My Most Violent Shot: The Frank West combo thread

[jtrgmr]

^ Can you give the combo notation?

[fiddlestix]

^ Can you give the combo notation?

Yea I think I optimized it:
526k before snapshot, works on everyone:
j:m:, j:m:, j:s:, land, j:l:, j:m:, j:h:, j:s: xx :l: ToS, j:m:, land, j:m:, j:m:, j:h:, j:s:, land, , :s:, j:l:, j:l:, j:m:, j:m:, j:h:, j:s:, land, TK :h: ToS, :s:, j:s:

This version is super tight. Instead of doing j:m,: j:m: in the loop after the Tool, doing j:l:, j:m:, is tons easier but you lose about 3k damage so total about 523k. The version I did in the video is the most stable.

[Myke_with_a_Y]

Would anyone here be interested in a Frank West combo challenge?

Essentially you start as Frank with 1 meter and level him up to level 5 under the following conditions:

Normal:
Hit each individual level up and do not skip any
No DHC
No Exchange Combo
No X-Factor

Expert:
The above plus:
Kill She-Hulk, Nemesis, Hulk, Haggar, Tron, or Thor
Include a FFC reset

Anyone up for the challenge?

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[Keiga]

I wanted to show u this video with frank, I mained this team since december 2011 and I have seen the same team but different order here, in this video you can kill wesker, cant kill thor nor hulk, but… its something:

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thanks for watching and Im a umvc3 player from El Salvador

[fiddlestix]

I wanted to show u this video with frank, I mained this team since december 2011 and I have seen the same team but different order here, in this video you can kill wesker, cant kill thor nor hulk, but… its something:

[media=youtube]rKS5NcHTrVI[/media]

thanks for watching and Im a umvc3 player from El Salvador

Unfortunately that reset can be escaped pretty easily if the opponent just techs forward. I’m not sure if that’s a neutral tech but if it is, they might even be able to escape it if they tech backwards too because the range on FFC is really short and the back tech makes them pop up higher.
In that case, you’d probably have to wait a sec to see how they tech in order to do the FFC, but at that point they can just press buttons, and a lot of the time the FFC will get stuffed because it’s priority is pretty bad.
I like the concept tho, saving the ground bounce for the end to try and set something up.

Plasma beam is definitely a great assist. Great utility, but it scales combos so hard :(. Does Plasma beam assist let you pick up opponents off throw->snapshot?

I don’t know how well the team runs for you, but I know Frank and Doom don’t have much synergy for DHCs, damage wise. Doom DHC is great for leveling up Frank outside of corner only, but they can’t kill anyone unless they are in the corner, so very situational and restricting

[Ocaml_ftw]

Down to only Frank? Still level one? Fighting against a full life Thor(not likely)? Still have XFactor? Well here’s the combo you should do:

c.:l: , c. , c.:h: xx :l: TOS xx XFC [ j.:l: , j. , j.:h: , j.:s: (x3)], , :s: , j. , j. , j.:h: , j.:s: , jump up :h: TOS, :h: , :s: , j.:s: , snapshot xx ST. (1.3mil)

You can also do something similar off of any throw:

Throw, snapshot xx XFC [ j.:l: , j. , j.:h: , j.:s: (x3)], , :s: , j. , j. , j.:h: , j.:s: , jump up :h: TOS, :h: , :s: , j.:s: , snapshot xx ST. (1.23mil)

It works on everyone but will kill most characters before the snapshot so you have to limit the jump loop reps. Doing one will get you about 940k before the snapshot and 820k after the throw. This only gets you to level 3 though but if its 1v1 it doesn’t matter. I’ve been working on ways to get to level 4 with only one meter, its really easy with two. This is the most damaging one I’ve come up with:

c.:l:, c., c.:h:, :s:, j. xx :l: TOS, :l: TOS, j. xx :l: TOS, j., j.:s:, snapshot xx XFC, :s:, j., j., j.:h:, j.:s:, jump up :h: TOS, TOS, :s:, j.:s:, snapshot xx ST. (1.2mil … 900k before last snapshot)

It may not work on all small characters though, I tried with v.joe and it will work but the timing is alot stricter. Heres another alternative that should work on anyone:

c.:l:, c., c.:h:, :s:, j., j., j.:h: xx :l: TOS j., j.:s:, jump up :h: TOS, c.:h:, :s:, j.:l:, j.:l:, j., j., j.:h:, j.:s:, snapshot xx XFC, :s:, j.:h:, j.:s:, snapshot xx ST. (927k … 623k before last snapshot)

Basically any combo that does 23 hits before snapshot xx XFC you’ll get to level 4 if you can follow up with :s:, j.:h:, j.:s:

Note: I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this but sometimes if you XFC the snapshot too soon you won’t get any exp but it will still OTG. Has this happened to anyone else?

[Keiga]

Unfortunately that reset can be escaped pretty easily if the opponent just techs forward. I’m not sure if that’s a neutral tech but if it is, they might even be able to escape it if they tech backwards too because the range on FFC is really short and the back tech makes them pop up higher.
In that case, you’d probably have to wait a sec to see how they tech in order to do the FFC, but at that point they can just press buttons, and a lot of the time the FFC will get stuffed because it’s priority is pretty bad.
I like the concept tho, saving the ground bounce for the end to try and set something up.

Plasma beam is definitely a great assist. Great utility, but it scales combos so hard :(. Does Plasma beam assist let you pick up opponents off throw->snapshot?

I don’t know how well the team runs for you, but I know Frank and Doom don’t have much synergy for DHCs, damage wise. Doom DHC is great for leveling up Frank outside of corner only, but they can’t kill anyone unless they are in the corner, so very situational and restricting

I know its scale a lot, but I cant level up correctly to lvl4 with missiles, but I think frank lvl3 can handle a match, I will go to the lab and see if I can do better with missiles, thanks for the advice

[fiddlestix]

I know its scale a lot, but I cant level up correctly to lvl4 with missiles, but I think frank lvl3 can handle a match, I will go to the lab and see if I can do better with missiles, thanks for the advice

I’m not sure missiles will help you a lot with your team structure to be honest. You could even try molecular shield as an assist, its really good on its own, and the slow moving-ness can help Frank run up on people, and pick people up off throw-snapshot maybe.

Also, I suggest try running Doom/Frank/Spencer instead, because Doom with shopping cart for close mixups, and Spencer h.shot assist for long range scoops is scary. Doom utilizes shopping cart much better than Frank can utilize plasma beam/rocks. Also Doom 1 touch leads to lvl 4 Frank any where.

But I can understand why you run Frank point, because he is fun as hell. Depending on certain matchups, I even go Frank/Spencer/Doom for my team.
On a side note, I’ll do a vid soon of Doom/Frank/Spencer setups and synergy.

[Keiga]

I watched your casual game and as you said, you were dropping a lot because the stick, but that´s mean you are a pad player? and thanks for the advice, I want to get the best of this team, and Im forgetting that I have Spencer and Doom, and I can do a lot of damage with H grapple+hidden missiles, and frank on point is my best choice, in the last tournament I went, people told me that I had a great frank and in the casual was the same, that´s why I use him on-point, I need more time in the lab, next tourney is next saturday, I will try to record my matches and hope u give me some advice

[fiddlestix]

I watched your casual game and as you said, you were dropping a lot because the stick, but that´s mean you are a pad player? and thanks for the advice, I want to get the best of this team, and Im forgetting that I have Spencer and Doom, and I can do a lot of damage with H grapple+hidden missiles, and frank on point is my best choice, in the last tournament I went, people told me that I had a great frank and in the casual was the same, that´s why I use him on-point, I need more time in the lab, next tourney is next saturday, I will try to record my matches and hope u give me some advice

That’s totally understandable then, def want your point character to be strong.

I normally play on stick, but my friend’s stick was a bit weird. Wiring was a bit faulty as it was held by duct tape, and had trouble registering QCF correctly after diagonals. I drop combos, but just not that often. Brushing that dirt off my skills haha.

Also:
1 Mil Lvl 5 Frank cornerish combo with Missiles
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[Keiga]

That’s totally understandable then, def want your point character to be strong.

I normally play on stick, but my friend’s stick was a bit weird. Wiring was a bit faulty as it was held by duct tape, and had trouble registering QCF correctly after diagonals. I drop combos, but just not that often. Brushing that dirt off my skills haha.

Also:
1 Mil Lvl 5 Frank cornerish combo with Missiles
[media=youtube]FYoFrKxo9iE[/media]

wow! good combo with frank!! Im going to practice that! also, I know you play good, just that in the recent video you dropped combos but Im not saying that your a bad player sorry if you understood that, I want to watch you playing with your stick and a good casual game, and also, can you make a video showing how you level up frank with doom missiles? to lvl4 or lvl5 (no drink, no xfactor) I know is hard to do but I want to know how you do it ( in this order: frank/spencer/doom)

Thanks for the video!

[fiddlestix]

wow! good combo with frank!! Im going to practice that! also, I know you play good, just that in the recent video you dropped combos but Im not saying that your a bad player sorry if you understood that, I want to watch you playing with your stick and a good casual game, and also, can you make a video showing how you level up frank with doom missiles? to lvl4 or lvl5 (no drink, no xfactor) I know is hard to do but I want to know how you do it ( in this order: frank/spencer/doom)

Thanks for the video!

Thanks! I actually don’t get to play this game very often, outside of lab stuff, because of time constraints. So my execution really isn’t great but trying to improve!

That Frank combo is actually pretty easy minus the Hammer throw. Might still break a mil without it, not sure.

I’ll be making a vid of Doom/Frank soon, I got some stuff you might be interested in. It doesn’t really show missiles stuff, but it shows a lot of different ways Doom can level Frank. If you have Spencer, then you can already level him to 4 alone.
I’m not sure if you can do a level 5 combo with Frank if you don’t Drink, unless you use TAC, but that’s not too reliable. I have a couple level 5 combos but they either involve drinking or doesn’t start with frank point.

[Keiga]

I tried and I couldnt get frank lvl4 with doom missiles assist, It´s complicated and very strict to do it, it´s not the same as with the beam, and well, I will try because spencer+doom are ToD combos, and they have godlike sinergy, hope someone post a way (midscreen) to level up frank with doom missiles and an easy way, because you can do it but damn is hard :S

[fiddlestix]

I tried and I couldnt get frank lvl4 with doom missiles assist, It´s complicated and very strict to do it, it´s not the same as with the beam, and well, I will try because spencer+doom are ToD combos, and they have godlike sinergy, hope someone post a way (midscreen) to level up frank with doom missiles and an easy way, because you can do it but damn is hard :S

The easier way requires drinking, but I think you’re not too fond of drinking combos? The plus side for drinking combos is you can get to level 5 if you have Spencer assist available too.
But in general, Frank lvl 4 with missiles isn’t too hard. The only issue I’ve had is the super whiffing sometimes after getting to level 4. I’m trying to find a more consistent way to do it. I have a pretty good idea how to but I won’t have much time in the next few days as it’s very hectic, so won’t really get to post videos or hit the lab to try some ideas floating around in my head.

On a side note, to anyone who is wondering:
Switching does NOT clear the “drunk” status. What I mean is if you drink, switch out, and then immediately switch back in, Frank will still throw up as tho he never switched out.
Frank will always throw up 10 seconds after drinking, its just when you switch him out, he’s off screen when he does it.
This is relevant because for drinking combos, you DHC out Frank, you have to wait a few seconds before bringing him back in or he will still throw up.

[3nigmat1c]

Went ahead and made a video of the DHC relaunch from Mach Speed. I remember the initial argument being that most Joe players play him on point, but the technology is there.

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Medium Damage, only lvl1 X-factor when used.

Viewtiful Joe’s mach-speed can be used to launch your opponent and continue the combo in the air. This is often done while Joe is on point, but can also be done when DHCing into mach-speed from another hyper combo. To some teams, this may add an ability to do more damage without X-factor. This is extremely useful for characters with fly TAC combos e.g. Dr. Strange, Magneto, Sentinel, Dormammu, etc.

To do this, the following conditions must be met:

1. Perform a combo that doesn’t use any wall or ground bounces (in testing this seems to automatically add too much Hit Stun Deterioration to continue comboing until the TAC.
2. Minimal number of hits meaning that you have to maximize your damage in as few hits as possible.
3. Build 2 bars of meter before the initial Hyper Combo cancel. (this obviously means for most characters the combo will be negative, but given the ridiculous amount of meter that TAC combos build, a successful TAC may make the combo meter neutral/positive.

Combo Transcript:

1. Viewtiful Joe - Frank West
   j.s, cr.a, cr.c xx m.upper j.b xx m.rhk, air l.voomerang, (land) dash j.b, j.c xx m.rhk, adf, j.c xx m.rhk, h.rhk, (land) delayed mach-speed (launch), j.c, TAC down, j.b, j.c xx l.tools, j.b xx l.tools, j.b xx l.tools, S (land) snapshot xx Survival Tools DHC God Hand.

2)Frank West - Viewtiful Joe
fwd.throw, Blue Light Special DHC Mach-Speed, (launch), j.c, TAC up, j.b, j.c, j.s
[More hits/damage are possible after mach-speed, e.g. air joe]

3)Frank West - Viewtiful Joe
cr.a, st.b, st.c, cr.c, S, j.b xx l.tools, j.c (land), j.b, j.c, j.s, dash, snapshot xx Blue Light Special DHC Mach-speed, j.c, TAC right, j.b, j.b, j.c xx l.tools, j.b xx l.tools, j.b xx l.tools, j.s (land) wavedash, snapshot xx Survival Tools

4. Dr. Doom - Viewtiful Joe
   j.b(2), cr.a, cr.b, st.c(2), S, j.b(2), j.b(2), f+c, j.s, ADD, j.c (whiff), nj-h.plasma xx Photon Array DHC Mach Speed (launch), j.c, TAC up, j.b(2), j.b(2), f+h, ADF, j.b(2) xx fly, j.b(2), j.b(2), ADF, j.b(2), j.b(2), ADF, j.b(2), j.b(2), j.c (falling), j.b(2), j.b(1) xx h.plasma xx Photon Array

5. Dr. Doom - Viewtiful Joe
   j.b(2), cr.a, cr.b, cr.c, S, j.b(1), f+c, ADDF, j.b (land) XF, j.b(2), j.b(1) xx Photon Array DHC Mach Speed (launch), j.c TAC up, j.b(2), j.b(2), f+h, ADF, j.b(2) xx fly, j.b(2), j.b(2), ADF, j.b(2), j.b(2), ADF, j.b(2), j.b(2), j.c (falling), j.b(1) [Dropped combo, difficult/impossible in XF)

6. Frank West - Viewtiful Joe - Dr. Doom (Hidden Missiles)
   j.s, cr.a, st.b, c.b, st.c, XFC, cr.a, cr.b, cr.c, s+A2, j.b, j.b, j.c, j.s, (land) dash snapshot (missiles hit), snapshot xx Survival Tools DHC, Mach Speed, (launch) j.c xx TAC up, j.b xx l.tools, j.b xx l.tools, j.b xx l.tools, j.s (land) snapshot xx ST
   [This combo takes Frank from lvl1 to lvl3 guaranteed, lvl3 to lvl5 if you successfully hit the TAC. Also it only requires one meter, is also meter neutral if you down TAC. Up TAC may be required against most of the cast because of Joe’s limbs and Dorm’s huge hurtbox]

[3nigmat1c]

I tried and I couldnt get frank lvl4 with doom missiles assist, It´s complicated and very strict to do it, it´s not the same as with the beam, and well, I will try because spencer+doom are ToD combos, and they have godlike sinergy, hope someone post a way (midscreen) to level up frank with doom missiles and an easy way, because you can do it but damn is hard :S

Mid-screen Combo for frank with doom missiles to lvl 4:

[cr.a, cr.b, cr.c, S, j.a, ] or [j.s, cr.a, cr.b, cr.c]

j.b xx l.tools, delayed j.c (land), j.b, j.b, j.c, j.s (land), tk-h.tools, cr.c+A2 (Doom Missles), S, j.b, j.b, j.c, j.s, (land), snapshot (missiles hit), snapshot xx ST.

This will work anywhere, mid-screen, you’ll need to dash and then snapshot before the missiles hit since they take longer to come down, unlike in the corner where you have to do it immediately.

[Blue_Lightning]

Mid-screen Combo for frank with doom missiles to lvl 4:

[cr.a, cr.b, cr.c, S, j.a, ] or [j.s, cr.a, cr.b, cr.c]

j.b xx l.tools, delayed j.c (land), j.b, j.b, j.c, j.s (land), tk-h.tools, cr.c+A2 (Doom Missles), S, j.b, j.b, j.c, j.s, (land), snapshot (missiles hit), snapshot xx ST.

Don’t forget that Frank has a Zig-Zag Magic series. No need to go for an awkward j.A when you can just do cr.A, st.B, cr.B, cr.C. Or even st.C but I dislike that normal at level 1.

[Keiga]

Mid-screen Combo for frank with doom missiles to lvl 4:

[cr.a, cr.b, cr.c, S, j.a, ] or [j.s, cr.a, cr.b, cr.c]

j.b xx l.tools, delayed j.c (land), j.b, j.b, j.c, j.s (land), tk-h.tools, cr.c+A2 (Doom Missles), S, j.b, j.b, j.c, j.s, (land), snapshot (missiles hit), snapshot xx ST.

This will work anywhere, mid-screen, you’ll need to dash and then snapshot before the missiles hit since they take longer to come down, unlike in the corner where you have to do it immediately.

@.@ I need to watch that in a video because I didnt get it, could you make one?

[3nigmat1c]

I can, but it’s almost overkill, someone else made a video that uses the same combo for all intents and purposes:

Video showing some concepts I mentioned earlier.
The new BnB and the air to air :s: combo on an incoming character.
[media=youtube]riCeoA79zbU[/media]

If its hard to see,
BnB does 476-480k depending on version you do.
corner lvl 5 combo does 925k.

Which part are you having trouble with, the initial snapshot into missiles snapshot or the jump series after the l.tools?

[Keiga]

I can, but it’s almost overkill, someone else made a video that uses the same combo for all intents and purposes:

Which part are you having trouble with, the initial snapshot into missiles snapshot or the jump series after the l.tools?

the jump series with the l.tools dont know if I hit too high or what, but I want a video with frank on point leveling up to lvl4 with missiles, I saw that video but I think I will stay with plasma beam, it goes well with my team sinergy