S: Wolverine, Phoenix, Magneto,
A+: Dante, Zero, Dormammu, Wesker, Taskmaster
A: Ammy, Trish, Viper, Akuma, She Hulk
B+: Doom, Iron Man
B: Tron, Sentinel, Chris, Spencer, X23, Storm
B-: Spiderman, Hulk, Deadpool, MODOK, Felicia
C+: Thor, Skrull, Chun, Jill, Skrull
C: Haggar, Morrigan, Joe,
D+: Hsien Ko, Ryu,Shuma
D: Cap, Arthur
No real order per category
if anything spiderman needs to be up where iron man is
Could be, I fought Masta CJ last night and he used a Spidey team for a couple matches and he had some really nasty set ups.
I like that list, i could nitpick with a few the positions (I could elaborate if you care), but all in all it seems a pretty accurate representation of character power without any WTF things (such as people who keep putting viper in C tier).
Wolverine and Phoenix are definitely on their S tier shit IMO right now because as far as what happens on stream, they win the most. Magneto is up there but I still dont think he’s cheap enough for S tier. Dante is in the same boat as Magneto where it’s obvious he’s a beast but hasn’t flat out won 1st at majors as much as Wolvie, Best Friends, Phoenix. Either way I think he’s for sure even cheaper than Magneto but Magneto also has strong synergy with a lot of other characters and so strong himself that he could easily be there.
Personally the problem with these listings are the fact that no one dabbles in anything below what I would consider mid B. So we dont know the potential of said characters other than what we see that is knee deep
i pretty much agree with this
I put Magneto at S because he is a DHC starter (off of pretty big damage), amazing high/low game, and a really really stupid option select throw.
Yeah his throw game is definitely among the cheapest in the game. Barring hit boxes the next cheapest thing in the game are one frame throws and Magneto with his fast air and ground speed plus death combos on any throw makes him the cheapest in the game with probably the single cheapest aspect of the game outside of hit boxes and XF. It’s just Dante as a character is so able to deal with anything and pull out any cheap shit at any time outside of throws that he should definitely be on that S shit too. A plus doesn’t even do him justice IMO. He’s just capable of too much and can only really be blown up at a range where you can easily die trying to get into.
So I faced a legit Zero player for the first time last night. Is there a way to win in MvC3 without pressing buttons?
Pretty much agree with most of this, jut wondering why is Chris so high and Ryu so low? Also thinking maybe Chun should be lower.
I tend to seperate Phoenix and Dark Phoenix because Phoenix is always guarenteed to be part of the match, where as Dark Phoenix isn’t. How do you judge a character that might or might not kick your ass? Do you place her high because Dark Phoenix is retarded? Or place her mid because Phoenix has garbage health? I just seperate them and say from the very beginning that Dark Phoenix is shot above the rest, so you don’t have to deal with the what if’s about her getting 5 bars. Wolverine I also think is better than the rest of the cast, both of them are in teirs of their own imo.
The local players in my area hate games where pressing buttons all day wins and well…this is one of those games where you block with your buttons and your buttons also happen to kill people. Welcome to MVC3. I generally like games that are more aggressive and make it so you have to respect your opponent’s pressure and frame traps once they get in but in this game especially with assists it’s so easy to put people in situations where there’s nothing they can do but get hit. Basically whoever gets their gap closed on first is getting fucked up and unlike MVC2 it’s not like you’re put in a reset and there’s another back and forth strategy.
In this game the high damage means you’re usually out a character off of ABCS, BBCS turn on XF, long ass meter build to TOD combo or DHC glitch. Fun. Long as you’re the one doing it.
This isn’t SF. You’re not garbage just because you have garbage health. Phoenix on paper even with 420k health beats half the cast pretty free especially with an assist. She’s one of the few characters that Wolvie actually can’t do much about other than random air shit which she beats with her fireballs any way.
This also isn’t SF in the sense that the game is based on teams. Basing tiers on individual characters is rather flimsy way of showing off the strength of characters. It doesn’t emphasize what the whole team forces your opponent to do. The whole point of why Phoenix is S tier is because she forces your team to do different things strategically that no other team is capable of. She’s also able to do this at a risk/reward that is obviously not strong enough towards the risk side of things. You can build 2 meters with characters like Dante after spending a day in training mode. Any character that when put on a team completely changes the way the opponent has to play the game is going to be S tier.
People like to see individualized character tiers because everybody has their number one favorite character and it’s easier to see where that specific character probably is overall. Though how strong that character is overall always is dependent on what they are ultimately capable of when teamed with certain characters. Nobody just talked about Magneto being good in MVC2. Nobody just talked about Strider being good. It was always MSS, MSP, Strider Doom, Santhrax etc. Sure Psylocke and Captain Commando were terrible point characters but they were effectively gdlk simply because when paired with other characters they allow them new great powers only accessible with their assists.
Since I am going by the things I’ve seen on stream, (and I don’t think that’s wrong at all.) I’ll assume what you’re saying about Dante’s potential damage off Haggar is true.
You said that Dante/xx/Haggar can be a very strong team depending on who the other member is, so rather than just saying Dante/xx/Haggar has the potential to be a top tier team, it would be more constructive to break it down into specific characters, like you have done in your post.
Some combinations that I think that are particularly strong and have potential to be high tier, (Based on the assumption that Dante can do ToD combos off Double Lariat) are:
Dante/Doom/Haggar - Dr. Doom can make use of Haggar’s assist not only because he can do an OTG combo off of Double Lariat, but also because he has more freedom to mix you up when you’re under Haggar. Haggar also helps him advance towards the opponent by acting as a movable wall. Just the threat of being able to call Haggar and getting so much reward off the assist can scare the opponent out of acting too aggressive. Haggar also aids Dr. Doom’s mix up by not hitting crouching characters, allowing for Dr. Doom to throw opponents who are afraid of moving under Haggar. But I don’t think this team is quite as strong as Dante/Haggar/Phoenix. However, I am a bit biased against Dr. Doom and I think his high-low mix up is weak.
Dante/Wesker/Haggar - I think Wesker is a better partner because he has the same kind of left and right mix up Dante can use with Haggar’s Lariat, and he has many options to reset damage (Whether you think this has more or less value than Dr. Doom being able to do massive damage in the corner but not midscreen is a big factor in how you evaluate the strengths of each team). In addition to the left and right mix up on entry Wesker has with Haggar, all the benefits I highlighted above about Doom/Haggar also apply with Wesker. I believe this team is more optimal than the one with Dr. Doom, since being able to do teleport left/right mix-ups are valued highly in mvc3.
I wouldnt it is all part of the phoenix package, imo
I was just implying that it was literally impossible to press a button without Zero going “Lol ok thanks”. It was crazy, I have played matches where I felt completely helpless but the matches with him takes the cake.
I think I touched Zero once but wasn’t able to confirm it.
Zero near you pressing buttons = nothing you can do but block. Not even Magneto can do that to you. That’s why he’s S IMO. With an assist you’re not going to be able to block everything he does and he can get combos off any throw I believe with an assist so someway somehow you’re going to get hit.
Honestly watching LLND’s Chris makes me think he is pretty good. Chris MUST have an assist (sometimes 2) but I feel he hits pretty hard from anywhere on the screen (DAT Magnum) and his land mine can stuff tri jumpers and lead into big damage.
Chris G makes Ryu look average… thats why I have him so low lol when an amazing player can only make you look “ok”
Yea Chun sucks. She doesn’t do damage in a game of damage. I could see her definately being lower.
The single best aspect of Ryu is that you ruin the opponent’s ability to call assists when Ryu plus meter with beam supers that are completely safe on block no matter what type you use. Nothing that makes him S tier but the ability to remove assists from your opponent’s play is still something formidable except against a Phoenix team of course.
Yea he was using Akuma assist too. I have seen some cheap stuff… but that made the dollar menu seem royally expensive.