I agree with whoever said IM’s execution is among the hardest in the game
MODOK better be in the fucking list as some hardest of character in the execution tier. You got some of most gimped normals in the game, the most awkward jump mechanic, you got to have godlike IAD/Wavedashing skills, some of the hardest known combos in the game(cubes,IAD loops with Cr.H), and he is hard practically to win with.
Sentinel health change was in the pipeline pre-release. That was not a kneejerk reaction or a post-release balance pass. Apart from the Sentinel adjustment and Spencer/Zero fixes etc., there were **other issues corrected in those early patches that no one ever found.
The game didn’t magically pop into existence in stores on Feb 15, there is a weeks-to-months-long certification, pressing, and shipping process beforehand. If devs realize they want to make changes at that point, even a month or more pre-release, too bad, they’re committed. So then they prep a patch…which is also a weeks-long process.
None of this is to diminish your point that Capcom cares. They absolutely do. This is just to say their priorities as a company are totally different than those of the tournament community (and, on top of that, the delivery system inherently can’t cater to anyone who feels entitled to CHANGES! RIGHT! NOW!). Let’s say they were assured of selling a copy of a hypothetical game to EVERY hardcore/tournament player, but NO ONE else. Game development costs are so high that that game would not be worth making in the first place.
Just incidentally, juggling is more lenient than in previous vs. titles and other games because the hit “boxes” are actually largish ovals around bodies/limbs, rather than rectangles which mostly conform to the appropriate body part. There isn’t actually some sort of autocorrect system, it’s just a consequence of the underlying hitboxes being a little different than in other games.
viper beats phx
wesker cant even touch ZERO or AMMY its such BS
lol what? Wesker is one of the characters that fairs very good vs Zero.
wesker can only do ok aganist zero he never gets touched which is unlikley because he atks so fast
With all these Zero talk, I think these are his match-ups:
Zero V.S Wesker = 5.5/4.5
Zero V.S Magneto = 4.5/5.5
Zero V.S Taskmaster = 4/6
Zero V.S Dormammu = 4/6
Zero V.S Amaterasu = 5/5
Zero V.S Viper = 6.5/3.5
Zero V.S Sentinel = 7/3
Zero V.S Tron = 7/3
Zero V.S Haggar = 8/2
Zero V.S Dante = 5/5
Zero V.S Wolverine = 5.5/4.5
Zero V.S Spencer = 5.5/4.5
Zero V.S Phoenix = 4/6
Zero V.S She-Hulk = 5.5/4.5
Zero V.S Akuma = 5/5
Man Wesker is one of the characters Zero has to be careful of. Can’t just throw J.H around or you’re asking to be Rhino Charged>pixel explosion. Even worse if he has someone to make it safe on whiff like Magneto/Dante.
Yes, but he can almost press no buttons against him. His gun is kind of good for keeping him away, but buster kills it. It probably is a 5/5, but not in Wesker’s favor.
i still dont see WHY there is so much zero talk… what has he doen in tournaments? hes a good character no doubt… but shouldnt SOMEBODY be bodyiing people with him in tournaments for him to be considered numero uno? i still havent seen one zero player just scrape faces with him at the highest level, not even marn (whom people say has the best one) ive gotten scraped something fierce by a few zeros… but that same shit has happened against most of the characters, someone PLEASE up load some serious zero tournament footage.
-dime
thats the thing its like why pick zero and have to do work, when I can pick logan switch of my brain n go nuts n still come out on top
Yeah, that’s another thing that I hate. Anti-air stand and crouch L into full combo makes my blood boil. Who thought that was a good idea? With Dante, Wolverine, Mags and Wesker especially.
Not even Marn’s Zero was THAT good. It was decent but he didn’t have the real TOD combos with Zero that people have found out now and once a smart player employs those types of combos with someone that you can’t even poke like Zero…shit is going to get real. It’s just easier to do shit with Wolverine but he can do the same shit Wolverine can and is even harder to land a physical hit on without using XF. He doesn’t have some random special move with invincibility in the middle but he has plenty things to make up for it that Wolvie doesn’t have like regular/charged buster shots which can be used for zoning or offense, sogenmu which gives him a stronger zone game and a level 3 that acts as a projectile but is actually a physical attack (making it more durable than pretty much any projectile).
It’s not like the level of play in this game is that high yet. Everyone’s sticking to the easy shit cuz they gotta practice for SFIV AE and whatever the fuck else random shit people are practicing for Evo. Once that’s done and the Japanese get more involved in the game as a whole (hopefully with an arcade release) the game will stop being about XF1 Wolverine and XF3 Phoenix doing random ass shit all the time. The reason you’re not seeing Zero do as well as he should is because for less work and some XF turn on you can do something similarly scary with Wolvie without going into training mode. Doesn’t mean he’s not less scary and IMO basically even more scary than Wolvie once he closes the gap.
You’ll get serious Zero tourney footage when more people who are good at fighters get into the game and pick up Zero instead of running for the easy factor with Wolvie. Any smart player who reliably does the 1.1’s is going to be blowing people the hell up real soon.
This. I’ve seen a lot of obscure characters do work, but even in the JP vids I watch, I haven’t seen this gdlk level of dominance people claim Zero is capable of. That’s saying a lot considering some of those JP vids make Thor/Spencer look thoroughly gdlk.
Also, on the Wesker/Zero debate, assist covered teleport is a way to push buttons against Zero. Then you gotta worry about command grabs and cr.l blowing up your attempts to avoid the command grab.
Matchup is far from free for Zero.
Thor/Spencer will never be better than Zero. They’re just easier to not drop combos with. The JP Zero players I’ve seen are rather average and dont really do anything real threatning with him or use any real strong bnb’s. Not much different from some average US player you could find running Zero online. Most of the play on those videos is not much different from US play as far as skill level or technicality. It’s just the highlight of the randoms online.
Lame Wesker is annoying for Zero but that’s about it. A good Wesker doesn’t want to be anywhere near Zero unless Zero whiffs something. Not worth the risk.
The only characters in general Zero might eventually lose to is ones that can lame him out the best but it’s not like Zero has no way of getting in and he only needs to land one physical hit and they die also.
I think Dante has the advantage against Zero if they’re using Tron/Haggar assist.
I know what player you’re talking about and he knows a few tricks, but he’s really not that good. I play that team sometimes and they’re fun, but I would never in a million years call them godlike.
Not really talking about a Thor/Spencer pairing. I just saw some JP match vids where a Spencer team(Doom and some one else) and a Thor team(Shulk/Tron) made those characters actually look scary. Not saying the characters are gdlk or anything.
I was wondering how long it would be before people started talking about those vids SMOAI2010 posted. From what I’ve seen of the japanese online players, they all play pretty bad teams that dont have that much synergy besides some flashy combos/setups. While I agree they are cool, they’re not efficient at all, people just to love talk up the japanese any chance they get.
The only really good player/team I’ve seen so far is Kuuronn who plays the Spencer/Hulk/Doom team. That guy is a fucking beast and I hope he comes to EVO.
Yeah he’s the only player on there that I’ve seen other than the Tron/Thor/Shulk guy that’s worth talking about.