Wong and Ricky were winning everything in SSF4 with Rufus which made everyone else switch to Rufus.
wait…
Everyone just calm down. You’re nuts to be forgetting who is playing these teams/characters and nuts to be forgetting the character selection in top 8.
June is just a salty month for Marvel players lol.
Look at top 8 marvel teams in the last few weeks… They are almost all wolverine teams or phoenix teams. Now look at top 8 in AE. The “omg hurp derp twins” tend to make up about half the main teams. You still have people playing Juri, Ryu, Balrog, Gief, Rufus etc. AE’s tiers are much closer even with the current twins complaints than marvel. Marvel is seeing a much higher % of its S tier characters than other games.
I would rather have a bunch of S tiers than just Yun, Yang, and Fei.
I’d rather have Mahvel than Footsie Fighter 4 Nerf Edition
To be honest, I saw this coming for a while now. Not the characters necessarily (Though some that were predicted to be up there are up there… If not most really), but the metagame coming to be made up of very little diversity. Between just looking at Marvel 2 (I know the games are extremely different, but when I see dat robot, I see dat Mahvel madness), and looking over the roster of MvC3 and the character’s tools, it was all too obvious. From the start we saw who was not going to see much tourny time at all. Then we saw an experimental phase where teams were really diverse, and that was a very interesting period, but now we see the “odds” characters have in matches, and people are playing them.
Really, it is probably too early for all this talk though, and I hope it is, but if it in fact isn’t, I wouldn’t be surprised. I will not say EVO will decide this, but I will say this: If I see an EXTREMELY obscure team like Chun-li/Morrigan/Joe make top 8, I will promptly put my foot in my mouth and be someone else’s fanboy.
I don’t know. Maybe it’s because I play Magneto myself, but I never get blown up by Magneto the way I do with Wolverine. Shit, just look at the stream, they proved he is pretty blockable most of the time, I didn’t really see any crazy mix-ups from a Mag that were destroying entire teams.
Yeah the option select is pretty universal to all air-dash characters, it’s only because Magneto’s gives him a free combo after that it seems pretty broken, but unlike you say the execution to make that grab worth jack shit is actually worth noting since you need the hyper grav loop to turn it into real damage. I guess it depends on your definition of easy.
I think people are getting a little carried away with the whole future of marvel or EVO results, but I just know personally I can’t stand watching anymore god damn Wolverine. The moment Wolverine confirms that stagger/ground bounce the next 10 seconds might as well be a cinematic, like an X-ray attack, cause the shit is never going to change.
EVO won’t decide anything. It’s just going to be the usual suspects in Top 8/16 running the teams they’re best with now. Unless this guy Tokido is calling the best MvC3 player in Japan shows up with his MODOK/HseinKo/??? team, it’s just going to be another MvC3 tourney. I’m looking forward to some obscure teams working well but they won’t beat out the skill of marquee players unless they are just as skilled.
Yeah, I actually agree with this. I still feel the game has tons of life in it, I just get salty from being blown up frequently from the popular shit that the pros make popular.
You people are freaking out. There are 17 viable characters in this game PROVEN by tournaments results. Are they all on equal footing? No. But having this many characters being viable is healthy. They aren’t all getting equal exposure either to be fair enough. Also, In street fighter there was only one Yun in the top four so…yeah.
Phoenix
Wolverine
Wesker
Dante
Ammy
Zero
Tron
Doom
Task
Dorm
Magneto
She Hulk
Trish
Viper
Spencer
Sentinel
Akuma
Iron Man and Haggar are debatable as they are very worthy assist but they are less represented than Tron or Akuma and I feel me stating them as PROVEN viable would be a bit ahead of myself.
tbh magneto Is retarded , but he is 10 times harder to play than Logan , but even then a dropped.combo is still a mixup
I agree with whoever said once Logan touches you the rest should just be a cinematic
Yeah, it’s a little skewed but I appreciate your positive outlook.
Sadly it’s a bunch of top tiers with the go-to assists. It’s not like these are teams of Trish/Viper/Taskmaster, it’s more like Shulk/Wolverine/Akuma, Wolverine/Akuma/Tron, Wolverine/Akuma/Wesker, Magneto/Wolverine/Akuma, Magneto/Wesker/Sentinel, etc.
I think it’s pretty fair to say the % of teams in top 8 with some variation of Wolverine/Akuma is a lot greater than say Combofiends Spencer/Shulk/Task or NerdJosh with Shulk/Task/Tron etc.
Some characters were purposely designed to be shitty on point unless they have assists covering like Tron or Doom. They’re both designed as assist characters where you need to get shit done with your team using their powerful assists before it has to come down to them fighting.
Getting bent up on how many characters being used in a tourney is typical new age fighting gamer/stream monster stuff. Back in the day we didn’t worry about how many characters were in the tourney results. Back when I was playing 3S regularly in tourneys there weren’t Ibukis in tournaments period. Sure you may not see X23, Tron or Doom in the top 8 of every tourney but at least it happens sometimes in locals or majors. Not only were you hard pressed to see an Ibuki make top 8 but you were hard pressed to find another Ibuki in a tournament…like just period. Like seeing another Ibuki in tournament was a treasure enough. That didn’t stop me from playing her in every single tournament I ever went to and eventually getting 9th at Evo with her.
If you want a character underused to make top spots you just gotta do it yourself or sit there and wait till it eventually happens. The character diversity in top 8 for this game is solid enough despite the fact that XF1 Wolvie and XF3 DP are retarded. It just goes to show that cheap games allow diversity through everybody having some cheap ass shit. LOL. Capcom made sure everybody was cheap, it’s just a few are a bit too cheap. Which I prefer over SFIV’s making sure everybody is shit.
How do you all feel about what Jago has been saying about people’s team choices? Here they are if you haven’t see them:
I agree with him even though I use Tron. I always assume I’m going to lose when I’m down to just Tron unless I pull off some magic shit, same with Cyclops/Psylocke/Commando in MvC2. The plan with characters like Tron is to have an assist so good you shouldn’t even get to them, but this is Marvel 3 and that doesn’t happen. With a team like his you’re never like “w/e it’s just Trish” because even she can blow you up. Even when you snap her in he’s got Wesker and Dante Unblockable setups with her. If you snap in Tron or Haggar they’ve got nothing outside of random Disruptor assists or w/e is on your team.
Diversity does not automatically mean that every character has cheap shit; hell, even if it did, the definition of “cheap shit” changes as the game’s life goes on.
To be fair, I don’t see any way that Wolverine won’t be dangerous in this game at some point. Even if something more powerful comes along with (let’s oh, let’s just say, Chris or something), Wolverine will still have his 1-touch-death combos. Dark Phoenix, however, I truly see as pretty much being a flash in the pan, sort of like Iceman in MVC2. There are so many legitimate ways around her, it’s not even funny.
Diversity can also come by every character just being shitty enough that no one is better than another by a crazy margin. Which was basically console super SFIV. I generally prefer the diversity through most characters having something you really have to worry about.
There aren’t really a lot of ways around Phoenix in general, it’s just because of the risky nature of the character the options that are there are generally effective because for right now those strats crumble a Phoenix team if they work. You got these new guys coming in with ok to decent play of 2 front characters and bank on Phoenix being in the 5 meters. The reason Tokido’s Phoenix team was so scary was that he was looking to kill you from the front. Most of the Phoenix teams at Nor Cal weren’t Tokido style Phoenix teams. They were typical 2 months ago strat Phoenixes praying for the 5 bars and playing overly conservative with the points. Outside of Filip Champ Justin only had to deal with the O.Phoenix teams that touch you light combos and just wanna tag combo and build meter.
Dark Phoenix with XF3 on the screen still pretty much = you’re fucked unless random super or chicken block in the corner for 20 seconds saves you.
Would I be safe in assuming this comment was pseudo-towards me? To be honest, when I was typing about diversity, that thought of, “Hey, why don’t I try to do some new shit and show people up with it,” did occur to me. I try, but… no. Hahaha
I don’t really get upset at there being a lack of diversity in tournys. That’s always going to happen, period. So long as tiers exist it will happen. It’s just fun to think I could end up seeing a Chris telling a Wolverine his projectiles are acceptable. I’ve pretty much peaked at this game. I have no local competition. I mostly spectate with some “deeper” insight into the game since I do play it, which is why I may want diversity, not just at EVO, but in the game’s life-time. It’s a shallow, stupid reason, but I’m human.
As for Jago’s comments, though I am somewhat offended at him dogging the east coast (Mid-West here), it’s true, and it happens far too often. It’s a bit unsettling see it happen as much as it does. Especially when the “Doomed anchor” gets a hit and drops the combo a few hits in, especially when it could have saved his ass. I can’t whine though. Haggar and Tron’s brain-deadlessness is amazing (I do actually practice with them though).
Jago makes excellent points. I’ve always thought that Tron shouldn’t be anchor… should be on point w/good assist for ToD combos or 2nd to benefit your first character with assists. Each time I see NerdJosh play, I wonder how his tron would look if he had her + an assist to make it not look so free.
If your character is only assist-tier then getting blown up is easy. You have to learn all your characters on point, with/without assists.
I’ve gotta agree with Jago. I play like that myself and I use damn Haggar on point! You know why? Because I actually went to the lab with him and found out he is a perfectly viable character with an assist and it angers me when people say Haggar is trash.
I chose my team on day 1 and stuck with it from the beginning with the idea in mind that if I worked on every character in the lab individually and then figured out their synergy in actual real matches then I could be successful no matter what tier my characters turn out to be in and I think I’ve proved that.
I found it funny how people just abused Doom hidden missile assist in week 1 and didnt actual put any effort into Doom himself.If they did they’d find out he is actually a very complex character that isnt easy mode at all but takes dedication and effort to play so to people looking to utilise Dooms assist, learn him as a point character first!
I feel like people are taking wrong approaches when looking at making teams.People start composing teams without thinking how hard some characters are to play even if they do have good assists or DHC synergy.
Overall it looks like american players want to learn one character and then have two assists characters that take no skill to play on point so they dont have to put as much effort into creating synergy as its automatically there. You can see this just by looking at Justin and Floe.She hulk is clearly their best character and they have some nice technology there but then Wolverine and Akuma just play themselves.
I suppose thats how the game is gonna look for a while until people actually step it up with characters from the high-mid tier and put effort into their team, creating strategies for themselves no matter what angle the team is played from.
That very reason is why I think Combofiend is the best in the USA at the moment and I hope he fucks up every Wolverine/Akuma team at Evo. Timothy should also get an honorable mention.
It was towards anyone who made a post in a realm of what you were saying which was like half the posts on the last page…so yeah. Of course I understand liking to see underrated characters perform. That’s pretty much all I’ve based my tourney play on any way.
Agreed
lack of variety is what’s making wolverine same godlike i been saying it character like hagger hulk, spencer, task, thor, chun, tron, viewtiful joe etc can blow up wolverine and akuma. everybody using wesker wolverine akuma she hulk experiment with your character