MvC3 Actual Balance/Potential Tiers Discussion

[SaltyKracka]

No?? Really? That’s what chicken guard is? Moron. I guess Wolverine inseminated your ass as well.

And so is anyone who thinks WoW is a real game.

BTW you jump forward as soon as you hear berserker slash. You have the option to grab Wolvie if he decides to take that route or defend yourself if it fails. Protecting yourself from crossover dive kick ;p

…The only problem with your plan is that…y’know…zerker slash has more than one range. That’s why it’s a mixup, dumbfuck.

[Nobus3r1]

skrull is too high, I couldn’t seem to XF his supers. He has a lot of punishable moves, and his level 3 has odd range. Doom should be in place of skrull.

You can’t XFC his supers because he isn’t touching the ground. His level 3 has a variable range depending on what buttons you pressed to activate it.
http://wiki.shoryuken.com/images/f/fe/L.png + http://wiki.shoryuken.com/images/a/a3/M.png position left
http://wiki.shoryuken.com/images/f/fe/L.png + http://wiki.shoryuken.com/images/a/a2/H.png position mid
http://wiki.shoryuken.com/images/a/a3/M.png + http://wiki.shoryuken.com/images/a/a2/H.png position right

[akuma31]

And so is anyone who thinks WoW is a real game.

It used to be. At least it still has nationals and still has a bigger following than fighting games.

[Aoishi2AL]

1. Air grab. Wolvie still kills off of it.

Also, Zerker slash, duck under it and walk/dash forward after…

Negative ghost rider. MODOK can call assists from flight mode and any decent MODOK is going to cancel his jumping S into his cube or homing bomb. MODOK usually comes with missiles. As soon as MODOK touches the ground all he has to do is IAD Up or Up forward to his herp eh derp jumping S into Homing bomb and magic happens. IMO too many people are sleeping on him. Cubed Barrier against Wolvie fucks his life up. Unless Wolvie does a weapon X MODOK can RTSD.

Mag can grab MODOK cause of his Super jump into Air Dash so I know where you are coming from.

[SaltyKracka]

By your own logic, then, Jam Session assist eats Modok for breakfast.

[Aoishi2AL]

…The only problem with your plan is that…y’know…zerker slash has more than one range. That’s why it’s a mixup, dumbfuck.

that’s why you jump fucktard! Thank you and come again.

[ogrekillers]

And

1. MODOK can fly at the start of the match.
   Grabs are almost 50/50 of the openers, it’s anyones game.

2. Super jump and reinitiate keepaway.

3. This is silly.

4. Again.

What can Wolvie do against fullscreen beams? Super jump and herp eh derp dive kick? Get push blocked? Get crossed over? Get Akuma baited and supered?

Congratulations, MODOK flies… and then he gets grabbed and killed. Or Wolverine berserker slashes and hits because MODOK has a huge hitbox.
What can Wolverine do against fullscreen beams? Not much, true but he can and will kill you before you can run away enough to start your little beam spam game. Super jump and dive kick? Yes he can do that AND GUESS WHAT IT WORKS BECAUSE OF COOLDOWN PERIODS. Super jump and resume keepaway? He can see exactly where you can land and start another mixup when you do. And eventually, when your keepaway game doesn’t work out and your zoner gets blown up, get ready to face those “silly” mixups when your 2nd/3rd character comes in.

In any case, Wolverine is partnered with Akuma for a reason: Akuma’s Tatsu EATS BEAMS/PROJECTILES.

[SaltyKracka]

…since when has jumping done anything against left/right mixups? And if you try to say that you automatically superjump every time you hear zerker slash start up, you’ve got better reflexes than anybody I’ve ever heard of.

[Maverick8]

Results speak louder than any of your trash talking words

[Nini_Heart]

She-Hulk, I feel that once she’s inside, she has a ton of options to convert to damage. With the right combo ext. assist and utility assist, she is very difficult to deal with. She has a lot of HP as well. Her only weakness is being zoned out which could be addressed by picking the right assist. Akuma can be in the 3rd slot to cover both utility and combo extension.

Trish and Sent, I think they fit in that bracket quite comfortably (they are at the top of that bracket after all). Trish deals sub-par damage but makes up for it by having a great keepaway game, decent offense (she’s anti-keepaway too), Peekaboo assist, and Round Harvest setups. She’s not the one to kill you, but she can get you to one that can. I felt that characters in the tier above her can really make something happen but Trish just doesn’t fit in there b/c she’s only the setup to something good.

Sent has a deadly hit confirm, great assist, but he gets blown up easily once you learn how to get past it. I put him in C because he’s generally used as a supporting character. Once the main character is lost, his only hope is a hit confirm that may or may not hit. It gets worse as your opponent’s defense gets better.

Super Skrull is in that bracket b/c I think he has what he needs to be a point character. Good HP, good damage relaunch combos, resets, etc. With assists you can address his weaknesses leading to a workable team.

Storm is actually too high, I’ll fix that up

Once again, people need to stop talking when they don’t know shit about a character. Trish BnB deals the same damage as Wolverine/Wesker’s. With a OTG assist, she can Round Harvest>Some air normals>Maximum Voltage and deal serious damage. She also sets up the DHC glitch, so no, Trish’s damage potential is not sub-par.

As for Storm, after seeing Justin play, I take back whatever I said about her being trash.

Zero is too low, Skrull/Spencer/X-23 are too high. Switch those 3 with Trish/Sent/Storm and bump up their spots in their tier.

[Aoishi2AL]

LOL. This is a blatant disregard for common fighting game knowledge. Sure, some people here are really riding the Wolverine train too far, that is the nature of tiering but I’d rather deal with those people than you’re uninformed, belligerent, scrubby comments. You’re getting nowhere by being insulting and you are ESPECIALLY not getting anywhere by making untrue statements.

What common fighting game knowledge? Show me where I’ve said anything that’s untrue. Insulting really gets you nowhere btw, really makes you come off like an assclown. Am I insulting myself? I’m not. Pre-pubescent morons such as yourselves can’t handle a comment on an internet forum and instead get their butt hurt by someone disregarding their reality. The reality is that Wolvie loses to keepaway and I think he’s high mid. If you can’t deal with it go cry to your mom about it LOL. There’s no need to flame or start name-calling when someone is trying to make intelligent discussion. It makes you and the lot of you seem like savage trolls instead of fighting game enthusiasts.

On a side note: She-Hulk/Task/Spencer are top tier because Combofiend has won tournaments with them. ;p

[quicks]

The order they are in represents where I think they are compared to others in the same bracket.
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i pretty much agree with this although I would swap trish and sent for x 23 and skrull

[Aoishi2AL]

Saltycracka: Jam Session indeed does.

[Cryoh]

And

Congratulations, MODOK flies… and then he gets grabbed and killed. Or Wolverine berserker slashes and hits because MODOK has a huge hitbox.
What can Wolverine do against fullscreen beams? Not much, true but he can and will kill you before you can run away enough to start your little beam spam game. Super jump and dive kick? Yes he can do that AND GUESS WHAT IT WORKS BECAUSE OF COOLDOWN PERIODS. Super jump and resume keepaway? He can see exactly where you can land and start another mixup when you do. And eventually, when your keepaway game doesn’t work out and your zoner gets blown up, get ready to face those “silly” mixups when your 2nd/3rd character comes in.

In any case, Wolverine is partnered with Akuma for a reason: Akuma’s Tatsu EATS BEAMS/PROJECTILES.

Pretty much said what I was going to, thanks. I don’t think Aoshi actually plays this game, based on this:

BTW you jump forward as soon as you hear berserker slash. You have the option to grab Wolvie if he decides to take that route or defend yourself if it fails. Protecting yourself from crossover dive kick ;p

Dude, I don’t think you know what berserker slash is. It’s a ground-based dashing attack that is projectile-immune during the actual dash, and ends with a rather large attack that knocks back on hit. There is no dive kick mixup on the move, since it has a rather large recovery afterwards (which is usually negated with either an assist providing additional block stun or by cancelling with Berserker Charge).

[Maverick8]

What common fighting game knowledge? Show me where I’ve said anything that’s untrue. Insulting really gets you nowhere btw, really makes you come off like an assclown. Am I insulting myself? I’m not. Pre-pubescent morons such as yourselves can’t handle a comment on an internet forum and instead get their butt hurt by someone disregarding their reality. The reality is that Wolvie loses to keepaway and I think he’s high mid. If you can’t deal with it go cry to your mom about it LOL. There’s no need to flame or start name-calling when someone is trying to make intelligent discussion. It makes you and the lot of you seem like savage trolls instead of fighting game enthusiasts.

On a side note: She-Hulk/Task/Spencer are top tier because Combofiend has won tournaments with them. ;p

You referred to chicken blocking being effective against Beserker Slash when it is a left/right mix up with different ranges. You suggested super jumping as a remedy to Wolverine pressure which is clearly something that has to be done on reaction/prediction and is not feasible consistently. You are seeming to ignore the fact that Beserker Slash can pass through projectiles. You’re overall just making claims that the general community disagrees with which is why you’re meeting so much opposition. They disagree because they’ve seen no proof otherwise.

Also I do think She-Hulk, Task, and Spencer are in the higher tiers. Less so Spencer because he has had less showing at the top.

[piskooooo]

>Wolverine wins almost every major
"lol nah, he’s only High-Mid, loses to keep away free"

[Saturius]

As for Storm, after seeing Justin play, I take back whatever I said about her being trash.

Are you talking about when he used her in the Norcal finals? What was it about her play there that made you rethink her tier positioning? I’m just curious cause I think AndyOCR’s Storm is just as good if not better, but if Wong’s use of her was what made you change your mind about her and not his, I wonder what Wong’s doing with the character that caused the shift. Of course, I’ve never thought Storm was trash though. She’s always been mid tier at the least to me.

[Cryoh]

I thought that Wong bringing back Storm for GF was just for the 1-frame DHC’d Hail Storm, in case he had to fight it out with a Dark Phoenix.

[Maverick8]

I thought that Wong bringing back Storm for GF was just for the 1-frame DHC’d Hail Storm, in case he had to fight it out with a Dark Phoenix.

I am pretty sure that is what it was for. He figured it’d be helpful and he is actually good with the character too.

[Nini_Heart]

Are you talking about when he used her in the Norcal finals? What was it about her play there that made you rethink her tier positioning? I’m just curious cause I think AndyOCR’s Storm is just as good if not better, but if Wong’s use of her was what made you change your mind about her and not his, I wonder what Wong’s doing with the character that caused the shift. Of course, I’ve never thought Storm was trash though. She’s always been mid tier at the least to me.

He had some interesting setups on characters coming in where he got a free mix up if they blocked and a free combo on hit. Also couldn’t be superjumped or anything, kinda like her own personal jam session assist.

His movement with her was also something else, she was looking reallyyy fast.

I guess I had only seen scrub Storms who kept on dropping combos and mashing super and doing basic magic series into DHC glitch before this, so I might be overreacting.