IMO tier list shouldn’t be determined by tournaments. People pick the easier character to win with in tournaments, not necessarily the best. I’m sure there are characters that can mix-up just as good as wolverine can and maybe better, but because it’s so easy with wolverine why risk it with another character? Also it takes player skill into effect to much. You see someone like Chris G placing high with Ryu. This doesn’t mean that the character is really good or anything. Chris G is just a really good player. I’m sure if Justin picked a lower tier characters he could win tournaments to, but not because the characters are good, but because he is a good player.
i want sent back to prepatch… or atleast at Tron health
that’s abegen. doesn’t surprise me that he’s using a team with that much health given that he was a pretty good potemkin player. coincidentally, his team has a lot of good throw tech.
this thread is always good for a laugh or two. either all of the zero theory fighting or when people say viper is the hardest in the game. fuck that, iron man definitely is the hardest. his good, hard combos do upwards of 850k for one meter+assist and build upwards of 2.5 bars, but i’ve been playing that dude since launch and i still drop that shit all the time. i come from an execution heavy background, too (GG, HnK, FUC). viper is just easier than any character in those three games ; even the likes of ky/sol/potemkin. although FUC just makes every game look ridiculously simple lol.
I have more trouble remembering Dante combos, not actually doing them.
I only do one combo ever ground situations and one combo ever for anti air/air to airs. Dont get as much damage with the anti airs or air to airs unless I TAC and set up DHC glitch but it’s enough.
Pretty much anyone with better range than Zero owns him… I think Zero vs She-Hulk is 4.5/5.5, Zero vs Dante is 4/6. Zero vs Ammy is 4/6 since Zero has little options against HHHHHHHHHH.
you crazy. so tier lists should be based on champagne wishes and caviar dreams? this aint lifestyles of the rich and famous. this is niggas that get the job done in TOURNAMENTS. anything less is strictly theoryfighter. potential is potential. it isnt guaranteed. one thing i can DEFINITELY say is that if no us top player really picks up zero he will never be well represented in tournaments. top players win, everyone else loses. lol look at sako, he lost to a guy that showed MUCH less executional ability, in a mirror match… sure its a different game, but the point still stands that top tier neutral game is what matters in fighting games. zeros neutral game is decent, but it hasnt been shown to be top tier yet. all he has is buster shot and then he has to wait another 600 frames to charge another one if he wiffed or got blocked… dante just calls out beam and teleports and all of a sudden you got crosssed up instantly from full screen away. storm picks morrigan meter assist and then just flies around collecting free meter for phoenix. wesker sits at the 3 spot and his whole team gets destroyed then he kills all the other characters on the enemys team via lvl3 XF…
and on and on and on.
people need to realize that there is ALL KINDS of cheap shit in this game. and stating that “this or that” cheap shit outside of tournament scrutiny is the best, is presumptuous and false. wolvie is the best character in the game right now followed by phoenix, tournaments show this. what may happen in a year or so isnt whats happening today and doesnt accurately reflect whats going on.
-dime
So… what do you guys think of Akuma?
I hardly see this character talked about so much around here, there is nothing really wrong with this guy…but I seriously hope there is more to him that we are sleeping on.
Akuma is Akuma. He’s good because no matter what you do with him he has something. One of the best assists in the game and is one of the best on point for fighting Phoenix specifically. Can kinda get lamed out by some characters IMO but the fact that he has a universal safe overhead to utilize makes it so he he always has some type of mix up. Can pretty much DHC into himself and always get damage off throws. Nothing about his offense on point is so scary yet that he just trumps a lot of people on point like Mags, Dante or Wolvie but I would hardly say he loses to any of them if he has to fight them either.
His normals are short ranged requiring you to get into a dangerous range vs. other characters before you can really amount an offense but beam super, shoryu and tatsu makes sure people will have a hard ass time actually hitting you also. If rating him as a stand alone character I would say he’s a good high mid even without an assist. When you team him up with Wolvie+Phoenix or Wolvie+Wesker he’s basically top tier as an assist.
The fact that his assist creates top tier teams is probably the most significant thing about him.
Like Sentinel, Tron and Haggar there’s not much to talk about him. He’s dangerous when he hits you but with some of the worst normals in this game the odds of him hitting someone who is careful is extremely slim. I can’t help but feel that he’s overrated, both as an assist and on point, and those who jumped aboard the Akuma hype train are going to be burnt in the long run.
I would say the same if he didn’t do so well against Phoenix. That’s pretty important right now.
I also don’t really see how Zero has any more trouble with Ammy HHHH than anybody else. If anything Zero should be doing better against that shit than most other characters. If it’s not some lame shit from the complete other end of the screen Zero can do something about it.
People are sleeping on Task/Drones
He becomes almost fucking unapproachable with that assist. Totally destroys Zero imo, and can hold wolverine at bay as well. Its anti rushdown exemplified.
I’ve seen some stuff with Task + Hidden Missles from Honzo and that’s probably harder to get in against than Task + Drones. Not that Task + Drones is some shit that you can just run through but drones are more easily shut down with a projectile assist or other strong projectile from the point player. Taskmaster does a good job covering the missles start up and they home in on you once they’re out creating really lame pressure especially with the chip from his arrows. You’ll take serious chip before you even get in. It’s just once you do get in Doom is going to take a hurting and beam supers or other full screen projectile supers will give him Doom the blow up.
Drones is better to start an offense since they force staggered hit boxes towards the opponent that are great for left right mix ups or setting up multiple high lows. Doom beam assist chews through Sent Drones so I dont worry about it as much as the missles unless the character is using them offensively. Defensive drones I dont find that big of a deal and Zero as a character probably wouldn’t as long as he’s backed with a projectile assist that can soak up the drones. Charged buster shot can at least keep drones out of play even if he’s forced to take some chip from Task.
Once I learn a combo that sets up the DHC glitch from every situation I’ll main Dante. For now I’ll stick with She-Hulk lol
lol he pretty much can do this too.
I think drones are more potent because they benefit the other teammate as well more than missiles and the damage is much higher. To each his own however
what combo are you running on the ground for dante? ive been looking for something that i can run all the time as well, but i havent really found it yet.
-dime
Yeah I’m sure he can, I just don’t know the combos yet. I’m still Day 0 Dante, I just pick him while I’m waiting for Ranked Matches and do random shit.
I do A,B,C,Stinger,BC Volcano, J.B, Airplay, J.C, C, Cold Shower, Propeller, Hammer, Cold Shower, Stinger, BC Teleport, J.S/Hammer, Beehive, Jetstream
This is just midscreen tho, there are a lot of variations that get easy DHC glitches and such. The corner combo I use gets 800k for one meter.
ive found on that abc stinger bc volcano j.h airplay j.h. that the airplay wiffs at midscreen if the first A is kind of far away. … is that why you do jumping B airplay j.h? or is it just easier timing for you?
i dont like it when combos miss cause of small differences in starting distance… that shit bugs me for real.
-dime
I have X23 on my team 2nd so I dont have to worry about starting the DHC glitch with Dante. Either tag her in or TAC into her and start it from her. Even with the up tag at the start of the round I can build up enough meter to get 2 bars and start it off TAC. I try not to rely on it unless it’s a dangerous high health character cuz I’m trying to work on building up big damage without the use of it. The fact that my air to air and anti air bnb’s aren’t as strong yet means I usually will go for the derpy launch to TAC to set up DHC glitch just to get the character off the screen.
The combo I do is similar to Hades except I use j.H instead of j.M after the volcano. Doubt if that matters at all. The only other thing I do differently on the ground is my s.M+doom beam assist call to f+H stinger bold cancel telelport. It’s a true block string they can’t escape even if they advance guard the entire string so I get in no matter what and if it hits I just do a basic s.M, s.H, cold shower to whatever. Usually it ends up getting blocked so I can have a long block string that instantly gets me in and sets up the death touch ground combos.
The only character I noticed air play flat out whiffing against is Sentinel. Weird timing on him and then it seems impossible to land cold shower after you land on him.