i like character with fewer moves set.
tornado claw is ASS haha lol i got tears of laughter in my eyes. wolverine aggressive voice tornado claw
I was about to post my tier list, but Renegade’s list is almost the same as mine. I just disagree about Chun Li (I would put her in “Lower Mid Tier”) and Skrull (I would put him in “Mid Tier”).
I mean, how many moves can you really give a character like Ryu? Even giving him that kick thing was a stretch. At least it makes sense for Dante to have that many moves since he’s that versatile in his own game.
Is Renegade’s list trolling? I can’t tell.
No I don’t think so. His list is pretty accurate IMO.
Have you never played 3s?
Looks like he might go up to Stupid Dumb Tier. That shit’s Cable status.
Thats fucking insane, and not that difficult to do either :sad:
Not disagreeing with it completely, but the explanations are pretty bad.
Especially things that are are patently wrong like MODOK being slow.
Half the explanations are outright jokes.
Trish is 9 and Tasky is 10. Not a huge difference. Trish can just lame out the dangerous characters like she hulk and wolverine much, much better than Tasky.
And a 2 bar 1 million combo isn’t something to put you in top tier in the age of DHC tricks. Tron can do it too.
So out of curiosity, why does S tier need to be 5 characters? I feel there’s a decently large S tier in this game actually. Which is good. People seem kinda set on top 5 but in reality it’s closer to top 8 or top 10 IMO.
Also on Zero needing to rush, I mean… he does have the tools to zone, and considering the hitboxes on his attacks and his mobility, he’s not getting zoned out that easy. If he has level 3 buster, you can’t push buttons without the risk of getting comboed from full screen. I don’t see him even really wanting to zone anyone out anyway. Why bother when you could just out-prioritize everything they do in close / medium range? The only time he doesn’t want to just balls to the wall rush is when they have haggar and tron but then he just has to play more cautious and selectively rush, he still has the same gameplan then though.
Destin from Mamation’s comp: I like renegades list. I would put Iron man at mid tier, his rushdown has alot of potential I haven’t seen people using yet.
Well I see those particular top 5 characters as a bit above the next group of top characters. They don’t really have many bad matchups and do well on almost any team. The next group are really, really good, but seem to be paired with certain assists/partners often in order to be successful.
Any character needs the ability to zone when faced with characters like She Hulk, Haggar, Tron, or even Skrull. It also really helps against a popped level 3 XF.
Zero’s zoning ability is pretty good, with busters, but he needs meter to give it teeth with double busters/waves, and lvl 3. It’s just not really on par w/ Wesker or Magneto, let alone Trish/Phoenix/Storm.
That being said, if zero’s got 3 meters and XF against Tron or something, you’re dead.
I think I’ll put up my personal list as well…
S(completely self sufficient with very minute if any flaws)
Phoenix-The reports of phoenix being a terrible point character is wrong. As long as you don’t get hit your fine, and which the emergence of so many TOD’s its turning that way for everyone. Add in dark phoenix and its hard to dispute her here.
Wesker-Great health, frame traps, resets, range. This character is damn near perfect. has a full screen anti air, 1 frame command grab, and the best otg in the game. Wherever he is at on a team fits.
Dante-Has an answer for everything, and his ceiling is far from being reached. Everyday new insane shit is being discovered. He can rush, zone, and control space better than anyone.
Magneto-Trying to block him is an exercise in futility, and couple with his TOD ability his spot is cemented here. Nevermind the fact he has absolutely braindead zoning that beats mosts chars that are designed to zone. His grab is also great.
Task-Very safe char that can be played many ways. Insane damage for low effort.
A(great but minor flaws holding game back)
Ammy-I would say task and Ammy are interchangable, both in roles and tier placement. Each has an answer for most situations. I give Task the nod since his damage is much better. The bitch has more of an offensive tinge to her game imo.
Wolverine-Trying to defend wolverine is pretty much guessing. Its that simple. Safe 50/50’s that lead to 700k and a learning curve that literally takes a couple of hours. People try to downplay wolverine since he has no forseeable new tech, but he is far away the best at what he does. RTSD.
Zero-Zero’s game is becoming very rounded. He can zone pretty well but his forte is abusing his ridiculous normals. He also does great damage and has the most powerful projectile in the game.
Dorm-Best Zoner in the game, and also phoenix worst matchup. Him with lvl 3 xfactor as anchor is silly. he can easily take a character from full to half health before they even touch the ground. Has all the tools necessary to halt rushdown, but he requires a degree of planning as well.
Trish-This is probably my most oddball selection but I believe trish is fucking great. A cancellable dive kick, great zoning game and can play seamless rush and keepaway. Now she can also do the DHC trick. Whats really holding her back is her absolutely terrible matchups against mags and dante.
Storm- Her and Trish are interchangable imo. She does have full screen punish that can lead to 700k plus with e.rage. her buttons leave a lot to be desired though, with the exception of her special and j.C. Her instant overhead is a great tool as well. If storm gets close you are taking damage.
Sentinel-The robot is still a great character. His j.B is an awesome tool, leading to at least 650-850k on hit. Couple iwth the right team he is a wall. His health is a misnomer though, as it decreases his overall effectiveness as an assist.
She-Hulk- Reset queen. Her airgrab game is very good leading to 500k anywhere. also has one fo the best command grabs in the game. She can get lamed out pretty easily however.
B(Good characters but migh need support)
Akuma-This dudes damage is absolutely retarded for how many tools he has. Great assist and also one of the best anchors in the game.
C.Viper-I keep hearing about how godlike viper is, and I don’t contest it, but I want to see some of it. Yes she has more potential than probably anyone but we have yet to see it. Still her toolset is immaculate. If her normals were better she would definetly be A tier or higher.
Tron-By far the best assist in the game. She is also not helpless on point but can be lamed out rather easily. She is at least this high because of the flame which is retardedly good in this engine.
X-23- I don’t see why her and wolverine are always compared. Their offenses are almost completely different. She has better aerial mobility but wolverine does everything better, and it is a lot simpler and safer. Still she can start the DHC trick and builds nice meter getting into it.Her left right mixup is also pretty good.
Spiderman- Don’t know enough but with his rushdown toolset he can’t be any lower.
Spencer-Nice normals, I don’t agree with him being that great of an anchor though. His mobility is nice but he can become predictable. You can literally jab him out of his line offense at times.
Ryu- Best Beam hyper in the game and his air l.tatsu has great properties. Not the flashiest character but he can do work in the right team.
Dr.Doom- the best assortment of assists int eh game but no one has been able to make him really fearsome on point. yes he does great damage, but landing that hit is difficult as at the moment his entire offense in pretty telegraphed.
Chris- Second best zoner, not as good as dorm for the simple fact that his air control is ass. with an anti air assist it is remedied a bit but he also has terrible hypers. A great battery either way.
C(Seriously lacking tools)
Chun-Li-Her assist was in vogue for about a week, now she has vanished. She seems to have pretty good tools for being a pixie but her damage is subpar and she can’t get in on quite a few of the cast at all.
Deadpool-Terrible normals, decent zoning game. He might have more in store for him but I’m not too sold on him right now.
Felicia-She will go up, I’m sure of it. She has too many really nice nuances in her game to stay down here. If she could get in easier I would have put her in B right now. Her command grab game is bananas when she can get into it.
Morrigan-Does absolutely no damage and has a rather obtuse way of rushdown as well. Astral Vision will probably be her saving grace if she is to move up
Haggar- Terrible on Point but great assist.
Iron Man-Just learn mags. He literally does everything better. IM requires almost just frame execution and range to pull off any sort of real damage. His normals are pretty terrible.
Hulk- Not that scary but he has some frame trap trickery.
V.Joe-He has potential, can’t really speak on him haven’t seen too many.
Modok-Decent
Super Skrull-Pretty bad all around but he does have a strong reset game and gimmicks.
Jill-She needs more time.
D(why are you in this game?)
Arthur-Fucking terrible. Half the game does his job better than he ever could.
Thor- Too slow to mount any type of threat really.
Hsien Ko-Just ass, pure unadulterated ass. I’m curious what capcoms plan for her was she can’t do anything that well except be a glorified assist.
Thor is no where near bottom tier. I feel like we’re moving back to page 20 or some shit.
Alright first Deadpools normals are far from terrible. His standing A/L is hella quick and a great anti air that also leads into combos. His foward M is a good overhead that people just cant seem to block. His Slide has great range and is completly safe if you cancel into shurikens/pineapples. On that topic, he doesnt have just “decent” zoning. His jump back m guns are hella annoying, safe, and fast. Standing l or m guns are great, hitconfirmable, pineapples are great traps to keep the foe in place for more bullets and getting him out of stick situations, and this is all WITHOUT an assist. People praise magneto with his disrupter and beam assist, Deadpool can get around that alone. Give him his own beam assist and a tron gtfo assist and he’ll get a time over if he wants.
Finally his gun hyper is so versatile, its like Hyper Viper Beam but u gotta DHC to get dat damage. His cuttin time sets up DHC glitch. Hes a great solid character.
Probably pretty telling that Cap isn’t even on the tier list
My poor point character
Oh also yeah Morrigan does crap damage etc. but flight cancel soul fist is great zoning especially in astral vision, and her as an anchor with xf lvl3 astral vision is just stupid.