MvC3 Actual Balance/Potential Tiers Discussion

Agreed, especially when it’s nothing but cross-up madness online, where I’m too slow to block on reaction.

The spidey swings are to counter the pushblock and get back in instead of dealing with the lag on the sH or sM recovery or getting pushbacked even more if you cancel into arrows.

What is this gameplan to opening up a character when Tasky is alone? It just seems like all he has is arrows in hopes to annoy them because it seems like pushblock and upback are very effective to stopping it all (true for a lot of characters though). I play Task in 1st and 2nd slot typically.

figured out that a full charge air play from dante will eat a disruptah, so one less thing he has against me. :slight_smile:

Can I play too?

(no order within tiers)

A+
Magneto, Amaterasu, Phoenix

A
Wolverine, Akuma, Taskmaster, Dante, Wesker, Storm

A-
Sentinel

B+
Chun-li, Doom, Dormammu, Zero, Tron, She-Hulk, Iron Man, Trish, Spencer

B
Arthur, Hulk, Morrigan, Spidey, Joe, X-23, Deadpool

B-
Cap Am, Ryu, Skrull, Haggar

C
Thor, Hsien-Ko

??? (I have no idea what these chars are really capable of, insufficient xp)
MODOK, Shuma, Jill, Viper, Joe, Chris, Felicia

It’s good, not great. The hitbox is a good distance away from Chris’ body, so if someone is jumping in all they need to know is the correct angle. I love it though, great damage and crazy chip for a normal.

People have to realize to that we are at a very innovative stage in this game. Shit that seems Godlike right now may get figured out down the road and not be nearly as effective. Once people actually start trying to figure out other matchups OTHER than Sentinel and Phoenix is when I think we will really start to get a clearer picture of things. Not to say stuff right now is way off or anything though.

  1. you must be either trolling or nuts to think sentinel sucks. why does he need more mixups when everything he does hurts? or the fact that he can keep opponent out for days and punishing them hard for it.

  2. the two best players dont use sentinel because they chose not to. using him is not an automatic win.

  3. real sentinel players will come up with new shit if they havent already. its just most of the shitty sentinel players only use him because hes overpowered or because of his assist.

Don’t underestimate chip damage. You’ll usually have a bunch of meter to burn (especially if they are just going to block the entire time) and he can do it. Unless your team is stacked with remaining health, it is a serious threat. When someone does nearly double damage (and I assume double chip) with a notable speed boost, just blocking isn’t always enough.

But yes other characters do have more options, and I don’t think Tasky is a particularly great anchor either. However, it is not as if basic gameplay options like cross-ups, jump-ins, throws, and other tactics are suddenly ineffective. It’s not as if fighting games are unplayable if they are one on one. And also calling assists risks them to damage ultimately being counter-productive to defensive play, so it does to an extent boil down to a one on one fight with the X-Factored character having the advantage (but likely being behind).

Didn’t say he sucks.

I stand by everything I say, though.

The whole “2 best players don’t use Sentinel” is such a horrible argument

Especially when the two best players seemed to have built their teams specifically to blow past the crowd of Sentinel users. It’s smart metagaming on their parts.

Good god. You people. If you think sentinel is absolutely #1 in this game, you freaking suck at it.

Sentinel does not belong in the top tier.
He loses to Dog and Phoenix for free. 8-2 or 9-1 easily. teleporter rushdown with some good assists will also take him to the cleaners. Those matchups do not a top tier character make.

He has a hard time against anyone who can outzone him (either in the air far away or beating spit) or just simply push block and runaway. I wait out level 3 XF sentinel for free now with any decent character. Super jump, push block, block low, don’t get cornered. GG.

What’s great about Sent is what he brings to the team dynamic. DHC tricks, Cross Counter Hard Drive, drones, etc. He does damage, has great assist punishing supers, and has high priority on his moves.

He’s just simply better off the screen than he is on.

Combo and Justin didn’t build their teams to kill sentinel, they learned how to kill sentinel with their teams. Big difference.

But in the end, I’m just arguing about “Top Tier” vs “Not quite so top”

Sentinel isn’t free or anything, he’s just SF4 zangief. You have to play different and always respect him.

Ok, other things.

Deviljin:
why did you split the tiers into marvel and capcom sides? There is no reason to separate them.

She Hulk isn’t top tier. She’s really good when she gets in and gets on a roll, but justin does way too much work with Dog+Tron for me to think Shulkie is godlike. And I think combo does way more work with Shulk as a low assist w/ Task and Spencer than her on point.

Zero is good but not on the same level as Dog. Zero’s rushdown is air based and can expose him to lots of random attacks into death (see Marn vs Combo).

Dog Controls the ground and doesn’t really need to put herself in danger.

BTW: re: wesker. Why would he need frame advantage on his normals when his launcher is -1 and he can cancel any move or gunshot into teleport? It’s not like wesker’s ever getting punished for blocked strings.

I may be biased, but I think my list still stands.
In “new technology but theory fighter land” Cap may have stuff to gain from the infinite and sentinels may get much more threatening w/ the Human Datapault DHC, but haven’t seen that yet.
Viper and IronMan are the characters that everyone “thinks” should be good, but all they do is get bodied. We’ll see.

There’s some other things I disagree with, like not having Haggar dead fucking last, and lumping morrigan, chun, and felicia with veiwtiful joe, ryu, HsienKo, and Viper.

Storm is much better than doom.

Just feels like Sent has alot of dominating matchups but several shitty ones. The comparison to SF4 Zangief feels pretty accurate.

You are biased. Your comment while informative have the makings of “Im right and if you don’t think so you are an idiot or suck”. So far you have posted a lot of good shit but this is discussion and you need to keep an open mind and not just shutting down everyones opinion. Just because you have a strong opinion doesn’t make yours right whatsoever but you come off like it is the only one that should count.

Add your input and create constructive arguments without coming off as some elitist champ.

I’m not some elitist champ.

I’m just sick of 15 pages of QQ ing over sentinel when he continually gets bodied by top players and very good strategies for beating him are staring everyone in the face. SRK is spoon feeding this stuff to everyone.

If I hadn’t seen the exact same thing happen with Vanilla Gief and scrubs whining about lariat being OP, I might have more patience.

You know what ended up beating Gief in that game? Standing Heavy Kick from like 40% of the cast. DP/FADC. End of Story.

People just like to press a lot of buttons in Marvel. Sentinel beats that shit free.

The only reason i split up the characters is because its not really a serious tier list since the game is only a month long. It’s more just a who i like the best of both sides list. I really dont give a fuck either way because everyone in this game is fucked up. LOL.

I only really mentioned the disadvantages to Wesker to show that his offensive game doesn’t really work the same as most other characters. You can’t just block string all day with Wesker or you’ll lose momentum (especially without a rapid fire c.L). You have to be a bit more crafty. His launcher is only neg one on block but I dont think its smart to do because its not cancellable and unless u counter hit someone with it and it hits you push yourself away from the opponent for no reason and have to wait for the recovery. Wesker can’t afford time wasted like that when people pretty much all play a runaway game vs. him any way due to the power of his shot/teleport/wave dash throw game if u stay in one place too long. Smart players know to keep moving vs. Wesker so its harder for him to set up teleport tricks. He has much more solid shit than mash S any way.

I still agree that Doom is much better than people think and its only a matter of time before his true on point potential comes about.

I play wesker/Tron. I mash S all day, and drop tron in the gap then see what they do. So cheap.

Everything about this game is cheap that is why it is so fucking awesome

I wish Steve was cheap…er.

But its really the opposite, all the people who are stating he is in the highest rated spot are not crying about him at all, in fact the people who are so adamant about his placing seem to be ones that think he is “so free” to character x. Im sorry but the facts are that he has; Flight/dj/fast dash/armor pokes/mid range pokes/long range pokes/100% combo’s/best xf bennifit/ great dhc/great utility supers/alpha counter in hard drive/cmd grab + combable after normal grabs…etc
How can you argue that he is nothing but upper rung when nobody but dante comes close to that arsenal?