Her combo drops when she tries to do fancy unnecessary stuff, look at my ratio of hit combos in videos versus Marlin Pie’s my average damage off a connection is probably higher since I’m not going for flashy stuff and I’m a low execution player. Her combos will drop less as people get to play her since there’s been no character that plays like her before people are going in with no practice in the current tool set. If that was your logic Magneto was somehow not god tier in MvC2 because in its early life cycle nobody was using him correctly. However it didn’t take long for people like Viscant and others to see that his tools were ridiculous and when people stopped dropping them fighting him would be very difficult.
In casuals I kill someone most of the time I get a clean hit, this just needs to extend to tournaments.
Using the argument that people drop combos that they’ve barely had time to practice making a character bad is not fact based (Marlinpie school related stuff, me lack of console)
Seismic hammer is a broken risk to reward ratio when used correctly, it takes out a lot of inherent risk associated with a move that would function similarly.
If things were based on the current metagame a range of top 2 placements for her at tournaments would change your opinion. Also as for Doom he’s made it to Grand Finals in WNF multiple times, has done well on point. People like Timothy “[AG] High Jester]”, and Ric0 have also made it obvious that Doom is a force to be reckoned with and having access to assists instead of just having him solo increases his validity. You’re claiming your basis about things good on paper bad in results when things have already proven good in results and even better on paper. If getting farther in a tournament than J-Wong and Combofiend is ‘bad on overall results’ then yes, Doom’s bad. From any perspective where results are taken into account Doom is good and more importantly has a lot of room to improve and be even better. Viper’s had results and has infinitely more room to get even better along with things that are theory fighter broken.
I’m starting to think Akuma is better than tasky. Tasky is one of my favs but suffers from no mixup game. akuma is just more mobile good mixups good supers good as a 2nd or anchor. he is fragile but everyone dies in one combo so it doesn’t matter really.
You are absolutely not a low execution player. Maybe compared to Kiyo (Alpha 3 Guy’s best japanese player), Joker (XVSF ex pro) or other freaks like that, but you are between mid and high clearly.
Magneto was never low tier even when people didn’t know how to use him. He just earned God tier because people discovered “the stuffs”.
Yes seismic hammer is imba. But this game has so many imba that in the end the most imba wins
If all that’s stopping a character from blowing shit up is execution…get ready for that character to blow up a lot of shit in the future. X23 still has issues getting in and scaring people from a distance along with having a bit of an execution barrier. Viper’s execution barrier is even higher with a bit worse normals but the trade off is death combos all the time and the ability to kill assists without meter from full screen? Come on now.
Magneto and Eddie didn’t become mid tier because their execution barrier was too high. No…Magneto ran Marvel 2 and Eddie ran every version of Guilty Gear except like…one of them. Yun ran all over 3S too and he’s a heavy link dexterity type also.
Tasky doesn’t need good mixups, if he did, he would be absolutely retarded. Tasky is fine. He actually does have a couple mix up things you can do but people are too goo goo ga ga for combos these days that things like that get ignored.
Still, with Tasky doing 700-800K on BnB’s mixups really aren’t necassary as you should be trying to maximize damage at all times with him.
yo, this is a tier list, execution should never be a factor because your always assuming that the character is being played at the highest level possible.
also arguments involving “If they nerf/buff X and add remove Y than character Z is S+” are also invalid
Disagree because I see good players still dropping combos with Dante and rarely do I see a Wolverine player do the same. Marlin Pie lost a match last night on the break weekly stream because he dropped a combo with Viper.
Besides a tier list assumes 2 players of equal skill, while yes it does mean high level, no the “highest level possible” because no one really knows what that is.
I like that people keep on posting additional tier lists that are essentially the same as my page 1 tier list. This includes me, but I’ve changed some things about it. Top 5 is the same, PHX/Mag/Wesk/Ammy/Dante.
Zero and Wolverine are great, but both can be countered by playing keepaway with top 5, or using Tron/Haggar assists.
I also laugh heartily at people who tier this game as if Dark Phoenix/Phoenix are separate characters. THEY ARE THE SAME CHARACTER, and Phoenix is #1 with a bullet.
I think phoenix is like cable in that she’ll be god tier but have bad match ups vs the rest of the gods… She’ll probably be the line between top tier and high tier…
Renegade,
I think you might want to hold off on zero, buster heavy zero players have been leveling up lately… Proper buster usage could make the character…
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As for execution being a factor, it is… In marvel 2, dhalsim would have been a god too but his execution barrier was his downfall…
yeah I run Taskmaster Haggar and Chris. I throw haggar in on openings or on characters I know he can break easily.
I do feel people are looking too much at his Air pipe when jumping L can hit confirm said pipe, and has marvelous priority. that and his headbutt beating Armored moves for a daze. didnt think about Wesker. we’ll see. but my current team specializes in chip and timeouts.
It’s funny how often I can land Tasky’s regular shield counter.
and yeah as absurdly powerful as he his with xf3, hes a bad anchor unless time is almost up, you have the life lead and youre spamming jump back pipe
Akuma blows up regular Phoenix and arguably IMO goes 5/5 with D.Phoenix especially if he has level 2/3 XF. The fact that regular Phoenix has to rely heavily on slow start up projectiles to amount a safe offensive is just something Akuma could care less about. Plus having only 400 k health means Akuma can do the easiest combo ever after a hit and kill her or force out D.Phoenix.
When it comes to D.Phoenix the threat of his 9 frame beam super and tatsu easily forces D.Phoenix to respect Akuma and any matchup where D.Phoenix can’t just mash on jab is trouble for her. He has 2 supers (shoryu and raging demon) that have more invincibility than her phoenix super as well.
haha wow really?? just because no one plays anakaris and sim and no one is a fuckin robot doesnt make them bad, they are truely broken when played perfectly (but I’ll save this arguement for a different time because this is the mvc3 thread…)
I agree with you in a lot of respects, like your Top 5 etc. However I think Wolverine gives both Tron/Haggar assists some problems compared to Zero. I believe his basic low strings go under both of them, meaning he can punish them in the exact defensive situations they’re called for. There’s a reason why you see Wolverine get so many 2-character-at-once combos in streams.
I’d agree that Wolverine and Zero are pretty similar in their roles otherwise though. Zero has more priority and a better ranged game, Wolverine’s cross-up game is a little better (though Zero’s isn’t bad). They both end the DHC glitch well. They both need assists to get in, and both of their assist selections are average at best. I’d give the edge to Zero overall, but I like them both at that “Just Below Top Tier” spot. Still definitely competitive, too.
Yea, Wolverine is the ultimate buy one get one free character. Whenever he is on the screen I am always scared to press the assist button unless its for combo continuation purposes.
Wolverines has good enough mobility where he isn’t zoned for free either. Sure the top 5 might be able to keep him out but it isn’t extremely easy. I don’t think Wesker really can zone him all that well.
I hate Gepardo. I hate it, I’m shaking my head every friggin time I catch a dive kick or hear him yell UNACCEPTABLE.
funny though how most online players dont know squat about defense but get dat combo every time. I do everything in my power to kill him asap when he’s on
when I do blow him up it’s with Taskmaster though. people just love running into Aim Master H in mid air.
