No, no its not. Team synergy in marvel games means that your characters on point will work well the assists. In this game you have a better chance of flipping your characters around; if the other two aren’t offering much to help the third, you may have to rethink your team.
Eh…what? Marn has been playing the same team since the start, combofiend is still playing the same time, Justin Wong has been playing the same times. Seriously nobody is switching teams around for the fucking DHC trick; it just so happens that the top tier characters can also do it. Maybe it was Noel Brown who switched from Sent/Dorm/Doom to the awesome DHC trick team of Wolv/Wesker/Akuma. If anything has changed is that more people are playing She Hulk and Wolverine for their easy and effective gimmicks. Maybe at the lower levels people are crying all over the place, but the top characters are still top because of the things they do outside of the glitch.
With that team, Zero can easily deal approximately 800,000 points of damage and more using both assists in one combo. But as a friend of mine pointed out, Akuma is the new Psylocke; putting with whatever 2 first characters and you suddenly have a team.
Yep yep. Its kinda like Tatsu’s team. His team goes from X-23/Sentinel rush down to Deadpool/Sentinel keep away. Can he DHC glitch 6 ways till sunday? Yeah. What is he beating people with? X-23 left-right shenanigans, deadpool keep away and teleport mixups and solid Sentinel play. People are acting like the match starts and you already got hit; fucking nonsence.
DHC is absolutely part of team synergy. As you pointed out, it is not the only part of team synergy and assists are important, but your team is lacking if you design it without thinking about both.
It is not wrong to design a team that you know has poor DHC synergy but it is to ignore DHC completly.
Agreed. The ability to DHC is totally part of team synergy. How can you say that the ability to go from one character hyper to another isn’t a function of your team’s synergy?
I played a Skrull who turned every touch into 800k+ with a DHC into Hulk. That’s part of synergy and it was part of his plan when he made the team
Titanium and Deviljin I whole heartedly agree with your statements about snapping in phoenix. One snapback is ok but making the entire match about getting her in to killing her only helps her team. Viscant mentioned it too earlier on in the thread. Phoenix wins on your mixups unless you have (air lockdown {iron man\dante} assist) and something along the lines of X-23s Dirt Nap to finish her off, Straight up.
Phoenix wins against everyone except Magneto and Dormammu. not much else that can be said about that.
When fighting a phoenix team, I feel its better to just kill off the rest of the team and GET A LEAD on her when she comes in. I think this was another one that Viscant mentioned about it. If the Phoenix team gets DPh and still has say Wesker and (insert beam\projectile assist here) still alive but maybe not at full health, more than likely you’re gonna lose enough said because you still have to fight through those 2 characters to fight dark phoenix.
If DPh has to work through 3 characters you can more than likely get her to take a couple of bad swings and kill her off of that if you can catch those bad swings and or have Dorm\Magneto\Task\or Wesker then you "should be ok"
also… The corners are your friend against phoenix, she can’t mix you up there as well (takes away left and right from her, so you just need to guess high and low.)
meh, just my 2 cents about her
My girlfriend’s team is Thor, Hulk and Amaterasu. Thor/ Hulk DHC deals that much; unfortunately that team has all the synergy of wet ham and the assist that Thor gets to have on point don’t really help him land that first hit to pull off the DHC. If I’m playing a team to do a dumbass DHC, there are better characters to force into that gimmick; although in this game everything kinda DHC’s into everything so its kind of a moot point.
In the great scheme of things, all you really need for a team are safe ways to DHC a character out of danger. Having an assist that helps the point and secondary characters is significantly more important than your ability to go from one super to the other. If your brain can’t process that, then you should stick to 1v1 games.
DHCing is exactly what everyone says ITS A PART not the whole thing ppl i think are gettin so caught up in the dhc and the glitch that they forget about how well everything else works for there team like assist supporting point charecter, mixups, combo extenders, unblockables (yes this is a PART of team synergy) and i could go on, im not tryna start a war but go look at all the best mvc2 teams the ALL did this from msp to team MIKE Z
I’m convinced no one has actually sat down and played phoenix. She beats has the game for free. I would argue that Dante and perhaps mags with level 3 are the only people that she has trouble against. Dorm without 3 levels of destruction is not that threatening. You can M teleport his shit on reactin and punish. She utterly destroys characters that are melee as well. Playing her on point also negates you from ever having to deal with random mixups from being snapped in. If you can take out a character of theirs playing phoenix on point you pretty much won the match anyway. People also can’t really rage since yeah, I gave them a chance to kill her and they get blown up.
Dante is not the best in the game but he is top 3 and will probably be top in a few months. He is viper potential but actually execution.
Yeah shes pretty godlike. I see so many people who obviously do not know how to play the character on a level above s.jump h fireballX100 and then they pop DP and just mash shit. When that doesn’t work they are lost. Its really sad to watch such a great character reduced to such scrub tactics. you get hit in this game and lose a character anyway I wonder why more people don’t play her on point considering the great matchups she has against popular characters like wolverine, she hulk and zero. They can’t touch her realistically.
There’s a saying in motorcycle riding that I think applies here. Some guys think they won’t fall, others know they will.
You are bound to get hit when using phoenix, and just one combo string ends her life. You are, and will get hit, and thats why she can’t be used on point. Best to charge the meter and get her into dark phoenix.
This has got to be the most trollinest comments I’ve ever heard. Why would it ever be a good Idea to run point PHX (see exception below)? shit shes at a disadvantage in multiple ways already, why make it worse? The freeze time before the match give the other player the opportunity to kill her INSTANTLY.
I’ll say this, If you run Phoenix on point with 2 anchors and you DONT care about Dark Phoenix, go for it. If you feel your two anchors work SO well together and you are comfortable with them, It may be in your favor to play the guessing game and see if you can take out their point.
this game has so much left to be discovered, I feel Hsien is gonna make a huge comeback when some tech is found out months in the future… call it a hunch.
I’m not sure how your girlfriend’s team proves your point. Her team has Thor and Hulk on it, so of course it’s going to be bad.
I agree that a team’s DHC potential is not more important than it’s overall synergy. Still, I think that having team synergy AND solid DHC potential is important. It isn’t like we’re talking mutually exclusive stuff here. Being able to DHC from one character to another is can be useful for many situations. Of course, on Phoenix teams it wouldn’t mean anything.
I just think that a team with poor DHC capabilities is a not quite an optimal team.
I think it takes 15 sec for her to bleed out before any chip will kill her. And it takes ruffly around the same amount of time for her to kill off 3 characters XFC lvl 3. And there lays the problem.
Xfactor bonus for dph should be much lower than what it is for everyone else.
In the long run I don’t think she’s S tier because she’s to inconsistent. She reminds me of Zappa from GG in alot of ways.
Why start Phoenix on point when you can put her in the back and your opponent will waste a bar and a combo snapping her in for you? I guess if they have good mix ups on entry you might lose her right then, but a well-timed Phoenix Rage will probably catch an assist and point character for most of those.
Don’t know yet what Thor and Hulk can do together aside from the crazy DHC damage. But based on the premises set up that DHC is somehow this magic wank nut that is vital to the team is rediculous. The way everything is in this game, you’d really have to go out of your way to be unable to DHC into stuff. Because of that people need to remember that more important than being able to DHC for damage is being able to DHC for safety.
