lost.
so people are really defending itachi like that on here too? and lol you guys making up shit for itachi. I don’t even know why itachi is even mentioned in the same breath as the forth after reading this and since itachi loved sasuke so much it would make since that itachi would try to kill madara before fighting sasuke to avoid corrupting his poor little brother but he probably could not touch madara
So Madara himself going, “You certainly live up to the Yellow Flash moniker” when Minato caught him isn’t enough to say that he moved with incredible speed? Or once again, people in the manga stating that the fastest guy we had seen thus far (Raikage) has speed EQUAL to Minato? Jesus.
Also, I don’t ever recall mentioning anything about Minato vs. Itachi in my last post. What I’m talking about is simply the fact that Minato is fast as all hell, which has been stated to be true by multiple characters. But if you’re gonna bring it up, high speed movement obviously can be tracked with Sharingan (to a point, as Sasuke did have trouble keeping up with Raikage at times). However, as you yourself said, speed =/= teleportation. Doesn’t matter how much the Sharingan can track speed if it’s instant movement from one place to the other. So by your own logic in this situation, Minato actually has an advantage over the Sharingan users.
Once again, I’m gonna have to say you’re acting unnecessarily salty about this shit. Fact is, Minato is fucking fast. And apparently a very strong shinobi by the way he styled on Madara, who however “weakened” he may be was still unable to be actually wounded by ANYBODY other than Hashirama and Minato. Itachi was also highly skilled. We don’t know anything about “well this guy would win” because they never fought. And they never will. It’s THEORY FIGHTAAAA.
Can we drop it, now? I thought for sure I’d never see this kinda shit outside the cesspool that is NarutoFan forums.
theory fighting is not cool people.
What did Pein have to gain by fighting Jiraiya?
Street cred, he killed a legendary Konoha ninja and put himself on the map as someone not to fuck with.
the real question is do any of you guys actually read the manga, or just look at the pretty pictures? theres soo much info wem already know thats being lied about cause people got shit for brains? read the shit again if you cant understand or remember how shit went.
raikage was almost as fast as 4th using hiraishin. 4th in his own speed would get merced by raikage, fact. never has 4th ever shown speed that excels besides his teleport. he was fast, but not raikage fas, unless he used hiraishin.
itachis reasons for coming to konoha have long been shown now. only a true fucking retard would say something as stupid as he and kisame fled, sorry but no help for this retard.
also minato didnt fight madara with full power. madara had already cast a genjutsu on the kyuubi, shit just happened a few chapters ago, you guys cant be that stupid. even minato hinted that madara wouldnt be able to use the kyuubi for long and would try to finish the fight quickly. during the fight madara never tried to use any moves that would need large amounts of chakra, he only tried to capture and teleport him to another dimension. do people honestly believe thats al madaras got? personally looking at 4ths words and madaras actions he needed most of his chakra for controlling the kyuubi. he got beat cause he thought a half assed versions of himself would be enough for the 4th, it wasnt.
on the itachi comment, itachi probably had the most intel on pain besides madara and konan. he was a double spy, he never even got tracked by pain cause when it rained he was always in a cave nice and dry. he knew what pain was capable of, and even if he didnt know everything about him where talking bout itachi. probably the smartest dude in the whole fucking manga. it has long been told that genjutsu requires a high intellect, and the genjutsus over a layer of genjutsu itachi was probably the greatest genjutsu user weve seen so far. itachi figuring out pain is only natural. im not one of you dumb asses that would say itachi or pain would win, cause honestly if both would fight to the death, both have an equal chance of winning. thats if we dont factor in that pain can be caught by genjutsu, cause from what i see his worst match up might be a super genjutsu user. he got caught in jiraiyas gen, those where only the pains that could hear it. itachis genjutsu hits the eyes, something all pains share. they share the same views, theres actually a chance that this is a major weakness of pain. its just not shown. so i wont even go there.
last thing, specially for the retards among us. it has long been told that sasuke has got a very strong and special chakra (dude is the fucking main character along with naruto). his eyes are special too, probably the strongest eyes since itachi and madara. somebody of his calibur broke out of itachis tsukiyomi, somebody with a very strong sharingan. fighting against an itachi that was out to lose. the small fact we do know about tsukiyomi is that only a sharingan user (preferable of equal or higher strength), or a jinchuuriki in control of his bijuu can break out of. how anybody can make the retarded ass assumption that 4th or raikage could break out of it once they look into it is beyond me. they aint naruto, who is a main character with plot armour and a bijuu. besides madara, naruto, bee and sasuke theres nobody who could break out of itachis tsukiyomi. you look, your finished.
also itachi never killed any konoha nmins besides the uchiha clan. he was a good guy, even sparing kurenai and asuma. he loves konoha, why the fuck would he want jiraiya dead? he wanted jiraiya to train naruto and save sasuke. shit aint that complicated. sometimes i wonder if im talking to some dumb ass kids or just some retarded ass adults. how could a childrens comic be soo hard to understand.
edit: naruto against pain wasnt mentioned cause naruto has already beaten pain. a half dead pain who used up most of his chakra, but he still beat him.
You don’t know yourself very well do you?
Minatos speed was compared to Raikage before amping, which Sasuke could keep up with. Sure he’s fast, but not as fast as AMPED Raikage which Sasuke CANNOT keep up with. I’m not saying Minato is not good. I’m just saying like I said before, “He should be happy he wasn’t fighting Itachi.”
Shit just read dude above me ^^^^ what I’m writing here is redundant.