My thoughts on Gief SSF4

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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just did that and i think its 5-5 ot 6-4 gief hell ill even say 5.5-4.5 to be honest

no empty jumps kills gief vs bisons AAs since his s hk pretty much doesnt miss anymore

blocked PC is still a free spd/atomic suplex

giefs j hp and j mk still rapes bisons AAs even his psycho abortion punch

lariat still beats whatever air attack bison does, but PP negates using lariat on wake or randomly throwing it out there (although im sure most of yall dont do that)

bison can keep out gief but thats all imperative on his s hk beating out giefs attacks and quite frankly it still doesnt do that

for bison to win he has to keep control of the momentum

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lol that is too funny lol… damn do you personally think he’s that bad ??? and if so could you explain why please

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Everyone’s starting to realize slowly but surely

at the end of the day, why do you play gief?

To win easily?

pick another character!

To be a top tournament player?

pick another character!

To main a non shoto character?

pick another character!

Bragging Rights???

THEN… stay with the Gief because…

At the end of the day, a win is a win. BUT a win with a character who essentially had his balls ripped off is the best kind of win!

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i love how they add a frame to c lk and now everyone is calling him the worst character ever.

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dude listen. Aquasilk is one the best zangiefs, UltraDavid use to be one the best zangiefs in the USA. now both these guys have taken zangief to a high level which, i have played against most of the zangiefs in the forums and all they do is lariat and mash on spd. Now, we, all know the top zangief players in the usa are jan, vegeita x and aquasilk . Their opinion means more than just some random guy on a forum who probably doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I mean, of course aqua satilk doesn’t 100% mean he’s the worst character in the game, just because of a simple cr.lk.

Now, let me tell you something about this simple cr.lk. Alot of high level zangiefs incorporated tech traps, option selects, meaty attacks and over game around cr. lk. if you were doing a block string with cr.lk and someone tried to hold back or jump, guess what? a free fucking combo and most likely a knock and with a knock down guess what? more oki 50/50 oki games. 4 cr.lk to ex. hand led to 236 damage and at any point for a mix up option you could, grab them for a lp spd and guess what more oki games .

The reason why so, many people are pissed is not soley because of cr. lk but of the many solid options they could make from it. Now, since the timing is different, and there’s more of chance of you fucking it up since it’s a one frame link now, makes things alot different. A st.mp to lk to ex hand was a one frame link but cr.lk was, so reliable there’s was actually no need to do that. Now, to add to that, his jump sucks rat balls. zangief stays in the air longer and guess what? it makes things super fucking easy for people to anti air them. Now, it’s near impossible to safe jump now, on shotos and characters with dps’ though it still is possible.

Zangiefs damage go fuck all over across the board. In sf4 his cr.lk to ex hand did 200 flat… now that shit does 130 and splash, cr.lk x 4 does 208 when it use to do 236 thats a big fucking difference. So basically, before it was like, the more times you press a kick in your combo the more damage it did but now it’s doesn’t even seem to be worth it to try and go for a combo that get’s scaled to shit. cr.lpx2 st.mp lk ex hand does 202, if iam not mistaken. So, basically, it’s like outside of doing a splash it’s almost not even worth it for going for more than two normals in a combo.

So give me a reason, why zangiefs players that tried so hard, through out the year, since sf4 first came ou,t to not be pissed about all these changes. LARIAT WAS BROKEN AND NEEDED TO BE CHANGED but other than that nothing was wrong with him. He was the sixth best character in the game . Zangief didn’t dominate tournaments or anything they mostly just place in the top 5 or top 8. There was not a overwhelming crowd of gief players raping all the tournys in every community, so why rape him so hard and make it easier for other people to beat someone who doesn’t dominate such as sagat did.

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@KAMILAN

PLEASE show some respect to one of the best zangiefs in the US. I’m pretty, damn sure none of those apply to him so, show some respect for someone that took zangief to high level geezz. 0______o

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That extra frame on the cr.lk is the single biggest nerf gief got with his new retarded jump being the 2nd biggest. I can only wish Capcom come to their senses and change at least his cr.lk back to the way it was before. But I doubt that will ever happen. I would like to know what the hell their logic was for that change. There is no doubt gief is MUCH worse now that his cr.lk comes out 1 frame slower. Worse footsies, harder to hit combos, and people being able to jump out of his pressure easier. Obviously if you weren’t doing any sort of cr.lk combos to begin with or playing any sort of footsies, this wouldn’t affect you at all.

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All we need is c.lk to 3 frame startup and normals jump for zangief to be normal again. the damage nerfs is ok, but taking away his tools cant I understand. Zangief was never overpowered, and I think every good player in this forum agree.

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The Jump and damage nerfs hurt like a bad breakup… Christ!

I cant tell you how many times I’ve left an opponent with a sliver/smidgen of life even after landing a clutch U1.

Gief safe jumps are soooooo SF4 now. GOD DAM.

I cant speak to the cr. lk cuz all I could ever do is cr. lp x2 ~ cr.lk XX EXGH. But I can certainly see the the high level folks who mastered O-S’s would be fuming…

What I don’t get is how they nerf Gief so bad …then add Gief on crack, T.Hawk. He has almost all the damage of SF4 Gief PLUS-PLUS in air move set to get him in. wtf???

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dude, i totally agree. Now, with his lower damage people aren’t afraid of gief anymore and they mash on back dash or hold up back, through his blocks strings. i mean, fuck if they just changed his jump and gave him back his (cr.lk which is a 2 frame link anyway) then i would be satisfied. Fuck lariat, and health nerf i can manage with that, but man making it easier for people aa him is just fucking twisted .

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If you have trouble winning with ssf4 zangief then you need to go back and relearn everything you thought you knew about playing zangief and also work on your execution (c.lk combo). This character is just as good as ever. I don’t think zangief even has any counter-characters on the game anymore. I never believe that seth counters zangief anyway because of lifebar differences and everytime seth does a air or stand fierce punch he puts himself at a liability for damage, and now seth is nerfed. Saggot’s stand roundhouse has been destroyed the anti-air portion does about a jab worth of damage and the hitbox of that attack has been nerfed and also he has more recovery on tiger shot. A 6-4 matchup is not a bad matchup and as of right now the only 6-4 i have run into is akuma because he is still good, but possibly I can see guile making it to that list.

If you think thawk is better it is because you prefer the playstyle of make a quick movement (jump or special) to get into range and take advantage of the slow reaction of the opponent and start throwing. Zangief is a footsie based character with unbeatable anti-air and he destroys near all of the new cast (not sure about Cody he seems to be the only non-trash new character they put in and we don’t know how he will develop, also Hakan because he is a wild-card to me even though I play as him). His jumps and lariat before were extremely difficult to deal with for many characters for no reason and now they made them easier to deal with, both moves are still very good. The c.lk nerf I feel was a side-effect of Capcom wanting to make option selecting tech-throws harder, but because the plink technique is in the game then c.lk combo is still easy to do.

Thawk is in the game if you prefer to do things like whiff condor spire 720 ultra or play air footsies with condor dive and his huge jump. I believe that in the end this is a weaker style of play, but it is fun against friends and online. Also i believe Thawk is a good character but not as good as zangief on the ground and since his air options aren’t retarded then eventually Thawk will be grounded most of the time anyway.

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pretty much agree with all of this…i am staying away from commenting on gief and all of yalls complaints about him

just relearn him and deal with it lets not become a sf4 vega/guile board now

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The biggest changes i’ve notices is to his lariat. Previously you couldn’t shoot any limbs at zangief from very specific distances with dhalsim, now I can pretty much just fire away from any angle so a lot of the pressure has been removed for me in one of the most frustrating matchups of Ye Old SFIV. Nothing like poking someone out for a minute and a half to have them land yet another lucky stick twirl in your face for infinite damage.

I still feel for the red cyclone though because I used to play him once.

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ur info is pretty wrong

c lk to ex gh does 170

splash to c lk 4x does 224 and 289 if ex gh is tacked on

c lp 2x s mp s lk to ex gh does 195

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after never liking grapplers in fighting games since sf2 vanilla i was really becoming fond of using gief in sf4 vanilla.

in super he seems too hard to use altogether now.
it seems like nearly every match up will be a bad one.

i think they made gief so bad because nobody in the world cared about thawk and if gief looks bad enough thawk starts to look nicer.

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**@SSJ George Bush
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Are you serious to say, that he doesn’t have anyone out of 34 characters that can counter pick him? wow, i would love to see how you play with zangief and against some of the guys that i play with online, they will surely change your mind. Akuma, himself is a counter pick against gief everyone knows that. Blanka is does pretty damn well, against gief and so does sim, guile, sagat, ryu, a solid bison. now if your saying that these named character can’t bring havoc to gief then man you must be pretty godly and i would love to add some of your videos to the match up thread, so people could learn why you think he doesn’t have a counter pick out of 34 characters.

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blanka isnt scary oince u learn the timing of his kara glove which is alil different in super but its still there and blanka wasnt a sagat type matchup anyways

bison is not a counter pick to gief at all and i pretty much know this it went from 7-3 to 5.5-4.5 or 6-4 in giefs favor

sagat is sagat but its more like 6-4 now instead of the 8-2 atrocity in sf4 or 7-3 if u wanna be technical about it…

seth no comment havnt played one in super

akuma is still a counter pick that is the only character i can pretty much say is a counter to gief cuz that bastard zones like a mutha…

ryu? no its pretty much even maybe in giefs favor with U2 taking away his escape option in the corner

it just seems to me u are panicking about giefs apparent nerfs waaaaaay too much and overthinking the matchups accordingly to those nerfs

hes still a good character just get used to him quit all of this QQing i dont care if you want to give peoplle like aquasilk some kind of elitist status simply because theyre good with gief, that doesnt mean their opinion is the end all be all

instead of bitching about what happened to him, we all should be giving tips on how to make gief better and giving tips on how to use him effectively in super so he can be a force to be reckoned with

lets be honest here, hes no worse than b tier especially since he competes pretty good vs the new characters, and one can simply get an alt (hello 34 available characters to choose from…) for those matchups u personally feel u cant really do well in

i have already found a substitue to the c lk nerf and his lack of empty jumps…well not so much for the empty jumps

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@2ToN

i have contributed to helping giefs get better in ssf4. As, you can see, or read i provided a lot detail vs the dudley match up. I have tried to contribute to this gief forum overall as much as i can so please don’t question how i should be contributing to something that i already do. You can’t tell someone to not bitch about something, we all have a freedom of expression here and i’m pretty sure there’s times that you have posted against the general public’s idea. I am trying to figure out things as i play and get better but people seem to think that zangief on ssf4 as had all of his troubles melted away. I have seen most of these guys videos on youtube from this forums and a good majority of them are very random and have little to no footsie game. I’m not saying that i am better than anyone but you tend to back upon what someone says, after seeing what they actually do when faced with a solid player.

Just to make the record clear, there’s nothing to panic about. I mean, it is, what it is. and since when was zangief vs bison a 7-3 in giefs favor wtf lmao .

what combos are you doing to substitute for the godliness of cr.lk please do tell thanks

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This is the only recent vid of me i can find online it is me vs evil rashaan from new york i think with seth, pretty much the best seth i have played. From vanilla sf4, Seth is more nerfed now.

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You played well, but i bet that you sit to play any good seth first to 10 in sf4, the final its gonna be 8-2 at best seth. if thats no a counterpick then gief doesnt have any. in super, i dont know yet,seth players are hidding somewhere.