i would call someone stupid how even IMAGIN ANY TIERLISt could be a hard FACT! think about this… thats why i dont care which tierlist i take at all the best the tierlist can give you is a tendancy if you assume the tierlist is HARD FAKT you hafe a problem ; the stupid thing… well im aggresif and i like to offend dont take it seriously or that i meant it in this way
dude, reading whatever you say in german accent is pure gold.
This.
shrug I still don’t see it as a 7-3 match up nor the Abel match up as 7-3…granted the OS on Abel is kinda nasty, and in the same vein Chun-Li…
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HAHAHAHAH I’ve been saying that since forever.
can you explain me why? in which kind is it funny? 
Skatan posted some very insightful information into why the Gief /Chun match up, when both players know their stuff, is VERY hard for Chun (at least it was in Vanilla).
You haven’t managed to counter any of them.
I guess my thing is, when I look at match-up numbers, I envision it as dmg thing/one fight thing. I don’t imagin two reall good players going at it for ten rounds, people become complacatin, learn certain things the other person does, etc when you play against each other that much. Instead I think of it as a % chance of winning a singular match, so 7-3 means that if a chun on my level steps up to me as Gief, more often than not, I’ll win HEAVILY…70% to 30%, I may only lose like 1/3 of my health…ever. Especially for the match ups that veer off the 4.5-5.5 range. When I read 7-3, I think of the Gief vs Sagat match-up, if the Sagat is actually competent, it almost doesn’t matter WHAT I do, I’m going to lose. That 30% is because I build up ultra nad get one lucky punish…but its just not happening.
I’m not disillusioned with ‘online comp’ verse real comp (with this match up heh), but 7-3 means to me that Chun-Li/Abel stands NO chance of winning, and any damage done is almost sheer LUCK. And that sir is what I don’t agree with. You say 6-4 for the Abel match-up, I’ll nod, at the 6-4 range, the Abel player has to be better than the Gief player to win, but its doable. When you get to 7-3, Gief has to LOSE,Chun Li can’t win. Chun Li can’t/won’t dominate the match-up, but with patience and spacing it is a very winnable fight (again not saying its in her favor, just don’t agree with 7-3).
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Uh Oh! German Joe Pesci on the way!
No chance of winning is 0-10 matchup.
7-3 means out of 10 matches between two equally skilled high level players, chances are Zangief will win 7 and lose 3.
The Zangief v Sagat matchup isn’t 3-7, it’s more along 2-8, but people are afraid to stamp something with that because it shows that the game is imbalanced.
When SFIV came out ever matchup was written as 5-5 or 6-4, which caused plenty of people to believe that the game was extremely balanced.
As the game got played more and more this was clearly not the case, almost every character aside from the top3 has a 3-7 matchup.
Zangief is a special case, he’s on the reciving end of 2-8 against Sagat and atleast 3-7 against Akuma, while being the cause of several 3-7’s and maybe 2-8 vs. Abel.
Does 2-8 mean unwinnable, no, it doesn’t if both players are really good and know the matchup Abel has 20% chance of winning against Gief and Gief has 20% against Sagat.
Atleast there aren’t 9-1 matchups in this game like in ST with Dhalsim v O.Sagat, or Honda vs. Cammy for example.
A game having imbalanced matchups doesn’t mean it sucks, people just need to admit that SFIV had them.
I don’t think bad matchups in Super will be as common as in vanilla, the tiers are looking more compact now.
But I highly doubt that there won’t be 3-7’s in this game as well, that being said there are already matchups that look pretty crappy.
Juri v Feilong at this moment for example is looking like it’ll be 2-8 or 1-9 in Feilong’s favor.
He has an easy infinite on her cl.hp x hk cw, loop, that he can land from jumpins, focus, commandthrow and as punishment on divekicks.
Hakan is most likely going to have a bunch of 3-7’s as well.
Get used to it 3-7’s exist, they’re not unwinnable as long as you don’t stop believing that they ARE winnable.
LOL at all these scrubs clipping on Skatan.
Skatan would annihilate you. He actually leaves the confines of the living room and plays in, you know, tourneys. It’s cool you guys lose to your totally awesome Chun neighbor but seriously…stfu. Give respect where it’s due.
He dropped excellent match up knowledge – read it and understand it. See you at Evo?
There’s no point in making predictions about what Hakan’s matchups will be. Every time I sit down with him in training mode I find more match-changing technology. He’s totally up in the air, but he’ll almost certainly get much better than he seems right now.
As for Gief, imo in 4 Gief lost 2-8 to both Sagat and Seth. He had no 8-2s and only one or two 7-3 matchups, and even that’s arguable; aside from Sagat and Seth and Abel or Sakura, I think pretty much all his matchups were between 6-4 and 4-6.
I think he went essentially even with Chun. I don’t think there’s much point to using .5s in matchup discussions (really, one out of ten isn’t precise enough, now we need one out of 20?), so I pretty much list it at 5-5. I figure she probably slightly beats Gief now, considering her buffs and Gief’s nerfs.
So far I haven’t come across any matchup that seems as bad as Vanilla Sagat or Seth, and not just for Gief but for Sim, Hawk, and Dan too. And first sentence of this post notwithstanding, I don’t think Hakan with many matchups like that either, and for him not to have any wouldn’t surprise me at all. It was pretty obvious right from the get-go that Sagat and Seth basted Gief, and while obviously I can’t rule out someone in Super taking what seems to be not a terrible matchup and making it awful, I definitely don’t expect it.
it’s not that he’s bad or anything
but in SSF4 i just don’t care about zangief as much as i used to…
which is weird because i had planned on maining him and having hakan as my secondary(wth t.hawk maybe as a rare backup)
but now that i have the game I’ve put zangief and hakan on the shelf in favor of hawk
i played over a dozen matches with gief in SF4 but now i barely even use him that much…it’s sad really
Ur A Good Man lol im doin the same
Zangief countercharacters both saggot and seth
T-hawk vs Seth is 7-3 or 8-2 in hawks favor IMO. And the sagat hawk match-up is 5-5ish? It takes about 5 minutes to figure out hawk if your ok with gief so I would suggest learning him or another counter pick.
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After I have seen two videos of this skatan Milla, I must say he is a total scrub, no idea of the zangeif match up or something else.
he doesnt even know how to poke. period.
I think the Chun match up might still be even because her st. RH is no good against Gief’s jumping FP anymore and U2 seems useful (for once).
I think we all have to remember that some characters get worse as time goes on too. Hakan might get worse as time goes on, because once people realize that rush down kills Hakan and Hakan’s offensive wake up games gets rapped by DP (and DP does as much or more damage than most of Hakan’s wake up mix ups…).
I can see sim vs hakan being a 7-3 or worse.
sswyu, stop trolling just stop. For me. For 24 hours.
It’s obvious skatan is strolling here, he is not even a zangief player, and keep calling zangief vs chunli 7:3, because he is a scrub chunli, not knowing how to aa zangief.