Right on, I would love to see that.
I stand by what I said about him being merely potential at this stage of the game, but I would love to see you throw down with MODOK and make me change my mind.
His counter?
That’s the point, in theory fighter people don’t drop stuff, so saying that Dhalsim isn’t all that great in theory/robot fighter as you did earlier is where I disagree. I totally agree with you that people drop things, which is why in actually tier lists he’s somewhere around 11-15.
I only was posting this up in direct response to you saying "i’m gonna clarify this once and for all. its not that hes completely unusable, but saying the only thing holding him back is execution is 100% theory fighting.
aside from going offscreen and long limbs what does he really have going for him?" Execution is what holds him back since off of more situations than other characters, including ones that are impossible to escape he can hit his things. Execution holds Dhalsim back and unless humans start direct interfacing with robots he’s never going to jump in tiers above a character like Strider who has a lot of more easily applicable tools.
However saying with robot execution Sim is anything but stupid amazing is inaccurate.
As for training mode combos, I’ve pulled that one in match a few times, it doesn’t incorporate his more complex stuff like the stand mk link. It’s about as practical as slide loop is in a real match as far as execution’s concerned aside from setting up off an unblockable.
@Piskooo: Wesker’s light command grab.
Wesker can start the trick of command throw canceled into counter super DHC into someone that can end the trick. Probably not the best use of the trick since you get no damage before you reset it but its still there.
That’s cool, I never knew that.
As of right now, yeah. The ones in my sig are my current teams. I might be going back to my roots and end up using a team of Jill / Sent / Morrigan and keep Morrigan strictly as anchor…except vs teams with particular characters. Teams that have Dorm, Phoenix, Trish and maybe one or two others, im going to switch Morrigan for someone else…probably Dorm. I was kinda thinking maybe Dante as an anchor, or maybe even Viper. I might be totally off here, but I was thinking viper in XF lvl3 + all her seismo shenanigans and all her tools in general would make for a GREAT anchor. Seems like she can do pretty much anything she wants. Throw XF lvl3 into that equation ? I dont see how it can NOT be good. Thanks for answering my question with a detailed answer.
Btw, how in the hell did you remember 2/3rds of my team from 2 months ago o.O ? godlike memory lol
Maybe hes the weakest link on my team because he was my newest character and I was still working on him at the time not because hes the weakest character on my team…thats such a stupid thing to even mention when talking about the character. Anyway I don’t really know why I bothered posting too many experts that know everything in this thread peace
I’m pretty sure watching old Evo videos I’ve seen the 3 character infinite kill Iron Man shit. Kill the first with infinite, guard break second with infinite, guard break third infinite 3 0 done.
About the tier list thing…there’s definitely reason to keep the tier lists with what’s working currently but there’s definitely characters in the future that with more exploration are looking to be pretty srs bzns IMO. It’s nice that Wolverine doesn’t really lose to much anything but Sagat didn’t really lose to much anything either and still got beat up a lot and nearly lost to Akuma in Vanilla by a year or 2 in. Wolverine can use bare basics to deal with most of the things that happen in the game which is definite high tier stuff but there’s a lot of potential in characters like Viper, Modok, Trish, X23, Jill and even Dr.Doom where we could definitely see some real shit happen with them. The most they’ll probably ever get to is nearly as scary as Dante or Magneto but that’s still pretty good.
yea fuck what any proven good tournament players says because the Iron Man’s i fight online are trash therefore he is low tier
Just b/c someone is a good tournament player doesn’t make their opinions any more valid by its own right. Ever hear great athletes talk about the strategy of the game afterwards? Sometimes it’s full of fail.
In fact, I would say that since flash is more talented than 90% of the players he plays against, he may have a distorted view of how good Iron Man is. Just b/c he can make it work and bowl over less talented players… doesn’t quite make Iron Man good.
Flash, instead of coming in here and being pissy b/c we don’t immediately bow down and agree with you… what makes Iron Man so good?
I don’t even think you can argue that he’s top 10 or even top 15… so you’re really just thinking he’s in the 16-20 range instead of the 22-26 range people are putting him in. That’s really not that huge a difference because it’s still mid tier.
Regarding the Magneto as anchor argument:
Magneto is great w/ XF3 b/c he’s simply a great character. However, not many more options open to him in XF mode ala wesker gunshot loops or self relaunches… and he loses access to the DHC glitch.
On that team, magneto is the most practical starter of the glitch and wesker/dante is the best ender depending on if you want more meter back or pure damage. Wesker starting the glitch is so much worse than him ending it I wouldn’t even count that.
Also, if your XF3 strat w/ magneto is disruptors and shockwaves, I’ll happily superjump back and block.
If you super jump and block without X-factor he can kill 3 characters still, it’s better to defensively control space and be away from his horizontal plane or unblockable and kill him since he’s already used X-factor and can’t XFC.
Though I agree that X-factor 3 although amazing for Magneto is less needed by him. Like Viper the damage increase doesn’t really help him any since he should already kill you if he touches you and the speed doesn’t open up new options just makes some already available ones easier, whereas other characters like Wesker gaining much easier ways of dealing damage such as gun loop get a dramatically superior boost out of XF3.
What i would really like is Modok in top / god tier, and i’m not a troll. Just saying that Modok is one of the most enjoyable character in MVC 3 especially with colour 4 
Is that really a problem?
Meter neutral or net meter gain TOD> TOD needing a level 3 or needs to use your XF3 time.
Implying Haggar is a good anchor.
MODAM is S tier.
Sexy tier.
renegade what team do you play
Man…I really don’t like when people pull out the top player card for pretty much no reason…I’m pretty sure I stated why he was good…luckily my ride is a little late so I have time so I will even go back and quote it…“hes fast, good damage, good tools, decent health” apparently thats not enough so lets go further into it
“hes fast”
One of the fastest if not the fastest hi/low mixups in the game with his straight up and down jump and then he has the farthest reaching tri jump in the game to my knowledge
“good damage”
He does roughly about 700k everytime he touches you by himself
“good tools”
He has a beam might not be dooms beam but it has its own strengths I assume you could figure that out being all pro and all, smart bombs, repulsar blast which happens to be fucking amazing in this game, instant super (I believe it hits in 3 frames perfect for mashers like I’m sure most people on here are), one of the best assist in the game, a really good level 3 that you can combo off of, fastest fly in the game, hmm do I really need to keep going? because I can…
“good health”
He has like average health I honestly don’t really know I just know hes not storm or akuma
Hmmm I thought my post was enough but hey lets take a second to look at your official counter to my argument and lets break it down shall we? ok here we go =)
“Iron Man’s been “nothing wrong with him” since the game came out. Unfortunately, this is marvel, so if you don’t have a good amount of bullshit, the character is not that good.”
Hmmm this a good one…wait a second it actually doesn’t say anything at all…
“His tri dash is good but not super fast”
…I believe this doesn’t really say much either considering I said “hes fast” and it didnt mean anything of course…but I already went over this earlier in this post so I think I can just skip this
“you have to hit confirm every chain with crouch L’s or you die which ruins damage and sometimes puts you out of range”
Damn…adding another c.L to hit confirm your combo ruins the character definitely I see the light now so so bad what was I thinking
“he has the worst beam hyper in the game, so it’s practically useless for killing assists.
Unibeam is meh on point”
OMG AN ACTUAL VALID POINT I will give you this one
“you constantly wish he had mvc2 smart bombs.”
Ugh…do you even play ironman because I definitely don’t feel that way but hey what would I know
“one of the 5-6 characters that have no part of the DHC trick.”
See this would be a factor if it wasnt for the fact he does so much damage anyway it doesn’t really matter and most marvel 3 teams have that one character that has nothing to do with the DHC glitch this happens to be one of them though a dhc glitch would be nice.
Now that everything has been broken down its pretty clear that you are full of shit for pulling out the bullshit top player card on me when in reality I stated why he was good I just didn’t go into detail. In the end Ironman has so much going for him but his only real draw back is that he is hard and people frankly would rather stick to Wolverine/Wesker/Magneto. I believe Ironman is most likely top 10 but that’s real IM not this garbage “high level” IM that I have seen from all the famous IMs in the US where he gets treated like haggar once he gets on point
and you’ll lose, because I was referring to trying to chip someone out, or keep the life lead while awaiting a time out victory.
On the topic of “Why would magneto EVER be last”
With my team She-Hulk/Modok/Magneto
Why would I have Magneto anywhere but last? If I want to DHC glitch and I really want She-hulk out i’ll do a BNB and use modok’s barrier assist before relaunch, then TACC into my 3rd character Magneto, do any combo ending with a s.C in the corner into hyper grav, magnetic tempest DHC glitch into modok’s command grab super.
That’s assuming I want she-hulk to regain some red life, and sit at the 3rd slot while I risk a TACC for a TOD combo.
Otherwise I’d just She-Hulk AA super into DHC glitch.
My team is very strong, I beat several great players yesterday with them barely making a scratch on my team, including Maximillian, ClakeyD, UPA, Husser_Brian and other big names.
I laugh at anyone who says my team is weak or that Magneto should NEVER be an anchor.