MVCI Bar and Lounge: Maximum Carnage Xmas Special

[Naeras]

How long has this discussion been going on now?

I applaud the sheer stamina of the participants.

[The_Shakunetsu]

4-5 days. Everyone participated but denied and the reason is corporate greed because the game is designed with 80% greed(i don’t know were his getting the data) or simply due to lacking of xmen and not evo.

I tried to be patient, understanding as possible but the rage is contaminating.

You are the only one who is being absurd. Learn to look at things objectively not like some fanboy who is going to be loyal to even the biggest pile of shit given to him on a plate.

Wait so MVCi as biggest pile of shit that corrupt every entertainment in this generation because it was made of 80% greed according to him while he advocates not to support it.

Yes. You are arguing that there is no corporate greed with in this game, that capcom and marvel is just doing the same thing, as passionate as they did with the previous games. So i am giving you every single factor in this game that shows how invalid your defense is.

If this game wasn’t about greed, and they did this for the sake of making art (just like with the past games). Then why are there no X-men? You try to make ridiculous excuses for other factors like Evo, the imbalanced roster count, etc… so now let me see what excuse you can make for them with this X-men question.

Okay what breaks my defense is the lack or xmen and it is the sole trump card next is not on evo

And from these two long posts of fanboy defending you just gave, you have clearly ignored answering as to why the X-men are not in this game. Instead your huge walls of text show your struggle in understanding the concept of the term “art” when you don’t even realize that your arguments still lose the fact that Doom and the X-men are not in this game.

They did not care about the culture, the history, or the community at all that is why they removed pantheonic elements such as Doom because they care more about the fucking movies.

But it was, that is why long time favorites such as the X-men and Dr Doom aren’t here. The reason why is because they can’t market anything MCU related off them. That is corporate greed.

we did not have any of this nonsense from XvSF all the way to UMVC3, there were fan favorites to metagame/community pantheons and at the same time metagame support.

Who did not care Capcom or Marvel you have no single idea why Doom wasn’t in MvSF by saying 15 years ago was different?

I have said it already what I think why there is no Xmen. It doesn’t matter already because we got the mainstream Marvel heroes along with decent character count. The lack of the Xmen is only minor stuff because you got the main Marvel here not lock in paywall. I repeat it again.

To me, it doesn’t matter anymore if there are still people online.
Back then (15+ years ago), It was "lets make art that others will enjoy and what we can be proud of, with money as the bonus. Now it is, lets make money, and the enjoyment/satisfaction of the consumers is a bonus.

I think there is some form of cognitive dissonance if someone chooses to believe that things were different back then than they are now. If anything, video games are more about art now than ever before and I’m sure there is an argument to even suggest that Capcom takes artistic risks in their final products.

It seems that these “rose tinted glasses” that the community seems to be wearing are what caused the decline of mvci as a community outlet. What exactly were you expecting? It is supposed to be about art yet the superficial things like graphics, UI and character roster somehow contribute to you deciding not to play the game?

What is proper content? What are your basis? CVS1 is standard and fair proper content for a vanilla crossover game with team mechanics and MVCi did exceed those expectation unlike CFJ.

Look at the older games from other genres, take a look at how much imagination they put in their stories, characters, music, themes, etc etc. Here, with MVCI, it isn’t like that.
The fact that not even a word has been issued is proof of how we have fell victim to the corporate greed that rules this generation.

I agree with you in the specific case of MvCI, since Capcom royally screwed the pooch on this game in basically every way except the core gameplay.
But if you’re talking about modern games in general, I think that’s a pretty narrow and inaccurate view.

There was definitely a lot of passion put into MvC2’s story.

Like mvc2?

One of the worst trends ever to infect the FGC was this sudden priority for ‘story’. It is now spoken in the same breath as netcode and that for me is a sign of the coming rift.

But comparing it to MVC2 and MVC1 it’s not. Trying to be realistic here, I know those were classic but MVCi was more designed with attentions from many aspect than those two games

Greed is not the word I’d use to describe the failure to support or communicate. It’s the last word I’d use, actually, since greed would better fit a microtransaction system or simply dropping extra characters of dubious completion (Injustice 2) just to grab money. That doesn’t sound like a greedy project.

Capcom cut a lot of corners on this game and definitely deserve some of the flak coming their way, but I think we should be clear on what Capcom did wrong and what it didn’t.

MvC2 got played without a patch for 10 years. The issue isnt the patch its you. That “you” is basically any person thats not willing to play the game they have and be happy.

This is the game you have. If you dont like it then thats your problem. But at the end of the day, if you do like it, complaining about capcom or marvel throwing it a bone isnt going to help any.

We know that the game is fun. It has a decent fanbase behind it in comparison to other fighting game franchises. I know it sucks that we won’t be getting anything new from the devs, but why is that the basis for determining whether or not to play a game? Just play the damn game if you like it.

You can claim how fun this game is but no one can deny that nearly everything about it smells corporate greed over producing actual art.

This game had 80% greed put into it. I see the positives in this game but i don’t understand why they can’t finish/improve it.

I wonder how did that 80% greed assessment came into results? Imagination? no 3-4 xmen?

I do not skip. Your ramblings are all the same in it’s context that can be refuted by at most 2 paragraphs. Why would I take the time in making walls of text after walls of text. The whole lack of X-men and no Evo - this sentence alone dismantles your entire fanboy defense walls.

I’m not sure why MvCi being at EVO is so important, personally.

The fact that not even a word has been issued is proof of how we have fell victim to the corporate greed that rules this generation.

Yeah MVCi rules this generation!!

At the end, this game has been shitted with this corporate greed that has corrupted nearly every genre of entertainment in this generation. That is why it should not be supported. We are entertaining a bunch of asshats who care only about themselves and how our money can be taken instead of the art of making a video game/product.

This game and what we have is a product of this corporate greed in our generation that i refuse to support. Why play/acknowledge this product of theirs when they can’t do it themselves past 50%?

Is that include the music industry and mobile gaming that has tons of free2play games? You need to boycott?

You just are acting like a devout who is being told truth that he doesn’t want to believe or accept.

Yeah the truth? what is the truth to you because of no Xmen therefore the game is 80% greed as made that corrupts and rules every entertainment in this generation so it doesn’t deserve support and needs boycott?

By the way fail prediction haha

I predict you are going to bring up Galactus as playable in UMVC3, the secret characters in MVC1, and Norimaru in MSHvsSF as a counter to this, but this not the same here.

[Willseless_Again]

That last post from Shakunetsu is some world record shit.

[The_Shakunetsu]

yeah it since it affects, corrupts and rules our generation because it lack xmen and not in evo so my argument is destroyed because it wasn’t done for art sake like 15 years ago with good stories! haha

I’ll stop there I don’t need ad hominem and misdirection to keep this up

[zatalcon1]

Lmao you fucking retard.

You don’t even understand the term 15+ years. You literally counted back 15, ignored the + sign which indicates an estimation that can exceed past 15. You won’t even understand this sentence as you have clearly misused and misquoted me in every post you made. Your english, your grammar, and also your ability to read is very below average and you can’t be argued with you don’t understand anything that you read.

Okay what breaks my defense is the lack or xmen and it is the sole trump card next is not on evo

Yes, it does. The ban of Fox characters was because of movie promoting. Why are they promoting a movie on a game with a long time legacy?

Wait so MVCi as biggest pile of shit that corrupt every entertainment in this generation because it was made of 80% greed according to him while he advocates not to support it.

You see, you didn’t even understand that sentence either. You have to be explained every sentence because you can’t read.

Who did not care Capcom or Marvel you have no single idea why Doom wasn’t in MvSF by saying 15 years ago was different?

Why/how would i know about that? You stupid bitch. Doom was not yet as popular in the MVC franchise yet, and this was still a starting franchise. But here you also show you couldn’t understand the 15+ years term. You are the dumbest poster on this board.

You just showed a huge wall of how you can’t be spoken to because you read like a moron.

Look at how you take no fucking sleep, trying to eye my replies like a hawk and yet you still can’t read worth a damn.

[zatalcon1]

oh shit. it’s past 5+ minutes and this nigga still typing. Looks like i’m getting another huge wall in where nearly everything i said is 1% comprehended properly, in where I will be told to reply to every single insane and retarded sentence. This Shaku shames his own race.

edit: past 15 minutes, and i see this idiot still “replying”. LMAO what a fucking nut.

[The_Shakunetsu]

That post expose you and serve as a glossary to determine if you are ignorant about gaming history and if your delusional with your expectation towards games or either a knowledgeable person that understands and confident on what he argues.

It can also serve as reference and how you ignore people here, while crying and demanding me to provoke other people outside the forum to answer and defend you, which show that you are not mature enough to be responsible and liable to your own argument.

It will also make the people laugh at you and me but look whose expose, debunked and busted there haha It would also revealed who accusation is justified not ad hominems.

I wonder what Mahvel game had so imaginative story and funded for art sake you are even talking BACK IN THE DAY from the past 15 years or more ago? When MVCi was the first game that has storymode? What COTA or XVSF haha? Yeah I get since you have a hard time to pin point which you mean everything combine versus MVCi? because that’s how terrible you logic analyze stuff right? If I was wrong which? I have been asking this more than dozen times and all the answer I got was “from this to this” or “from that to that” because your mind have a hard time to be specific because it does not exist.

[The_Shakunetsu]

Instead of throwing ad hominem and provoking me to avoid clarity to your argument \

You hate clarity and being specific which is which you have a hard time to pinpoint?

Back in the day 15 years ago where license issue you said never exist and where Mahvel you said have stories, the time that you said game companies like capcom fund game for art sake.

That was an amazing wonderland because our history and reality was different from your.

[The_Shakunetsu]

Doom was not yet as popular in the MVC franchise yet, and this was still a starting franchise. But here you also show you couldn’t understand the 15+ years term. You are the dumbest poster on this board.

Shutup!

Doom was popular and the case isn’t about popularity don’t create stories of thing you have no idea because license issue were already a problem back then it was part of a trivia and a official source material from Capcom themselves don’t be delusional and talking as if you know and understand such things and pull on stories to fit your hate against Capcom or Marvel.

It proves your a lying asshole

[zatalcon1]

That post expose you and serve as a glossary to determine if you are ignorant about gaming history and if your delusional with your expectation towards games or either a knowledgeable person that understands and confident on what he argues.

The only thing i will say about this is your grammar and vocabulary is horrible. “glossary?” WTF lmao…

It can also serve as reference and how you ignore people here, while crying and demanding me to provoke other people outside the forum to answer and defend you, which show that you are not mature enough to be responsible and liable to your own argument.

I have not ignored anyone here. You have. Going out to ask isn’t for my defense it’s just so you see that this is common knowledge. Every one in this thread is taking in the TL;DR in account and they are just skimming with out any care to read anything you or I have been saying entirely. Besides, if you are right and I am wrong wouldn’t you get outside replies saying that fox ban wasn’t because of movie promoting related issues?

I wonder what Mahvel game had so imaginative story and funded for art sake you are even talking BACK IN THE DAY from the past 15 years or more ago?snip

Yup, showing again that you didn’t understand the term “art”. I don’t know why you are going off about story as if that is an element in the “creating art” phrase that i’ve used for past games, but as i’ve said repeatedly, you can’t understand more than 1% of what you read and somehow draw out bizarre and far off points that your stupid ass just read out of nowhere. The term “art” had nothing to do with story, it’s about the professional passion that creators/devs back then applied to their games. They cared more about innovation, creation, and making people enjoy their products now it’s all about just promoting xyz media. You will once again reply to this with a far off-out of context reply because you are stupid.

[The_Shakunetsu]

Bunch of ad hominems and denials as if you got multiple personalities and living in different reality

Yup, showing again that you didn’t understand the term “art”. I don’t know why you are going off about story as if that is an element in the “creating art” phrase that i’ve used for past games, but as i’ve said repeatedly, you can’t understand more than 1% of what you read and somehow draw out bizarre and far off points that your stupid ass just read out of nowhere. The term “art” had nothing to do with story, it’s about the professional passion that creators/devs back then applied to their games. They cared more about innovation, creation, and making people enjoy their products now it’s all about just promoting xyz media. You will once again reply to this with a far off-out of context reply because you are stupid.

Look you have a hard time trying specific because you now not confident because it show how delusional you are by using the glossary post haha.

Another delusional game company thing again about game was funded for the sake of art and money secondary which he said before and clearly.

[zatalcon1]

Back in the day 15 years ago where license issue you said never exist and where Mahvel you said have stories, the time that you said game companies like capcom fund game for art sake.

I never said anything about license issues. WTF are you talking about? Why do you like make up stuff and claim i’ve said this and that? But hey, you are the dumbest person in this forum who can’t even spell correctly nor argue coherently… this is the 100th time in where you just pulled out false claims that’s i’ve never said. You should be killed.

Shutup!
Doom was popular and the case isn’t about popularity don’t create stories of thing you have no idea because license issue were already a problem back then it was part of a trivia and a official source material from Capcom themselves don’t be delusional and talking as if you know and understand such things and pull on stories to fit your hate against Capcom or Marvel.
It proves your a lying asshole

He wasn’t as popular yet in the MVC games. It took MVC2 to boost him to legendary status. Stop talking about stories because that is far from the topic, you stupid shit. Everything pre mvc1 was all innovation. XvSF, MSH, MSHvsSF, etc is capcom creating art and making it better after each following installment. It is ok back then for xx characters to not be in there because the franchise itself was completely new and still in improvement. MVCI is a downgrade from that because it didn’t care about improving or being a successor, but just a marketing ploy.

You are filipino kid, aint ya?

[zatalcon1]

Look you have a hard time trying specific because you now not confident because it show how delusional you are by using the glossary post haha.

Another delusional game company thing again about game was funded for the sake of art and money

You barely made any sense here. “Look you have a hard time trying specific”, what the hell are you saying? Everything here is broken english. LMAO

[The_Shakunetsu]

I tried not to be rude but thing is your pure ad hominem attacks

Here the glossary compilation that contains references to avoid denials and delusional perception of reality

You can expand the post see previous denied conversation with other along with denied reality

MVCI Bar and Lounge: Maximum Carnage Xmas Special

4-5 days. Everyone participated but denied and the reason is corporate greed because the game is designed with 80% greed(i don’t know were his getting the data) or simply due to lacking of xmen and not evo. I tried to be patient, understanding as possible but the rage is contaminating. Wait so MVCi as biggest pile of shit that corrupt every entertainment in this generation because it was made of 80% greed according to him while he advocates not to support it. Okay what breaks my defense is …

Other than the glossary here is a template and a flowchart summarize\

zatalcon1’s Trump card in arguments

1. no xmen
2. not in evo

zatalcon1’s 101 Trolling Templates

zatalcon1: (wall of text) it lack xmen
zatalcon1: (wall of text) past capcom mahvel game were funded for the sake of art
zatalcon1: (wall of text) not in evo
zatalcon1: (wall of text) the game is full of corporate greed around 80%
zatalcon1: (wall of text) flawed in your argument
zatalcon1: (wall of text) your a fanboy
zatalcon1: (wall of text) ad hominem
zatalcon1: (wall of text) MVCi corrupted this generation entertainment industry

zatalcon1’s Argument Flowchart - base carefully from his redundant accusation and statements

zatalcon1: MVCi is the most corrupted game in this generation and should never be supported because it has no xmen and was not in evo.

zatalcon1: 15 yrs ago Capcom did mahvel games for the sake of art and has wonderful stories compare to MVCi that is the most corrupted game in this generation because it lack xmen and was not in evo,

zatalcon1: advocating not to support the game because it lack xmen and was not in evo,

zatalcon1: MVCI was made with 80% greed because it lack xmen and was not in evo.

[zatalcon1]

well. you just written another wall on how your comprehension level is low. Here is one thing that i will repeat, and clarify to your dumb ass. When some one says “#+ years” like the “15+ years” that means they are giving an estimation, that is why there is a + sign next to it. It means that with in “15 years or more”. Usually, people use these phrases because they don’t have the time to actually count and research as to when the first year of the first product was released so they give an estimate by putting the PLUS sign to indicate that it could be more than the proposed number. Some things we learned in grade school.

MVCI is a product of corporate greed, and the only way that can be proven wrong is if they update it or at the least say something. You idiot.

[The_Shakunetsu]

all you do is deny people and throw ad hominems

[The_Shakunetsu]

@zatalcon1 how about your comprehension and grammar?

You should be proud of what you fight for. Are you going to deny this as if you have multiple personalities?

This post prove how you have a bit of knowledge of what your talking about and how dumb and delusional you are by ignoring everyone.

You are the only one who is being absurd. Learn to look at things objectively not like some fanboy who is going to be loyal to even the biggest pile of shit given to him on a plate.

Are you talking about MVCi as biggest pile of shit in that quote?

Yes. You are arguing that there is no corporate greed with in this game, that capcom and marvel is just doing the same thing, as passionate as they did with the previous games. So i am giving you every single factor in this game that shows how invalid your defense is.

If this game wasn’t about greed, and they did this for the sake of making art (just like with the past games). Then why are there no X-men? You try to make ridiculous excuses for other factors like Evo, the imbalanced roster count, etc… so now let me see what excuse you can make for them with this X-men question.

another of those rephrase lack or xmen and not on evo post with ad hominem attacks

And from these two long posts of fanboy defending you just gave, you have clearly ignored answering as to why the X-men are not in this game. Instead your huge walls of text show your struggle in understanding the concept of the term “art” when you don’t even realize that your arguments still lose the fact that Doom and the X-men are not in this game.

They did not care about the culture, the history, or the community at all that is why they removed pantheonic elements such as Doom because they care more about the fucking movies.

But it was, that is why long time favorites such as the X-men and Dr Doom aren’t here. The reason why is because they can’t market anything MCU related off them. That is corporate greed.

we did not have any of this nonsense from XvSF all the way to UMVC3, there were fan favorites to metagame/community pantheons and at the same time metagame support.

Dumb and delusional person believing license issues wasn’t restrictive back then thats why Doom wasn’t in MvSF

To me, it doesn’t matter anymore if there are still people online.
Back then (15+ years ago), It was "lets make art that others will enjoy and what we can be proud of, with money as the bonus. Now it is, lets make money, and the enjoyment/satisfaction of the consumers is a bonus.

I think there is some form of cognitive dissonance if someone chooses to believe that things were different back then than they are now. If anything, video games are more about art now than ever before and I’m sure there is an argument to even suggest that Capcom takes artistic risks in their final products.

It seems that these “rose tinted glasses” that the community seems to be wearing are what caused the decline of mvci as a community outlet. What exactly were you expecting? It is supposed to be about art yet the superficial things like graphics, UI and character roster somehow contribute to you deciding not to play the game?

Yeah because zatalcon1 is delusional not just wearing rose tinted glasses, he twist and perverse the meaning of art and why games are funded to accuse falsely.

What is proper content? What are your basis? CVS1 is standard and fair proper content for a vanilla crossover game with team mechanics and MVCi did exceed those expectation unlike CFJ.

Look at the older games from other genres, take a look at how much imagination they put in their stories, characters, music, themes, etc etc. Here, with MVCI, it isn’t like that.
The fact that not even a word has been issued is proof of how we have fell victim to the corporate greed that rules this generation.

He can’t pinpoint which exact mahvel game he was talking about because it doesn’t exist and ignores bunch of responses. it doesn’t exist because he is delusional.

I agree with you in the specific case of MvCI, since Capcom royally screwed the pooch on this game in basically every way except the core gameplay.
But if you’re talking about modern games in general, I think that’s a pretty narrow and inaccurate view.

There was definitely a lot of passion put into MvC2’s story.

Like mvc2?

One of the worst trends ever to infect the FGC was this sudden priority for ‘story’. It is now spoken in the same breath as netcode and that for me is a sign of the coming rift.

But comparing it to MVC2 and MVC1 it’s not. Trying to be realistic here, I know those were classic but MVCi was more designed with attentions from many aspect than those two games

Greed is not the word I’d use to describe the failure to support or communicate. It’s the last word I’d use, actually, since greed would better fit a microtransaction system or simply dropping extra characters of dubious completion (Injustice 2) just to grab money. That doesn’t sound like a greedy project.

Capcom cut a lot of corners on this game and definitely deserve some of the flak coming their way, but I think we should be clear on what Capcom did wrong and what it didn’t.

MvC2 got played without a patch for 10 years. The issue isnt the patch its you. That “you” is basically any person thats not willing to play the game they have and be happy.

This is the game you have. If you dont like it then thats your problem. But at the end of the day, if you do like it, complaining about capcom or marvel throwing it a bone isnt going to help any.

We know that the game is fun. It has a decent fanbase behind it in comparison to other fighting game franchises. I know it sucks that we won’t be getting anything new from the devs, but why is that the basis for determining whether or not to play a game? Just play the damn game if you like it.

You can claim how fun this game is but no one can deny that nearly everything about it smells corporate greed over producing actual art.

Nice sense of smell haha

This game had 80% greed put into it. I see the positives in this game but i don’t understand why they can’t finish/improve it.

How did he asses the 80% greed? lack of xmen or no evo?

I do not skip. Your ramblings are all the same in it’s context that can be refuted by at most 2 paragraphs. Why would I take the time in making walls of text after walls of text. The whole lack of X-men and no Evo - this sentence alone dismantles your entire fanboy defense walls.

I’m not sure why MvCi being at EVO is so important, personally.

The fact that not even a word has been issued is proof of how we have fell victim to the corporate greed that rules this generation.

At the end, this game has been shitted with this corporate greed that has corrupted nearly every genre of entertainment in this generation. That is why it should not be supported. We are entertaining a bunch of asshats who care only about themselves and how our money can be taken instead of the art of making a video game/product.

This game and what we have is a product of this corporate greed in our generation that i refuse to support. Why play/acknowledge this product of theirs when they can’t do it themselves past 50%?

Wants to boycott MVCi, because of being the most corrupted that rules our generation of entertainment? This is beyond

You just are acting like a devout who is being told truth that he doesn’t want to believe or accept.

he believes he is speaking the truth and not believing him are just devout,

What was the truth? Corruption of entertainment in this generation is that the truth to him haha

Is this beyond saving?

Here’s facts and history compare to his delusional video games back then are funded for art

He creates his reality as if it was different from our history because of hating MVCI.

[zatalcon1]

Are you talking about MVCi as biggest pile of shit in that quote?

No i’m not. Hence I’ve been telling you that you are stupid. I have to explain my posts because your comprehension level is below average. A grade school student would understand what i said there.
What that means is that you are that much of a super devout of a fanboy that any product they give you will defend it. The product can be a literal pile of shit in a box and you’d still defend it. How hard was that to understand? LMAO

another of those rephrase lack or xmen and not on evo post with ad hominem attacks

Yes, because the Fox ban, the removal from evo, and the silence is really strong reasons to imply corporate greed. It shows they didn’t care about the fans, that is why not one answer has been given as to what is going on. They only cared for repping their movies.

Dumb and delusional person believing license issues wasn’t restrictive back then thats why Doom wasn’t in MvSF

I never said anything about license issues. I don’t understand why you are talking about that, but hey you somehow just bring up the most out of context things because you are stupid.

All those quotes you are putting in don’t even say anything against what i’ve said. I don’t get why you are quoting them especially posts that early in where a full explanation on my side wasn’t even made yet. But again, you some how read things that are barely inline to the context you believe it to be.
I don’t get where you get me saying “most corrupted” also, but how many times have you inserted non existent statements from my arguments? In every post you’ve done that, because you are stupid. Stop shaming your race kid.

[The_Shakunetsu]

You ignore a lot proves your delusional and ignoring everyone as if they never exist haha

It the my post reveal how delusional you are thinking game company are slave and funding stuff for art and you have an imaginary Mahvel that has imaginative stories than MVCi. which never exist.

[The_Shakunetsu]

I don’t get where you get me saying “most corrupted” also, but how many times have you inserted non existent statements from my arguments? In every post you’ve done that, because you are stupid. Stop shaming your race kid.

haha other than make believe alternate reality where you live that mahvel are funded for art and have imaginative stories you also got multiple personalities or your just a lying asshole like you said

The fact that not even a word has been issued is proof of how we have fell victim to the corporate greed that rules this generation.

Wow this is facts? haha

At the end, this game has been shitted with this corporate greed that has corrupted nearly every genre of entertainment in this generation. That is why it should not be supported. We are entertaining a bunch of asshats who care only about themselves and how our money can be taken instead of the art of making a video game/product.

This game?

This game and what we have is a product of this corporate greed in our generation that i refuse to support. Why play/acknowledge this product of theirs when they can’t do it themselves past 50%?

wow pass 50%? where are we getting data here haha