That must be what it is then; Xfactor power plus strong keep away/Zoning. I just havent seen it go down yet and Id like to see some examples.
I was just suprised to see ppl saying he had the strongest Xfactor game
who said he has the best xfactor?
Players are “pressing the wrong button” when it comes to Deadpool. People want to rush down and do ABC combos but his funky normals don’t make it so braindead easy like the other characters.
UHhh IDK exactly, I read it last night. But, I spend alot of time on SRK while at work, reading and replying. I would have to search and search and search to find that info, but I feel like it was a respectable poster. ANd its just peeked my interest.
I wonder if were still on topic here, you know Teirs and such.
I think we are, kinda
High speed rushdown and zoners who can cover Y axis approaches beat him pretty badly.
Obviously the latter… and that still leaves Ammy way at the top imo.
And Sent’s a horrible, horrible choice against Dark Phoenix, he’s too fucking slow. Sure all he needs is a random guess to win, but that’s true for the entire cast.
And yeah, Deadpool is a fucking monster. He has one of the better keepaway games in Marvel 3… but also has a solid rushdown game and beefy combos too.
Ill buy that. I guess I just need to find someone using DP/Ammy/Jean to butt hurt me so I can really see what the hypes all about.
Hmm I figured we would be talking about characters overall team distribution but other then that most of the discussion i’ve read, haven’t gone and read the entire thread front to back was about character matchups and how they fare on point against other characters. Especially when discussing things like pheonix.
Pheonix/Dark pheonix place high cause of hose beastly she is as an anchor but that’s it. Besides her being an anchor she’s pretty useless. point characters it defeats the entire purpose of having pheonix on the team. Assist wise she’s to vulnerable to getting combo into and getting killed from 5 hits. DHC/THC/Alpha crossover? Lol you’re going to waste meter with pheonix in your team? I wouldn’t be putting her at the top of the tier like a lot of people are doing. I would still rate her high cause the one thing she is good she’s a freaking moster in, being an anchor.
People like Ammy and wesker are still going to be high/top cause they have good assist, dhc, point characters, anchors and the like of course.
[media=youtube]6JU_kligEuk&feature=feedu[/media] its things like this that make me wonder wtf capcom was thinking when they designed her this video is the exact reason i have her as the best character in the game
i think her only 5-5 matchup is with Dorm i think she is at least 6-4 to the rest of the cast
I give an example of two high level players, one of them being Clockw0rk (arguably the best phoenix player in the world), not to mention situation specific examples of why Sent is good versus phoenix and all you can say that he’s “too slow” and “all he needs is a random guess”.
Whatever dude. Keep posting your wonderful opinions. They’re a real riot.
this video? that’s a pretty bad example. Those guys were awful.
That you’ve seen. That team composition he runs and so many people ripped off of Clock (including the guy I argued with on the battery thread) I was running that before anyone else. I’m also doing offensive rushdown/lockdown mixups with teleport canceling that no one else is doing. I have to admit though that Clock came up with some nice mixups that I wouldn’t mind adding to my game.
Anyways, the point is, there’s tons of talented Phoenix players that haven’t been seen yet. I think Clockwork is a great player and plays a great Phoenix but giving out ‘best of’ titles is a bit premature (just like how best spiderman was given to Rahsaan by default even though it wasn’t all that impressive IMO)
Yes, Floe is a better player currently. But in MOST fights, a Phoenix/DPh will body Sent at tourneys. Floe has a pretty good Sent.
Phoenix’s teleport allows her to set up those instant overheads and avoid his moves just by flight, AD and fireballs.
Only option is Hard drive which she can teleport to otherside to dodge.
That match was terrible. You can punish poorly protected teleports with a low.
Her low health is actually low enough to be mentioned as a problem.
Healing Field (which IMO, people should use more) is cheap as hell, it heals while she is getting hit!
I think she is a great character but I don’t she alters the game as D. Phoenix unless in XF3 BECAUSE IT’S STUPID AND TURNS EVERY CHARACTER S-TIER.
Most D. Phoenix evidence is when she is in XF3. Let us not forget that and allow that to cloud our judgement.
Her low health is the ONLY major issue she has. The one flaw that keeps her balanced.
Wrong again. Damn were getting off subject again.
Frying Pan> Homing fireball, block > rush down and backdash > teleport
So now to support the argument that Sent is “good” against Phoenix, I was told that I can’t use my own experience. When I list an example of top level play where Sent does well against her, that’s no good either because you can use your anecdotal experience to counter that and at the end you still say that Phoenix will body Sent.
I unlike you lot am not saying that Sent will body Phoenix. He’s just a good answer to her, for the reasons I stated and the example at hight level play that I showed. You actually see the shit I mentioned being displayed in a video at high level play and you still disagree. What do you need a fucking pie chart or something?
Phoenix can be punished quite badly if you know what to look for. For example, Haggar’s lariat (both assist and normal) owns her DP+H teleport (the M too I think) if you get careless and try to abuse her D+H. A prime time to hit Phoenix is if you see teleports, you can hit her as she comes out of it regardless of either L or H with the only one to look out for is the overhead. If she’s trying to chip you out, there’s ways around that too. Dante’s homing missiles and Dormammu’s Purification for example.
I agree w/ you actually. I think that Sent has options against Phx but no one will consider them b/c a lot of people freeze up and go defensive when D.Phx is out there.
Yes, that I’ve seen. That’s the point. Watching streams of high level play and discerning who’s execution is better then other people. If some neckbeard is in his basement with agoraphobia and technically has better execution than Clockw0rk that isn’t going to bring people to his doorstep to crown him “the best Phoenix player”. That’s also why I said “arguably” because I knew someone here’s e-peen might be stepped on. All I have to say, is if you want to be called the arguably best Phoenix player, get into the tournament scene and have at it hoss.
ok lets say the phoenix player is a moron and keeps doing obvious teleports you then read it and land a c.A then a c.B then you get hit in the back by her tracking fireball and she combos you. my point is no good phoenix player is gonna do the same teleport over and over which will make it extremely hard to read and difficult to punish it another thing look at her chip in lvl3 just look at it go ahead click on the video real quick i will wait…did you see how retarded that shit is? c.A x4 and a heavy fireball = 30% thats just stupid
That’s in level 3 x-factor. It is in the game so i’m not talking down on it by try not to count it in regard to her actual match up ability. Sure she can teleport and do combos but teleports can be read regardless. Even with tracking fireball. All you need to is read tele>c.A OR c.B>Super>Possibly DHC. Her low health is a problem to where one good guess/read is all it takes and she is gone. granted that is VERY VERY hard to do.
Anyway. She has good viability as an anchor but outside that I wouldn’t put her at the top like everybody is doing.