MvC3 Actual Balance/Potential Tiers Discussion

typically isn’t S-tier in fighting games the character(s) that are clearly overpowered with no bad match-ups like vanilla’s Sagat?

if thats the case than I’d say there are no S-tiers in MvC3 so far

yeah I just mis-read what he had said. I thaught he was saying he had never heard the term S-teir. I just responded hastely

This.

Plz tell me who Phoenix actually loses too. I would love to know. Who does she not have the tools to fight.

BTW Sagat got bodied by Gouki and towards the end of Vanilla’s life both of them were winning about the same amount of tournies. Hell, Sagat actually started to fall off the tourney winning train. Despite that Sagat was STILL S tier.

It’s not about not losing to anyone. Gouki didn’t lose to anyone really and arguably neither did Ryu while Sagat did. But Sagat invalidated far more chars then his fellow top tiers. That’s why he was S tier. His presence literally shaped the metagame and he made several chars basically worthless in a tourney setting.

So who has that kind of impact in this game is the question.

*Glares at Phoenix and Amaterasu

Sent’s strong on the 2nd slot as well. You can use him as a crossover counter to Hard Drive in certain situations. He DHCs well due to his ability to follow up his Hyper combos. You can also throw him into a TAC to lead into a damage heavy combo.

IMHO, Sentinel. At least when shes playing here run away game.

This post is a lie btw.

Jean crushes Sentinal. Homing shot + tele = good fucking game He’s too fucking big.

We won’t even talk about Dark Phoenix.

well thats just why I call for SEnt to gith JEan, because his j:s: break up Jeans :h:fireballs, Dark, Xfactered or what ev… Now the teleport that could be a different story. But Im telling you I havent encountered any rushing Jeans, the ones I fight only run

I’ve seen her stuffed by Hard Drive and her teleport punished by cr. M.

Sent’s a good character to use against her.

She bodies him. Badly. I think 99% of the Sentinal forums agree as well as high level players that use him. You can’t just go on your personal exp. You need to look at their toolsets and what has been shown in tournies and the exp of others as well.

Hard Drive stuffs alot of shit. Doesn’t mean he beats her. He doesn’t deal with her rushdown well at all. She has too many options and of course instant overhead combos that only work on him.

He’s good vs scrub phoenixes because she bleeds.

This I agree with.

Just out of curiosity are we basing off point character ability or off of overall team contribution? Cause if so then I would have to change certain tiers around. And some like AMMY/Dark Pheonix would still be high but not possibly the S-class top like they are.

If you look at it from overall team contribution then you have to look at factors like Assist, Team Aerial Exchange, X-factor levels, Team hyper Combos, Delayed hyper combos, Crossover counters and anything they can bring to your team as a whole.

And what experience are you going on to reach this conclusion? I’ve seen it happen at the tournament level. I’m also going by what other people are saying here:

http://shoryuken.com/f372/anti-phoenix-strategy-teams-268934/

And here’s one of many examples from WNF:
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She doesn’t “body him badly”, sorry.

yea i still dont think anybody in the game “bodies” sentinel honestly

Sentinel still has so much going for him that it’s pretty hard to body/hard counter him.

Deadpool’s is actually slightly faster. However it doesn’t hit low and has less range, so overall I’d say Wesker’s is still better.

I saw some ppl posting the Dead Pool possiblly has one of the best lvl 3 Xfactor strats in the game.
Anyone have any vids that show this or even some points to make that could shead some light on why hes so strong in Xfactor. Ive always felt like hes one of the lower teired character in the game

i dont see why so many people feel deadpool sucks i think he has the best keepaway in the game

Wesker’s Low Shot is the best OTG/Low assist:

  1. Leaves opponent standing on hit meaning easier to combo from
  2. Fast
  3. Low and OTG filling a dual purpose as a combo starter (unblockable setup) and combo extender if need be