Pheonix in healing field has at most 840k worth of health. The more damage the last hit does and the faster your combo drains her health, the lower her “real health” will be.
840k health still isn’t bad considering unless a character has XF or a bunch of meter their chances of being able to one shot Phoenix with healing field on become a lot smaller. Which a Phoenix player isn’t going to be using healing field unless it’s just Phoenix by herself without XF trying to scrape up the last opponent on the other team (Tokido style) or last ditch attempt to give her more health during DP (Viscant style).
Phoenix in Healing Field essentially takes half damage. So if you have no way to push her away, she has about 800k effective health. I say 800, because she won’t regain the red health on the hit that reduces her to 0 yellow. Also, any cinematic hyper cancels healing field.
This discussion thread has become TOO MUCH theory IMO. I love theory but it can’t dominate this discussion. I have made an excel spread sheet documenting the characters that got top 8 at most majors. It’s pretty much separates the “in theory” characters and the “in practice” characters.
Agreed.
Wolverine is good but hella overrated.
Zero is just ridiculous.
I think people are sleeping on Thor. I mean he has the most health in the game, and he has triangle jump pressure. Thor can open people up man. I think he’ll end up high mid tier at the least.
It’s just because the Wolverine X-Factor combo is so easy and he builds meter easily with easy execution. Zero builds awesome meter also but it takes more effort.
It is possible but health is one of the weakest “advantages” in the game. Even the 1.2m health characters are dieing in 1 combo now (even early game with wolverine xfactor combos). When I am thinking of 2nd and 3rd character for potential teams health is never a factor. I put him down as average.
Doesn’t work like that because characters like Viper who are extremely powerful but hard to use won’t get much play compared to scrubbity scrub herp derp characters like Wolverine.
Is been like that in almost every fighting game. Replace Viper with Soulcalibur’s Setsuka and Wolverine with Mitsurugi. Setsuka is definitely a much better character and this is accepted but since she is also one of, if not the hardest to use, Mitsurugi gets much more play at tourneys.
That doesn’t mean Mitsurugi suddenly is a better character than Setsuka. It means many other things but not that and the same applies to MvC3.
True but it does help with chip. I’ve seen Zero’s die because they got hit with a blocked hyper and then some projectiles lol.
Also, at lower levels also people aren’t ripping 1.3 million combos. Wolverine is I guess but majority of the cast isn’t.
Same thing with Yun in 3S in the US. Best character in the game but hardly anyone used him in tourneys because his execution made the average player’s hands hurt. Watch Japan and there’s all kinds of Yun’s wrecking shop along with any of the top US ones.
The situation you’d have to be in to die to some chip with Zero can only happen at scrub level play where everyone’s dropping their combos left and right and then somehow enough stray hits and chip kill Zero. If you’re going to bring up shit like that then X23 gets raped in the ass by stray chip on some ridiculous level you can’t even begin to comprehend compared to Zero. She has absolutely Zero to firefight such things other than a level 1 super with 60 frames of invincibility and otherwise must resort to running in with an assist to get in. Oh and she has exactly 30k more health than Zero. That means the health difference between her and Zero is basically a joke to bring up.
Zero on the other hand gets plenty of firepower just out of his special moves, a level 1 super that increases his firepower to some shit X23 can’t even comprehend and of course a level 3 super if you have the meter that blows through all other projectiles and is immune to anti projectile moves.
Please. At least be thankful of what your character can do good LAAWWD.
Yeaaaa wolverine is winning tournaments I dont think he is overrated. People have been saying that for months now and he continues to dominate.
Hsien-Ko and Arthur are Low Tier for sure.
I can give faith of Arthur being the worst character in the game as I tried my darndest to make him work with many combinations and setups but alas…
True BUT I didn’t mean Viper specifically. I meant overall there is SO many theories bouncing here and there. The discussion is good but some people are getting way carried away.
I guess I am more of a results win kind of guy. I think Viper is an excellent character and I really do hope here results improve but until they do I can’t give her too much credit.
This x100
I thought Wolverine was a bit overrated but now that I’ve seen XF1 Wolvie win tournaments on some easy mode dive kick off the tree shit…hell no.
Zero’s still better though.
TOP 5 IMO
Viper
Phoenix
Dante
Magneto
Zero
As far as what will happen in the next year. This is what will most likely happen. Who will be the absolute cheapest when execution is no longer a factor. They will most likely be fleshed out with other assist based character or whatever characters compliment their game but they will most likely be the Mags, Sents and Storms of the next 10 years.
There’s a reason anyone who was top tier in MVC2 didn’t require you to exercise your fingers except maybe Cable. They could do the most shit and controlled areas of the screen and dished damage the best. Your reward for being consistent with combos and knowing all the matchups and being a generally solid player is that your characters get to push around all the others.
Not like it will matter since this game will be practically dead after Evo since it is obvious that the Marvel upgrade will come soon so there won’t be a need to get so in depth with a game that will effectively be obsolete by next year’s Evo with the upgrade.
For Super MvC3, look out for it…Wolverine’s Dive kick and Zero’s anything beats Strider’s Ouroboros, LOL!
I like how Clockwork says he’s going to beat people with Strider if he’s DLC in Super MVC3. Watch Strider be some watered down Modok shit and end up losing to Best Friends for free. LOL.
I can’t wait for Super MVC3 to fix this stupid shit game. It’s way more fun than SFIV but it’s also way more stupid.
I thing people are thinking execution is the only barrier for characters like Viper and Zero. High level players wouldn’t worry too much about execution IMO. Players would choose those characters more often if they thought they were just miles better. Not to say execution isn’t a factor in their choices but I personally believe “X Top Player” would chose “X Character” over “Easy to use X Character” if that characters tools were in all ways better.
I just think Wolverine does some things better than Zero and vice versa. Making them both ridiculous characters. Have you ever played them on the same team? Me and my team mate use Wolverine and Zero sometimes. They have a DHC map that can kill off 800k characters without using XF and Shippuga can pick up off Wolverine’s OTG. It’s a Justin Wong like rush down team that is seriously very dominating.