MvC3 Actual Balance/Potential Tiers Discussion

She deserves buffs.Speed and damage, granted. But I still think she can be useful in certain situations.

Oh shit, that sucks…I forgot that it wouldnt work with pendulum. Hey great find tho man.

viper is broken,I hate her, every1 should ban her /salt

People here do random tiers and theorycrafting and Tier S, A, B, C, and D are interchangeable in their point of views.

Guess you did some mistakes here.

Another 1 million one like Dante.

VIP Lounge for you, Mr. Taskman.

Big leap to Top 5. #5 in specific.

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Smoothviper tier whoring (as usual) : Wolverine / Taskmaster / Sentinel
Almost won the Break Weekly Nr 107 tournament with that team, alias team easy win, against 10stars, who is more skilled.

That should say something about tier placement, so from now on LOL at people arguing tier kthx.

1 Tourney. Let’s see him do that again.

Felicia because of her command throw L and self unblockables.

All 3 of them are mid though.

YouTube - The Break Weekly #106 - GF - 10stars VS Josh Wong ?

so basically hes canon? :rofl:

SmoothViper I mean

Pretty sure I’ve played the majority of the top Dante players and never had a problem with them. Dante has big damage combos, sure- but its getting that first hit in that makes him so weak. Explain to me how Dante is going to get in on his opponent effectively, provided you’re not playing Sentinel.

Dante is strong because of the DHC glitch, he gets the point character to land the first hit easily (magneto or what have you) and then he kills you with his combos, the clear solution being kill that point character and dont get hit by Dante, its not hard.

Ah okay, wasn’t sure. Half the time I don’t even know what Smooth is trying to do, he just goes nuts.

Mag’s zoning, damage, and normals are just as good while being attached to a character with better mobility and better mixups.

Uhhh what? I wouldn’t even comment if I wasn’t getting my head handed to me by skilled Dante players landing easy setups and TOD combos.

Dante on point, with the right assists, is piss easy to get the first hit with him. For example, take Josh Wong/Damian’s team: Dante + Felicia. If you aren’t preemptively jumping to stop the unblockable setup, you’re dead, plain and simple. The Felicia assist hits meaty so you cannot air throw Dante’s aerial teleport approach (unless they mistime it…that’s the only way you can air throw Dante).

Without the assist, Dante can lame it out pretty well until he fishes for a hit. Air Play/Missiles/DT Lightning to chip, Psycho Crusher to run away. st.L and st.M you can kind of just camp and throw it out defensively. If it connects, you kill them. If it doesn’t connect, you’re fine. You’re only going to punish st.M on the start up realistically, but that’s easily avoided by just throwing it mid-range only, when they’re not in your face. Even though it might not seem like much, that’s still a strong strategy that makes landing a hit easy, even if it does take a while.

X-ecutah if you paid attention to break weekly you’d notice that the vast majority of grand finals are Josh Wong against Marlin Pie. >.>

A troll failing to pay attention to a consistent pattern that undermines their “argument”? Say it ain’t so.

His troll oppinions when counteracting my own claimed to be based on results, I’m just pointing out the error with said statement. XD

don’t forget that Dante can effortlessly transition between full screen zoning & nigh-impossible-to-block mixups pretty much any time he wants. He can cover Sentinel assist very easily… he doesn’t run into problems with Sent being kicked off screen like some other chars can. Once those drones are out, Dante is in COMPLETE control. if you can block Dante until the drones are gone, you are gdlk. otherwise, you have to take to superjump height… where Dante is still in control with stuff like his teleport, jam session and missiles.

How to avoid Dante gimmicks:

Super Jump

Wow really this thread was right above… when I posted last week

From my estimation—the best character’s IMO…just a opinion…calm down :coffee: (of course this would be different but I have little knowledge about most of the “other” cast meaning most under-played, but from what I hear from Top players, Tournament results & from personal exp.–> this is my MvsC3 best list)

S+
X Factor LVL 3 “Win or Die by it” any character (except some charcters do not have great comeback or rape potential), this mode makes you think your really good w/quadrupling ur damage output/No guard damage and doubling ur speed in order to give you the “possibility” of creating a comeback if you need too or just FTW… In all honestly X Factor is NEEDED in this game, a MUST… explain some other time on the why?

S- Absolutely must be snapped out
Dark Phnx :rofl: Do I need to explain–> easy mode all the way esp. a X Factor LVL3 Dark Phnx…pass the salt plz :badboy:

A+ Cut above the rest and winning is expected
Zero-His Pressure is ridiculous & advantageous in the right hands as well as his sword priority & hitbox, good start up character & his charge combos are really good & a must learn–why is Zero this good is b/c I hear players complain with a hateful resentment against him :rofl:, he is a mavrick hunter --what do you expect
Akuma :love:- first viewed more as a good asst. character but later players are realizing Akuma can more then take care of himself-- (NO single character Besides Dark Phnx) is better than and more dangerous then in X Fac LVL 3, he can dispatch whole teams easily (hmm maybe Sent. too if you get one good hit), as well as a good asst., Tatsu is too good but don’t spam it, very fast start up on LVL 1 HC, quick character…Akuma is better then Dante only in X Fac. LVL 3 form but I think Akuma is still untapped in this game
Dante- teleporting combo reseting madman!.. and his mix up game is good, highest degree of execution, good range w/his sword, also Dante has 1.5 mill damage combo by him self–out of the whole cast it seemed Capcom had alot of fun crafting Dante in the Marvel world–Houston Texas own Sam much obliged
Don’t know who Sam is —from Houston TX here is a link to a UCC Grand-finals match in Dallas against Toan a known veteran of MvsC2, Sam was coming back from loser’s and No he has never played MvsC2 & he is a 16 yrs old beast at this game–He plays with Dante, Zero, Chris R.
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A- Better then most and can win
Sentinel- without HP nerf this death machine would be dominate, still a really good character and revered–watch his limbs esp. in X factor mode–if you get hit your done, has a good asst., easy mode combos that are devastating
Wolverine- good start up character, fast moving rush down game is very good and damage is excellent as well as great priority with dive kick that is frustrating at times (if Akuma had this priority on regular dive kick yeah he would be higher in tier list)
She Hulk- her ground game and crouch game is really good as well as her rush down game, she controls spacing really well and forces opponent to worry about blocking low alot b/c she slides towards you at times and combo resets are good, good command grab HC & anti air HC, has lots of life
Mags - Very fast air character with triangle jumps can rush down opponent really well and good LVL1 HC true full screen/fast annoying projectile forces opponents to super jump and may get you out of rhythm b/c of it, solid damage combos into reset capabilities & easy LVL 3 HC
Amy “the god dog”- really good hybrid asst./fighter type of character, regular combos into reset seems easy mode and she has very good HC’s/asst. game as well if your skilled with her and use her sword properly she can be viewed higher on tier list
Wesker- Solid character overall but as good & dominate as ur Wesker knowledge is and he has very good damage and good random LVL 1 HC & very good counters I think the only character that offers this kind of defense that creates offense if you have good reactions–untapped character still
Ryu- look up at Chris G’s Ryu, C.Viper-MarlinPie from NYork shows her potential–you might disagree w/her placement

B+ Solid but can they win
TaskMaster- lame design but a all around good character, has good range w/his sword, muti-tasking kind of character w/his offense, hard hitting damage like Wesker, HC from 4 differ. directions if needed, overhead machine
X-23- Don’t know too much about her but I watched 10 stars from New York I think-- play her–I was like damn she is good and her invisible HC is amazing, good closer & very fast, has solid mix up potential
Spencer Bionic Arm! usage seems to be his strong point (of course),** Spider-Man**, Chris Redfield underrated character, Chun-Li, DeadPool,** Morrigan** untapped potential-underused surprisingly

:lame: dept. below but needed good asst. character’s in this type of game–yes I know they can fight too

B- Great assist options/anchors but winning is determine if you do well w/your first two characters??
Tron- Her asst. is easy mode (dont respect that invincible asst. nonsense) and very very good… enough said… oh she does have good damage on her combos and good resets, her annoying “twirling” move has high priority
Storm- traditionally she has always been good in MvsC games, good asst. character and solid keep away/closer w/her HC capabilities, solid air game and she can be lame which will force opponent to super jump or create something which can lead to mistakes
Dorm- Strong character but slow and very good asst. character, he has a very good easy mode LVL 1 HC’s almost full screen & a homing HC, also side note-- save all your meters & he can lame it out with LVL 1 HC’s to chip you to death in situations that are in his favor
Hulk, Haggar known for his Pipe & very good asst., Doctor Doom, Trish a little underrated in my book–keep away genius if she is used correctly

C+ Under-used and not great
Super Skrull, Captain Amer., Iron-Man,** Felicia**, Thor, Viewtiful J.

C- …no comment
Artur, Hsien Ko,** Modok**

I think Ryu should be higher in tier…Chris G’s Ryu proves he is a very good character and under rated for sure

Where does Jill fit in tier list??, I do like her, don’t care too much for Shuma-- In all honesty more of the cast needs to be played to gauge a better who’s best kind of list esp. I think some of the cast is untapped

Anyways had my fun with this----what do you guys think, its good to hear who is better but the why is more important----Some friends of mine are trying to get me to play this game more and more seriously…hmmm well see