Give Haggar armor then too. For some reason I thought he had some on some of his air normals.
Disruptor can be punished by Magnum on block? Are you sure? Maybe if you block then fire and Magneto is trying to throw another EMP out.
EDIT: Disruptor is -15 on block, Magnum has 22 startup, can’t punish it.
Ammy is fine, great character IMO. She is suppose to be really annoying and raise salt levels. Her hurt box is what makes her so good.
I think I typed it wrong for Mags. Magneto shoots disruptor. Chris blocks, and reversal Magnums. Magneto goes for another disruptor and instead gets mapped by the magnum.
I don’t think giving Haggs armor would be good. he has jL which has good priority and can hit confirm to Air Pipe. he has dat pipe twice, and the situational headbutt.
I love threads like these… for reals! I know its a Marvel game and should be broken…
Nerfs
Stick to a short list of simple nerfs and that’s all you really need
While I agree with most of your list you nerfed Ammy pretty hard lol, you must hate her more than me.
And how dare you nerf my flame carpet and stalking flares :mad:
Eurgh, I hate seeing nerf talk.
The top tier of MVC3 doesnt have any overpowered stuff, because everyone in the top 10 has the same amount of bullshit as each other.They also have weaknesses that are getting more fleshed out every day.
XFLvl 3 and Phoenix are the only things that need to be rebalanced.Buff the lower tiers up and leave the top tiers as they are and you’ll have a vastly more interesting game.The amount of viable teams and creativity will be insane.
You only have to look at AE to see how nerfing the top tiers turned out.
Are you retarded? Serious question.
Most chars in this game have something strong enough to make them playable. The top tiers simply have more… taking them down slightly to match the level 80% of the cast is at already is easier and more predictable than trying to come up with ways of bringing 30 characters up to the level of the top 5.
Fix some of the really wonky/dumb hitboxes (Ammy In general) and I agree with level 3 grabs killing, cause they should (like haggars Level 3 grab should do a CLEAN 60% just like Zangeif in SF4)
nice to see sakeido still running around trying to ruin dante as always.
@ cheech wizard
your right about the top tiers nopt being over powered. in fact, dante, wesker, magneto, zero are fine. the problem is that the rest of the cast aren’t on they’re level. so what would the obvious fix be? buff up the shitty characters. not cripple characters like sakeido shitty ass nerf list suggesting. like i literally LOL’d at all his dante nerfs.
fix dive kicks
Okay, my opinion:
One of the three for Wesker: Damage nerf, Health nerf or hitbox nerf. His normals are ridiculous for how fast they are, especially the gun which even acts as an anti-air.
Buff Hsien-Ko’s mobility
Perhaps add double jump to Cap, invincibility for Stars and Stripes.
Take away Dark Phoenix’s X Factor damage and speed bonuses, lower everyone else’s except maybe Arthur.
I believe balance fixes should make the game more fun. Tough luck for Wesker players, though. No fun for you guys.
Wesker does not need a damage nerf. His straight forward damage is pretty average compared to the rest of the cast. His mix ups are what make him so good, not damage.
Health nerf is the best option, keep all his tools but make him easier to get rid of upon mistakes.
seriously man you are a fuckin idiot. the top tiers are only fine compared to each other. like I said, most of the cast has a gimmick strong enough that they are playable. Trying to buff 30 characters to match the perceived power level of 5 characters is a recipe for disaster - looking at this from a project management standpoint, that is one of the worst possible solutions to this issue. It is horribly complex to the alternative, which is to nerf the top 5 slightly. The absolute best way of balancing this game is to do what Capcom has never done before - freeze most of the cast and make NO CHANGES (something they refuse to do, see the completely inexplicable nerfs to Abel, Dhalsim, Ryu, Vega and Balrog from SSF4 to AE), pick only a few problem characters, and fix them.
You think those Dante nerfs are major? He will still build 2 bars a combo, still do 800k+ damage, still has crazy laming out abilities, still has cross up square dash swords out of jump cancelable normals, still has all the normal Devil Trigger ways of extending combos, still has an iceberg that covers half the screen, ways of making everything safe on block, the fully invincible combo starting Hammer, a dive kick-ish thing that can cross up, wall bounces, floor bounces, and a few different ways to OTG.
If you think your Dante needs buffs or doesn’t deserve nerfs, you can’t handle his execution. Switch to Wolverine.
I basically can’t agree with this, at all, I’m sorry lol. Taking away bold move cancelling(he can’t regularly jump cancel, bold move is technically a special move)properties away from F.H/Stinger means no bold cancel>Volcano combos and would also kill off a large majority of his combos, which would fucking jar the shit out of me. And the 800k health nerf is far too extreme IMO if the nerfs you mentioned got implemented.
His damage is great when you take in consideration everything else he has. But yes, it’s the least problematic attribute of his. Personally, I just want those goddamned normals that stuff everything nerfed.
wow, the fact that you don’t think those changes will hinder dante’s playstyle suggest that you’re either a dumbass or you use shitty characters and you just tired of getting blowned up by dante. like really no tracking on hysteric? dante’s zoning game would be affected greatly if he lose this. hell, his zoning ( while decent ) isn’t even that fucking good as you been trying to make it out to be. and his vortex not being able to combo off of after hit is another dumb suggestion. that will greatly alter some of his devil trigger combos as well as making the threat of SJ escape vortex less threatening because you won’t fear shit after you get tagged by it. and adding recovery to air play? so you want to cripple his only decent start up projectile when he needs to play some sort-of-keepaway so you can just charge in and punish? and lets also forget the fact that this will alter some bnbs like his standard M, H, F+H ( bold cancel ) J.H, air play, J.H etc.
like i said, you just sound real bitter. how about you play the character before you suggest such dumbass things.
i’d just like to say that all cap “needs” is an otg he can use to start a combo off his own airthrows
yeah man his zoning game will really suck if his missiles won’t reverse direction to catch chars who got behind him due to a good read… oh hey, maybe I’ll buff the durability on missiles so that they don’t get blown up so badly by weak projectiles like Wesker’s gun and could effectively shield him from beams and hados. how bout that?
anyway if you think Dante zoning sucks - you suck. Practice more or pick an easier character. OH NO you won’t be able to cheese wins comparitively easier than the rest of the cast anymore… whine whine whine whiiiiiiine
also, no sympathy if your combos change. He still has ways of getting huge damage if he loses one or two things. find them, use them.
lol and on the note, stay free. it’s obvious you just have it in for dante. and cheese wins? lol wow. dante is one of the hardest characters to get good with. he’s comparable to sf ryu in a sense that he’s a jack of all trades but master of none, plus the fact that you have to work for your wins with him. but you wouldn’t know because you just bitch all day.
I am so glad several of the people in this thread aren’t (as far as I know) in the business of balancing games because their solutions to the top tier characters seems to be to come on them with the angry fist of a salty God. Also IMO it is much easier to make crappy characters better than it is to effectively tone down overpowered characters. The reason being that nerfing tends to result in overkill while the worst that can happen with buffing is that the overpowered tier has a new member and again IMO it’s better to have more playable characters than fewer. For example one trend that seems to be prevalent among the lower tiered characters in an inability to self-OTG. This reduces damage potential, reduces reset potential and frequently requires an OTG assist to maximize damage. What if we gave a couple of those characters that already had slide moves the ability to OTG with them similar to Wolverine’s df.M? Now instead of needing an OTG assist they can continue their combo with any assist that will hold the opponent in place long enough. Like say if Hsien-Ko’s cr.H could do that then that alone might rectify her shitty damage output.
Dante is going to get toned down for sure. There’s nothing that character can’t do and he will eventually always kill in one combo. DT is retarded good and I’m sure Capcom already knows. Characters like Dante always get the nerf bat in the new age of fighters. If they toned down Sentinel who will never ever ever be better than Dante…then something is going to happen to him. Sentinel’s 1.3 million health was the only shot he had of being half as good as Dante. Once Dante gets cracked out and people realize characters that dont just sit on super armor and require 2 seconds of thought can be good…there’s just no comparison with the potential abilities of Dante. Once some cracked out Japanese guy really puts Dante together…people are going to wish they were fighting 1.3 Sent. Luckily that power of Dante is something that would rarely be seen online in the US so online warriors can stay safe.
Sentinel is literally a half assed version of Dante. That’s how good Dante will eventually be if he’s cracked out before nerfs. There’s nothing Sentinel can do that Dante can’t do completely better and Dante has a much smaller hit box. Only thing Sentinel has over Dante is…well nothing. Wesker is definitely comparable in power to 3 and a half month Dante but a year or 2 from now cracked out Dante will most likely trump Wesker in strength also.
Phoenix is such a random character that even if you change one thing to her it will drastically change her effectiveness. Like if all you did to Phoenix was make it so her XF3 in D.Phoenix only lasts 10 seconds…that alone would open her up way more to be beaten by a lot of the cast. The reason why she looks retarded is mainly just how no matter how good you did as long as she has access to level 3 XF all 3 of your characters could die easily. With a 10 second level 3 XF it would be much easier to lame the XF out and then fight a slower version of Phoenix that’s constantly bleeding and must turn on healing field to have a chance of surviving.